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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: gamed121683 on October 20, 2007, 03:33:15 PM
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This might be worth checking out. Here's an opinion article about Drew Carey's 1st week on "The Price Is Right". Check out the link below:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/blog/2007/10/...n-4-oct-23.html (http://\"http://www.sitcomsonline.com/blog/2007/10/mini-dvd-review-ncis-season-4-oct-23.html\")
Then scroll down until you find "Solomon's Weekly Rant".
Feel free to discuss, however I feel this has all ready been done to death already.
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Then why did you post it?
We should start a "Barker Fanb0i Of Teh Week" feature.
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Favorite quote of the entire rant:
Such as when one of the contestants spun the wheel on her first try, the arrow landed on 50 and Drew asked her did she want to spin again? Why wouldn't she want to spin again if the chances of someone beating 50 is over 50%?
Nice to know he's calling out the rules of the game...even when Barker was hosting.
...and I prefer a "Barker fanboi Hall of Fame". :)
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As usual, my question is twofold:
1) does this guy post here, and
2) would I be surprised at who he was if he does?
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I do read that site, and I can tell you that "Solomon's Weekly Rants" always lack that certain je ne sais what the frickin' point of that was.
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As usual, my question is twofold:
1) does this guy post here,
Nope. Which is *definitely* a good thing for everyone involved. That said, the hapless shill charming and witty writer extolling the virtues of NCIS Season 4 at the top of the article most definitely posts here. :-)
2) would I be surprised at who he was if he does?
If he posted here, it'd be very evidently clear who he was.
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I do read that site, and I can tell you that "Solomon's Weekly Rants" always lack that certain je ne sais what the frickin' point of that was.
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One or two of them were mildly coherent, but otherwise that summarizes pretty much every last frickin one of 'em.
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For the life of me, I just DO NOT understand why we actually run these weekly babbles rants. Most people, outside the original poster's supporters on the site's forums, find the rant unreadable. But the couple of times the matter of continuing to allow the rants have come up, I've been outvoted on the matter.
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Solomon's got a major, major ego issue. That's the nicest thing I can say about him. My opinion on him is really not all that high, as you can imagine.
He also has no idea what he's talking about. He complained about the contestants wanting to do a shot-out to their parents and friends during the Showcase Showdown, thinking it was a new thing Drew allowed the contestants to do.
Let's just say that it didn't help that he tried doing a trade with me where he tried to send one episode of a show in exchange for two episodes.
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You know, I've seen a LOT of similar comments elsewhere, especially on Facebook. It's amazing how many people are basically making Drew the Antichrist and saying that TPIR is the worst it's ever been now simply because Drew's hosting and not Bob. Only 1 group was actually devoted to praising Drew's work as host of TPIR; the rest (I think there were about 6 or 7) were all, in some way or another, saying he's "all wrong" for the show, basically without any credible evidence besides some form of "He's not Bob" or "I don't like his comedy." One even said something along the lines of, "He's so bad, do you notice that none of the female contestants want to kiss him?" Sigh...
What made me LMAO, though, were some of the suggestions they had for new hosts. While a few were sensible (one suggested John O'Hurley), most were just plain illogical, IMO (one suggested John Freakin' Stamos, and another said that they should've picked Mario Lopez, simply because he was "hot").
So, I'm curious, since none of my friends watch game shows: What do your non-game-show-loving friends think of Drew hosting?
Anthony
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'167448\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 05:30 PM\'] Let's just say that it didn't help that he tried doing a trade with me where he tried to send one episode of a show in exchange for two episodes. [/quote]
This is a man who threw a fit when, after "forgetting" to pay an eBay seller for quite some time, finally does pay him, but then throws a completely unbridled and unrestrained shitfit when the seller tells him he's away and can't ship until he gets back.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'167450\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 05:35 PM\'] [quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'167448\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 05:30 PM\'] Let's just say that it didn't help that he tried doing a trade with me where he tried to send one episode of a show in exchange for two episodes. [/quote]
This is a man who threw a fit when, after "forgetting" to pay an eBay seller for quite some time, finally does pay him, but then throws a completely unbridled and unrestrained shitfit when the seller tells him he's away and can't ship until he gets back.
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Oh yes, I saw that. My friend IM'ed me and was like "Can you believe this crap?". What amused me the most was that he was complaining about how no one was defending him, just because they were his friends. How is he so popular over there?
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'167451\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 05:42 PM\'] How is he so popular over there? [/quote]\
Some sort of twisted cult of personality effect? I really don't know.
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For those interested, Brain Damage did a fantastic rip of his post over at the SitcomsOnline forums: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=211796 (http://\"http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=211796\")
The guy's got an ego problem, no doubt about it. And he also sends you very rude e-mails, and just flat out acts like an elitist on the boards themselves (Insulting members who disagree with his opinion.) Makes me glad other boards I go to are much better moderated (No offense, Seth.)
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[quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' post=\'167449\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 02:33 PM\']
One even said something along the lines of, "He's so bad, do you notice that none of the female contestants want to kiss him?" Sigh...[/quote]
You mean, other than pretty much every female contestant, who snuggles up to him like the big teddy bear he is?
(Insulting members who disagree with his opinion.)
You mean that's wrong? :D
/and a bunch of heads just asploded
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'167458\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 06:53 PM\']
You mean that's wrong? :D
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Well, atleast you do it in a humorous way. :-). He quotes a whole post and goes "Why dont you get a girlfriend"...
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[quote name=\'beatlefreak84\' post=\'167449\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 05:33 PM\']
You know, I've seen a LOT of similar comments elsewhere, especially on Facebook.
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OBFacebook: There is a group called "Family Feud was better with Al Boreland."
Excuse me while I vomit.
So, I'm curious, since none of my friends watch game shows: What do your non-game-show-loving friends think of Drew hosting?
Anthony
Exact quote from one: "I don't watch the Price is Right."
Exact quote from an ex: "What's The Price is Right?"
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'167448\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 05:30 PM\']
Solomon's got a major, major ego issue. That's the nicest thing I can say about him. My opinion on him is really not all that high, as you can imagine.
He also has no idea what he's talking about. He complained about the contestants wanting to do a shot-out to their parents and friends during the Showcase Showdown, thinking it was a new thing Drew allowed the contestants to do.
Let's just say that it didn't help that he tried doing a trade with me where he tried to send one episode of a show in exchange for two episodes.
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I wonder if this Solomon guy was watching the correct show. I don't believe Drew was ill at ease at all. I don't believe he stumbled in explaining rules at all and I've watched every single show this week for the first time in quite a few years. He's not Barker and he's not supposed to be. This Solomon guy needs to lay off the crack, as fun as it may be to smoke it...but I wouldn't know. Everyone's entitle to their opinion, but I don't think he has a clue.
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I'm still trying to get past the part where he insulted Drew because he correctly asked a Showcase Showdown contestant if he wanted to spin again on 50.
The dude is clearly brainless.
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[quote name=\'PYLW\' post=\'167460\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 04:04 PM\']
He quotes a whole post and goes "Why dont you get a girlfriend"...
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"I did. Your now-ex says hi."
/some people make it too easy
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'167447\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 05:28 PM\']
If he posted here, it'd be very evidently clear who he was.[/quote]
Not sure how much time he would have to post here; in order to keep his post count at 26.72 posts per day for a total of 50,509 posts in a little over 5 years.
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And here I always chuckle at Gavazzi's count... ;-)
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'167486\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 10:08 PM\']
And here I always chuckle at Gavazzi's count... ;-)
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Corrected.
/Don't hurt me!
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'167462\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 07:33 PM\']OBFacebook: There is a group called "Family Feud was better with Al Boreland."[/quote]
"That's what's known as a Freudian slip, Tim."
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I've also noticed a large number of Facebook groups which protested the consideration of Rosie O'Donnell for the job on TPiR...most of them dried up after DC was officially confirmed, and they don't seem to have a prob w/him taking over the show! LOL
There's also a group there called "Richard Dawson was the only good host of FF"...interestingly enough, it has only 2 members, no wall/forum activity, etc, though it's better than another "FF, bring back Richard Karn" group, which has only 1 member. :-D
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'167436\' date=\'Oct 20 2007, 12:41 PM\']
Then why did you post it?
We should start a "Barker Fanb0i Of Teh Week" feature.
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Why did you needlessly challenge this user? I haven't read this article and I'm glad he posted the link. You'd better have a pretty damn good reason lest I put you in cold storage for a spell.
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I'd like to raise another issue:
Keep in mind, I haven't seen a full episode of TPIR's new season yet, and I will keep an open mind...but why is it that anyone who's posted anything critical of Drew's hosting ability is instantly labeled as a fanb0i? I mean, honestly: there ARE people who aren't going to like Drew Carey's hosting ability, but does that automatically qualify them as being fanb0i-ish?
A lot of us here like him. Does that mean the majority of the show's viewers are going to? Not necessarily. If they don't, that's their opinion. You can disagree, but instantly going to the fanb0i label is not only misguided, it's downright idiotic.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'167563\' date=\'Oct 21 2007, 10:57 PM\']
Why did you needlessly challenge this user?
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He said HIMSELF that this has been done to death and that he doesn't think it should be discussed ad nauseum. So I asked him why he started a thread that was designed to do exactly that. That's all, no more. I think it's a completely reasonable question. (Which, I'll point out, and to no surprise on my part, he never answered.)
Did you have a bad weekend?
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I really couldn't care less about this Solomon fellow's opinions, and frankly am rarely swayed by any single review. I also don't understand how Sitcoms Online works. Is Solomon a featured reviewer, or can anybody post their thoughts? Because if it's the former, then he reflects badly on the entire operation. His stuff, beyond being ill-informed, just isn't very interesting or well-written. And the more he tries to defend himself on that message board thread, the more obvious it is that he has no business being a writer. (Rule of thumb for a writer trying to be funny: Don't use "LOL".) And if it's the latter, then there are eight pages of people getting worked up over nothing on the message board.
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Seeing as from what I gleaned from that thread, I saw several references to "giving him a weekly piece / column / whatever," I'm forced to think that this position is an appointed one.
Which, yes, tells you an awful lot about the management of that board.
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He said HIMSELF that this has been done to death and that he doesn't think it should be discussed ad nauseum. So I asked him why he started a thread that was designed to do exactly that.
This is the first time we've discussed this Solomon guy's review on this board. Case closed.
Did you have a bad weekend?
Are you hoping I did? Actually I had a great weekend. On Saturday I got together with a couple of members of this board and we had dinner together. On Sunday the Santa Anas came up. It got quite warm and my A/C thermostat is on the fritz, but to compensate I lucked into some obscure code which makes my current project great.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'167600\' date=\'Oct 22 2007, 12:06 PM\']
This is the first time we've discussed this Solomon guy's review on this board. Case closed.[/quote]
Absolutely, and I found the eventual discussion that ensued to be most worthwhile as well. And none of that is in any way pertinent to my original comment or your ensuing threat.
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'167600\' date=\'Oct 22 2007, 12:06 PM\']
Are you hoping I did?[/quote]
Not in the least.
Actually I had a great weekend. On Saturday I got together with a couple of members of this board and we had dinner together. On Sunday the Santa Anas came up. It got quite warm and my A/C thermostat is on the fritz, but to compensate I lucked into some obscure code which makes my current project great.
Good. Glad to hear it. Mine was pretty good, too. Consisted mostly of playing Portal.
/the cake is a lie
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'167564\' date=\'Oct 22 2007, 02:03 AM\']
A lot of us here like him. Does that mean the majority of the show's viewers are going to? Not necessarily. If they don't, that's their opinion. You can disagree, but instantly going to the fanb0i label is not only misguided, it's downright idiotic.
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I would like to disagree. There's a fine line between the two, and it can be crossed.
- Being critical of Drew's performance is alright (him always touching his jacket pocket, not being 100% clear to the contestants on rules, his reveals, etc) because it's little things that can be worked on, and, damnit, it's his bits of his first six weeks on the job after a legend.
- It's when you get into the "Well Bob Barker isn't on the show anymore so I won't watch" or "Bob did things this way or that way and Drew doesn't do it that way so it's wrong" or "Drew is the WORST person they could have hired" is utter idiotic and should be slapped with either idiot or Barker fanb0i.
And to Clementson: You're in SoCal, right? I'd assume you are away from the fires?
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'167564\' date=\'Oct 22 2007, 02:03 AM\']
A lot of us here like him. Does that mean the majority of the show's viewers are going to? Not necessarily. If they don't, that's their opinion. You can disagree, but instantly going to the fanb0i label is not only misguided, it's downright idiotic.
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Would it be idiotic to call anyone who doesn't like Drew's hosting a "fanb0i"? Absolutely. But that's not even close to what's happening, and you know it.
Is there a clearly defined process by which any post can be analyzed and thus judged "Fanb0i or Not Fanb0i"? (Now there's a game show concept.) Of course not. But a good rule of thumb is that the more hyperbolic the rhetoric, and the less concrete evidence used to justify said rhetoric, the closer to "fanb0i" the commenter gets. This guy is treating the transition from Bob to Drew as just short of a crime against nature and is basing his opinion on... well, absolutely nothing concrete.
I have yet to see a well-reasoned "I don't think Drew is doing well as host because..." post. Given what routinely passes for Price debate nowadays ("Drew will use filthy language on air just as he does in standup," "Bob was like my second father," and so on and so forth) — and more importantly, the fact that most reasonable people will give Drew a reasonable chance before making that conclusion in the first place — I'm thinking that it will take some time before we see one.
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Maybe there isn't a reasonable argument yet.
But the ONE post I saw that was critical of Drew had the person instantly labeled as a fanb0i. Whether the person (bellbm) can actually be called one, I don't know. But I know that others would jump down any critical person of Drew's throat and call them a fanboy (that's how it's spelled, I'm sick of the Avril Lavigne-style abbreviation), and I don't think that's fair.
Maybe there are others who are critical, and they don't want to post out of fear of being labeled fanboyish.
(And just for the record, still have yet to see a Drew episode, so I have no opinion yet. No TiVo, DVR, DVD recorder, or working VCR, don't go there.)
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'167616\' date=\'Oct 22 2007, 05:02 PM\']
(And just for the record, still have yet to see a Drew episode, so I have no opinion yet. No TiVo, DVR, DVD recorder, or working VCR, don't go there.)
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Got broadband Internet? http://www.cbs.com/innertube/ (http://\"http://www.cbs.com/innertube/\") . Greatest thing since the DVR. :)
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'167617\' date=\'Oct 22 2007, 05:07 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'167616\' date=\'Oct 22 2007, 05:02 PM\']
(And just for the record, still have yet to see a Drew episode, so I have no opinion yet. No TiVo, DVR, DVD recorder, or working VCR, don't go there.)
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Got broadband Internet? http://www.cbs.com/innertube/ (http://\"http://www.cbs.com/innertube/\") . Greatest thing since the DVR. :)
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Also, my computer sucks and won't let me download the Flash I need.
Otherwise, I'd be on that like white on rice.
(Why I chose that cliche, I don't know.)
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[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'167616\' date=\'Oct 22 2007, 05:02 PM\']
But the ONE post I saw that was critical of Drew had the person instantly labeled as a fanb0i. Whether the person (bellbm) can actually be called one, I don't know.
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By your own admission, you haven't seen the show, so you have no idea if bellbm's critique has any validity, and yet you're attacking those who criticized him in turn. Bellbm's post was criticized because, based on one show, he declared (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=13838&view=findpost&p=166889\") that Drew is not a game show host, never will be, will never have the charisma Bob had
It's the "hyperbolic" thing I mentioned.
But I know that others would jump down any critical person of Drew's throat and call them a fanboy (that's how it's spelled, I'm sick of the Avril Lavigne-style abbreviation), and I don't think that's fair.
Certainly, "others" would. Most of us wouldn't, and I'm confident that those who did would be slammed in turn. We've always welcomed opinion based in reason and fact, even when the opinion disagrees with the majority, and I don't think it's fair for you to lump us in with the "others" you mention when you have nothing to justify that assertion. (Frankly, it smacks of John Chartier, who once claimed — similarly with no justification — that he "knew" that Randy West could post whatever he wanted here and get away with it.)
And as for the spelling, I don't recall anyone forcing you to use it.
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John Chartier, who once claimed — similarly with no justification — that he "knew" that Randy West could post whatever he wanted here and get away with it.
Randy pretty much can post whatever he wants here because we know he uses good judgement when he posts.
Like duh!
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I have yet to see a well-reasoned "I don't think Drew is doing well as host because..." post. Given what routinely passes for Price debate nowadays ("Drew will use filthy language on air just as he does in standup," "Bob was like my second father," and so on and so forth) — and more importantly, the fact that most reasonable people will give Drew a reasonable chance before making that conclusion in the first place — I'm thinking that it will take some time before we see one.
Yeah, really...sample "criticisms" of Drew's PiR on Facebook and elsewhere have included such gems as:
- "It doesn't sound natural when Rich says 'Well, Drew...', compared to 'Well, Bob...'."
- "Saying 'Oh Mighty SFX People' during One Away eats up time and is unnecessary."
- "He jumped along w/a contestant, Bob would never do that!"
Can we say "grasping @ straws"?
Chuck Donegan (The Astounded "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Oct 22 2007, 09:38 PM\']- "It doesn't sound natural when Rich says 'Well, Drew...', compared to 'Well, Bob...'."[/quote]
Has anything Rich has ever said on the show sounded natural?
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Has anything Rich has ever said on the show sounded natural?
He vomited once.
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[quote name=\'Millionaire81\' post=\'167643\' date=\'Oct 23 2007, 04:56 AM\']
He vomited once.
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