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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Jay Temple on February 21, 2008, 11:08:50 PM
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Here's something I've been pondering: Which announcer introduced the same host the most different times? Pat Sajak's and Bob Barker's tenures on WoF and TPIR were split among different announcers, and the panel shows with long runs only did one show a week. I'm thinking Johnny Gilbert announcing Alex Trebek may be tops.
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Don Pardo announcing Art Fleming perhaps?
Jay Stewart introing Monty Hall?
Kenny and Peter Marshall?
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' post=\'178487\' date=\'Feb 21 2008, 11:47 PM\']
Don Pardo announcing Art Fleming perhaps?
Jay Stewart introing Monty Hall?
Kenny and Peter Marshall?
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None of which top the Gilbert-Trebek pairing.
My count: 12, 14, and 16 years each? Don't feel like Googling right now.
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' post=\'178487\' date=\'Feb 21 2008, 08:47 PM\']
Don Pardo announcing Art Fleming perhaps?
Jay Stewart introing Monty Hall?
Kenny and Peter Marshall?
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None of those three shows have run as long as Trebekardy, though. I think Gilbert/Trebek pretty much wins by default.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'178490\' date=\'Feb 22 2008, 12:57 AM\']
[quote name=\'Terry K\' post=\'178487\' date=\'Feb 21 2008, 08:47 PM\']
Don Pardo announcing Art Fleming perhaps?
Jay Stewart introing Monty Hall?
Kenny and Peter Marshall?
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None of those three shows have run as long as Trebekardy, though. I think Gilbert/Trebek pretty much wins by default.
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Although..Weren't most of those 52 year a week shows vs. the 39 or so that J! does? Also...in the case of J! and HS there were night time syndie versions?
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' post=\'178571\' date=\'Feb 23 2008, 02:27 AM\']
Although..Weren't most of those 52 year a week shows vs. the 39 or so that J! does? Also...in the case of J! and HS there were night time syndie versions?
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Let's do the math...
As of last night, J!'s current incarnation has had 5,405 shows. The Fleming + Pardo incarnation would be 2,753 (mentioned on the final episode) + 39 (one year of syndication) = 2,792. Don Pardo didn't do the '79 revival, that was John Harlan.
Wikipedia (grr) says all incarnations of Hollywood Squares total to 3,536 episodes. I can't buy that figure, since the non-Marshall figure alone is around 2,000 (9 seasons of 195 episodes each). Assuming no reruns and no preemptions, the daytime version should have had 3,570 episodes, the primetime version had at most 30, four years of one-a-week syndication (39 x 4 = 156), four years of two-a-week syndication (39 x 8 = 312) and one year of five-a-week syndication (195) still leave it in the low 4,000 range.
No hard figure for LMAD yet, but same math:
3,270 daytime (at most)
148 primetime (at most)
273 1-or-2-a-week syndie (at most)
195 5-a-week syndie
equals 3,886. Jay Stewart didn't do any LMAD after Las Vegas
--Mike
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What about Don Pardo introing Bill Cullen over different shows(not always regularly) between '52 and '75?
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' post=\'178571\' date=\'Feb 22 2008, 11:27 PM\']
Weren't most of those 52 year a week shows...
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I lol'd.
/One hell of a week.
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'178587\' date=\'Feb 23 2008, 09:29 AM\']
No hard figure for LMAD yet, but same math:
3,270 daytime (at most)
148 primetime (at most)
273 1-or-2-a-week syndie (at most)
195 5-a-week syndie
equals 3,886. Jay Stewart didn't do any LMAD after Las Vegas
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You're still a little short - there were two seasons of syndicated LMAD from 1984-1986. And Jay wasn't involved - Brian Cummings did the first season, Dean Goss the second.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'178666\' date=\'Feb 23 2008, 09:32 PM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'178587\' date=\'Feb 23 2008, 09:29 AM\']
No hard figure for LMAD yet, but same math:
3,270 daytime (at most)
148 primetime (at most)
273 1-or-2-a-week syndie (at most)
195 5-a-week syndie
equals 3,886. Jay Stewart didn't do any LMAD after Las Vegas
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You're still a little short - there were two seasons of syndicated LMAD from 1984-1986. And Jay wasn't involved - Brian Cummings did the first season, Dean Goss the second.
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Dave, I think we're just counting the Stewart-announced episodes.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'178600\' date=\'Feb 23 2008, 02:00 PM\']
What about Don Pardo introing Bill Cullen over different shows(not always regularly) between '52 and '75?
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I think they only worked together on the NBC version of TPIR (Pardo was under contract to NBC, so Johnny Gilbert replaced him when it moved to ABC), and pretty regularly on Eye Guess, Three on a Match and Winning Streak). Even if Pardo announced every episode, I still think he'd be behind the Trebek-Gilbert combo.
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Agreed on the Alex Trebek-Johnny Gilbert pairing having the record for game shows.
But to up the ante for overall television host-announcer pairings, that winning pair would be the team of Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'178831\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 11:34 PM\']
Agreed on the Alex Trebek-Johnny Gilbert pairing having the record for game shows.
But to up the ante for overall television host-announcer pairings, that winning pair would be the team of Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon.
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Possibly -- but would there be any way to figure in the number of reruns and/or guest hosts? Plus Doc would switch over to Ed's spot every once in a while.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'178871\' date=\'Feb 25 2008, 10:47 AM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'178831\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 11:34 PM\']
Agreed on the Alex Trebek-Johnny Gilbert pairing having the record for game shows.
But to up the ante for overall television host-announcer pairings, that winning pair would be the team of Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon.
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Possibly -- but would there be any way to figure in the number of reruns and/or guest hosts? Plus Doc would switch over to Ed's spot every once in a while.
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Don't forget to include their four years together on Who Do You Trust?
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'178871\' date=\'Feb 25 2008, 10:47 AM\']
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'178831\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 11:34 PM\']
Agreed on the Alex Trebek-Johnny Gilbert pairing having the record for game shows.
But to up the ante for overall television host-announcer pairings, that winning pair would be the team of Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon.
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Possibly -- but would there be any way to figure in the number of reruns and/or guest hosts? Plus Doc would switch over to Ed's spot every once in a while.[/quote]
The number of Carson Tonight Show episodes that's quoted all over the internet is 4531, which isn't anywhere close to the still-climbing number of Trebek-Gilbert pairings. The question is where that number comes from. There would be more than 7500 weeknights between 1962 and 1992, and while Carson's light schedule and frequent vacations became legendary, they really didn't rerun episodes very often.
If the 4531 number is real, then it makes the most sense (to me anyway) that it's the number of unique episodes Carson hosted, the rest being guest hosts or the occasional rerun. Remove from that the number of times Doc subbed for Ed, and not even adding the Johnny-Ed combos for stuff like Who Do You Trust? gets us near what Trebek and Gilbert have accomplished together.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'178876\' date=\'Feb 25 2008, 11:40 AM\']
Don't forget to include their four years together on Who Do You Trust?[/quote]
Sorry, we cross posted.
Actually, I guess I never realized that Who Do You Trust? was four years of daily shows with Johnny & Ed. Assuming best-case production, you could add up to a thousand more episodes for that, which does get us pretty close to Trebek and Gilbert, but I think the Jeopardy team still leads, and of course is adding to the total daily.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'178878\' date=\'Feb 25 2008, 11:52 AM\']
Actually, I guess I never realized that Who Do You Trust? was four years of daily shows with Johnny & Ed. Assuming best-case production, you could add up to a thousand more episodes for that, which does get us pretty close to Trebek and Gilbert, but I think the Jeopardy team still leads, and of course is adding to the total daily.
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I take your point. So I'll concede the episodes taped together to Alex and Johnny.
Shifting this a little bit in another direction, Carson and McMahon would hold the record, though, for continuous association starting in 1958 when Ed replaced Bill Nimmo on Trust? to Johnny's final night hosting The Tonight Show in 1992.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'178879\' date=\'Feb 25 2008, 12:01 PM\']
Shifting this a little bit in another direction, Carson and McMahon would hold the record, though, for continuous association starting in 1958 when Ed replaced Bill Nimmo on Trust? to Johnny's final night hosting The Tonight Show in 1992.[/quote]
True dat.
And for the Trebek-Gilbert pairing to match THAT mark, they'd have to work together for another ten years, at which point Gilbert would be 94 years old!
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'178881\' date=\'Feb 25 2008, 01:08 PM\']
And for the Trebek-Gilbert pairing to match THAT mark, they'd have to work together for another ten years, at which point Gilbert would be 94 years old!
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Don Pardo just turned 90, so anything's possible.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'178881\' date=\'Feb 25 2008, 12:08 PM\']
And for the Trebek-Gilbert pairing to match THAT mark, they'd have to work together for another ten years, at which point Gilbert would be 94 years old!
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Would there have been a random time that Johnny and Alex may have worked? If Kenny was unavailable, who was the sub?
--Mike
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'178888\' date=\'Feb 25 2008, 12:33 PM\']Would there have been a random time that Johnny and Alex may have worked? If Kenny was unavailable, who was the sub?[/quote]
Maybe random subbing for a show or two, but unless I'm missing something, the two didn't work regularly together until Jeopardy. Given both their nomadic roamings during the 70s and early 80s, that's a little surprising.