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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: JohnHolder on February 22, 2008, 09:45:18 PM
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Hi everyone,
Does anyone have a reliable source as to exactly how many episodes of this version were produced? There's a raging edit war going on as I speak on the Wikipedia page on the show, because "approximately 40" doesn't satisfy one participant who says it must be either an exact (documented) number or nothing goes in the article. (I'm not sure she knows that the person she's arguing with is a five-time Trebek-version champion with extensive knowledge of the show. He keeps explaining exactly how the number was derived, and she keeps calling it a "guess.") I'm thinking it was probably 39, allowing for 13 weeks of summer reruns, because that seems to have been the standard back then, but if anyone can point me to a reliable source, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks,
John (insert your own Wikipedia joke here)
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Wasn't 39 episodes the norm for syndie back then, Hee-Haw or Lawrence Welk as examples?
Do any of those episodes still exist? How many quads are floating around?
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[quote name=\'JohnHolder\' post=\'178550\' date=\'Feb 22 2008, 09:45 PM\'] I'm thinking it was probably 39, allowing for 13 weeks of summer reruns, because that seems to have been the standard back then, but if anyone can point me to a reliable source, I'd appreciate it.[/quote]
That makes the most sense to me as well, but that's not something you're going to get past the self-appointed [echo]Solemn Protectors of Wiki Minutiae[/echo].
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Because I just woke up, I read the topic as "Syndicated Flaming Jeopardy!, 1974-1975."
"I'll take "Fabulous Divas" for $100, Art!"
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I think the number of shows produced varied from show to show. The 1976 Break the Bank only produced 24 nighttime shows. I used to keep records of the celebrities and reruns started popping up in March. I believe Cullen's $25,000 Pyramid produced 30 per year; and other shows were likely at 39.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'178606\' date=\'Feb 23 2008, 01:34 PM\'] Because I just woke up, I read the topic as "Syndicated Flaming Jeopardy!, 1974-1975."[/quote]
What is FAAAABULOUS?
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Great, now I'm picturing Johnny from Airplane, even though he wasn't AFAIK actually supposed to be gay; he just had that sort of personality.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'178557\' date=\'Feb 22 2008, 10:55 PM\']
[quote name=\'JohnHolder\' post=\'178550\' date=\'Feb 22 2008, 09:45 PM\'] I'm thinking it was probably 39, allowing for 13 weeks of summer reruns, because that seems to have been the standard back then, but if anyone can point me to a reliable source, I'd appreciate it.[/quote]
That makes the most sense to me as well, but that's not something you're going to get past the self-appointed [echo]Solemn Protectors of Wiki Minutiae[/echo].
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"Can you cite a reliable third-party source to confirm the air date of the episode on which it was specifically announced that Megaword had been retired as a category?"
John (and wheeloffortune.com isn't an acceptable source for statistics on itself, either)
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I happen to have the NAPTE issue of Broadcasting from 1974, and it says that 36 episodes would be available. Not sure if that ended up being the final number, but just another fact to gum up the works.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'178707\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 12:43 PM\']
I happen to have the NAPTE issue of Broadcasting from 1974, and it says that 36 episodes would be available. Not sure if that ended up being the final number, but just another fact to gum up the works.
--Mike
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What's the cover date? That might end up being a reliable enough source to quiet the edit war. Thanks!
John
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Jeopardy related I had seen the Twilight Zone movie from the early 80s and wondered in the Kick the Can segment how Spielberg found an episode of Jeopardy and if that exact one exists today
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[quote name=\'JohnHolder\' post=\'178709\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 12:53 PM\']
What's the cover date? That might end up being a reliable enough source to quiet the edit war. Thanks!
John
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Broadcasting Magazine, Feb. 18, 1974, p. 36.
While I have it open:
Firestone: To Tell the Truth (260), The New Beat the Clock (260), I've Got a Secret (52)
Four Star: Can You Top This? (195), Juvenile Jury (26)
Sandy Frank: The New Treasure Hunt (32), The New Name That Tune (32)
Metromedia: Jeopardy (36), Truth or Consequences (260)
Rhodes: Hollywood Squares (32), Dating Game (260)
20th Century Fox: The New Strike it Rich, Masquerade Party (no episode counts)
Viacom: What's My Line (260)
Jim Victory: Concentration (260)
Les Wallwork: Dealer's Choice (260 or 52)
Worldvision: Let's Make a Deal (104), It Pays to Be Ignorant (39)
Comments:
Hollywood Squares has to be wrong (it started two-a-week for the 74-75 season)
The New Strike it Rich struck out
--Mike
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'178712\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 01:10 PM\']
While I have it open:
To Tell the Truth (260),
The New Beat the Clock (260),
Truth or Consequences (260)
Dating Game (260)
What's My Line (260)
Concentration (260)
Dealer's Choice (260 or 52)[/quote]
Did ANYBODY actually create daily syndicated product year-round? From episode guides and other sources, we know for a fact that WML? and TTTT didn't program 52 weeks a year of new product. And if G-T wasn't doing it, I have a hard time believing anybody else would go to the extra expense.
Meanwhile, to crib a piece from an old SportsNight episode, 36 is an odd number. The use of a specific, unusual number like that, when 26 or 39 would have been more common, seems to be awfully compelling evidence that this is the number of shows they made. I don't even think the SPoWM would have a problem with that.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'178718\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 10:50 AM\']
Meanwhile, to crib a piece from an old SportsNight episode, 36 is an odd number. The use of a specific, unusual number like that, when 26 or 39 would have been more common, seems to be awfully compelling evidence that this is the number of shows they made. I don't even think the SPoWM would have a problem with that.[/quote]
You give the SPoWM far more credit than they deserve. :)
It's actually interesting...we've talked about what a surprising success Wiki's been in the past, but an interesting part of the social experiment seems to be coming to the surface now: Wiki's not being ruined by trolls and vandals, it's being ruined by these asshat self-appointed Wikicops who are insisting on seeing six sources for every piece of information, instead of stepping back and letting the experts be experts.
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[quote name=\'WildJoker76\' post=\'178711\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 01:01 PM\']
Jeopardy related I had seen the Twilight Zone movie from the early 80s and wondered in the Kick the Can segment how Spielberg found an episode of Jeopardy and if that exact one exists today
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If I am not mistaken, and not to dredge up certain people, I aquired a copy of that episode from PoC about a year or so ago! It also had a player who's bar buddies said he should try out, and a nanny who wound up tying the champ at the end.
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Yes, that particular Jeopardy episode came from UCLA originally. I recognized it as the one used in TZ when I heard the contestant give the question, "Who is Bartholomew Cubbins?" which in the movie, the old man (Murray Matheson) watching on TV gives it before she does!
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'178629\' date=\'Feb 23 2008, 04:16 PM\']
I believe Cullen's $25,000 Pyramid produced 30 per year...
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Yes, it was always 30 first-run episodes a season for the Cullen edition, with six episodes produced each taping session for normally about five times during the spring/summer of the year. All 30 of them would have to all be completed by the start of the fall season, so that the tapes would be bicycled around the country to different stations.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'178720\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 02:01 PM\']
Wiki's not being ruined by trolls and vandals, it's being ruined by these asshat self-appointed Wikicops who are insisting on seeing six sources for every piece of information, instead of stepping back and letting the experts be experts.
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I demand that you produce a reliable, third-party source to cite as verification of this assertion.
John
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[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'178712\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 01:10 PM\']
Broadcasting Magazine, Feb. 18, 1974, p. 36.
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Great! Thanks!
John
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'178718\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 02:50 PM\']
[quote name=\'mmb5\' post=\'178712\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 01:10 PM\']
Broadcasting Magazine, Feb. 18, 1974, p. 36.
While I have it open:
Firestone: To Tell the Truth (260), The New Beat the Clock (260), I've Got a Secret (52)
Four Star: Can You Top This? (195), Juvenile Jury (26)
Sandy Frank: The New Treasure Hunt (32), The New Name That Tune (32)
Metromedia: Jeopardy (36), Truth or Consequences (260)
Rhodes: Hollywood Squares (32), Dating Game (260)
20th Century Fox: The New Strike it Rich, Masquerade Party (no episode counts)
Viacom: What's My Line (260)
Jim Victory: Concentration (260)
Les Wallwork: Dealer's Choice (260 or 52)
Worldvision: Let's Make a Deal (104), It Pays to Be Ignorant (39)[/quote]
Meanwhile, to crib a piece from an old SportsNight episode, 36 is an odd number. [/quote]
But it's not a prime number.
Is this a combination of what would be produced for 1974-75 and what was produced for 1973-74? There's a lot of shows that weren't around for 1974-75 listed (Beat the Clock, I've Got a Secret, Can You Top This, Juvenile Jury, Dating Game, It Pays to Be Ignorant, The New Strike It Rich) -- some of which were in production for the previous season.
Still useful, and it's good enuff to throw on my page when I update in 2029.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'178811\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 09:06 PM\']
Is this a combination of what would be produced for 1974-75 and what was produced for 1973-74? There's a lot of shows that weren't around for 1974-75 listed (Beat the Clock, I've Got a Secret, Can You Top This, Juvenile Jury, Dating Game, It Pays to Be Ignorant, The New Strike It Rich) -- some of which were in production for the previous season.
Still useful, and it's good enuff to throw on my page when I update in 2029.
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It's a list of what was available to be purchased by your station for the 1974-75 season. Not everything was listed, like Pyramid for example.
--Mike
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Some of those could have been rerun packages. Also, it's likely that with some of those, the syndicators offered another season of the show (Beat the Clock for instance) and didn't get enough affiliate committments to continue production.
Greg
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[quote name=\'JohnHolder\' post=\'178790\' date=\'Feb 24 2008, 04:13 PM\']
I demand that you produce a reliable, third-party source to cite as verification of this assertion.[/quote]
I got yer reliable third-party source right >here<, bub. :)
/bravo
//bravissimo
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Im a long time lurker, but rare poster (probably going to be more frequent now),
Are we talking about the version of syndicated J! with the Super Jeopardy round? I know that GSN has at least one episode of that version. And, do we know who announced this version? Maybe a fan site of an announcer or Fleming might reveal an exact number. Also, maybe someone could contact KingWorld to see. Im just saying.
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[quote name=\'Fell Into A Trivia Trap\' post=\'178847\' date=\'Feb 25 2008, 02:23 AM\']
Are we talking about the version of syndicated J! with the Super Jeopardy round?
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No, that was in '78. The version in question here was weekly and had a bonus round where the winner picked spaces off the board to win up to $25,000 in cash.
And odds are, whoever ran a fan site we'd get numbers from probably posts here anyhow.
-Jason
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Sorry to put a crimp into the search for the absolute-perfect answer, but I'm now being told pretty reliably (but anonymously) that there were in fact 39 episodes of syndicated Jeopardy produced. What's more, the tapes survive, but are inaccessible to ANY collector.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'179472\' date=\'Mar 1 2008, 02:50 PM\']
What's more, the tapes survive, but are inaccessible to ANY collector.
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Out of curiosity, what kind of circumstances would prohibit the viewing or otherwise release of tapes?
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[quote name=\'DoorNumberFour\' post=\'179474\' date=\'Mar 1 2008, 03:08 PM\']
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'179472\' date=\'Mar 1 2008, 02:50 PM\']
What's more, the tapes survive, but are inaccessible to ANY collector.
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Out of curiosity, what kind of circumstances would prohibit the viewing or otherwise release of tapes?
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Owned by a company that's got them on an obsolete format and isn't inclined to spend tons of money to convert them just for our amusement.
For one.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'179475\' date=\'Mar 1 2008, 03:13 PM\']
Owned by a company that's got them on an obsolete format and isn't inclined to spend tons of money to convert them just for our amusement.
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Oooooh. I'm sorry. The correct question is "What is blocked by a bear trap?"
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Sorry to put a crimp into the search for the absolute-perfect answer, but I'm now being told pretty reliably (but anonymously) that there were in fact 39 episodes of syndicated Jeopardy produced. What's more, the tapes survive, but are inaccessible to ANY collector.
Theoretically, this is something GSN should have the rights to, unless it falls under the same problem as Cullen's $25,000 Pyramid and Love Experts, that it's still owned partially by the syndicator.
I quite certain that even if GSN did have (or could access) the tapes, they'd probably never air them anyway.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'179582\' date=\'Mar 2 2008, 12:54 PM\']
Sorry to put a crimp into the search for the absolute-perfect answer, but I'm now being told pretty reliably (but anonymously) that there were in fact 39 episodes of syndicated Jeopardy produced. What's more, the tapes survive, but are inaccessible to ANY collector.
Theoretically, this is something GSN should have the rights to, unless it falls under the same problem as Cullen's $25,000 Pyramid and Love Experts, that it's still owned partially by the syndicator.
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Probably the tapes are in the hands of the men's clothier who furnished Fleming's tuxedos.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'179582\' date=\'Mar 2 2008, 11:54 AM\']Theoretically, this is something GSN should have the rights to, unless it falls under the same problem as Cullen's $25,000 Pyramid and Love Experts, that it's still owned partially by the syndicator. [/quote]
My understanding is that the latter is precisely the case.