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I heard Duel will be returning in April. Will it be in a tournament format?
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[quote name=\'abba\' post=\'180826\' date=\'Mar 10 2008, 11:18 PM\']
I heard Duel will be returning in April. Will it be in a tournament format?
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Link, please?
The InquisitiveOne
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[quote name=\'TheInquisitiveOne\' post=\'180902\' date=\'Mar 11 2008, 01:52 PM\']
[quote name=\'abba\' post=\'180826\' date=\'Mar 10 2008, 11:18 PM\']
I heard Duel will be returning in April. Will it be in a tournament format?
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Link, please?
The InquisitiveOne
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The Duel website on abc.com.
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[quote name=\'TravisP\' post=\'180906\' date=\'Mar 11 2008, 12:02 PM\']
The Duel website on abc.com.
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Err, maybe there's some sarcasm I'm not picking up, but the ABC Duel website is no more. The game is still up, but no homepage.
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Good spot! It looks like they've taken it down very recently as I noticed on Saturday the following on their website.
Returns Friday April 4th 9/8c
each Friday for 10 weeks
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[quote name=\'TravisP\' post=\'180930\' date=\'Mar 11 2008, 05:06 PM\']
Good spot! It looks like they've taken it down very recently as I noticed on Saturday the following on their website.
Returns Friday April 4th 9/8c
each Friday for 10 weeks
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Interesting...they now show, what, Grey's Anatomy reruns in that slot? I doubt it'll pull primetime TPiR numbers, but I'd like to think that numbers better than Grey's reruns would look good for ABC...even if it gives NBC's 9:00 show a run for the money, it says something.
What was NBN's numbers last year?
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For those wanting a definitive source (http://\"http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=7573\") .
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'180939\' date=\'Mar 11 2008, 04:54 PM\']
For those wanting a definitive source (http://\"http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=7573\") .
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No indication that Greenie's coming back for this run (although I would suppose that he would).
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'180932\' date=\'Mar 11 2008, 05:14 PM\']
[quote name=\'TravisP\' post=\'180930\' date=\'Mar 11 2008, 05:06 PM\']
Good spot! It looks like they've taken it down very recently as I noticed on Saturday the following on their website.
Returns Friday April 4th 9/8c
each Friday for 10 weeks
[/quote]
Interesting...they now show, what, Grey's Anatomy reruns in that slot? I doubt it'll pull primetime TPiR numbers, but I'd like to think that numbers better than Grey's reruns would look good for ABC...even if it gives NBC's 9:00 show a run for the money, it says something.
What was NBN's numbers last year?
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ABC has the Duel website back up again
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'180939\' date=\'Mar 11 2008, 05:54 PM\']
For those wanting a definitive source (http://\"http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=7573\") .
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However, all the futon critic does is reference the same ABC website, as a source, that is now down.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'181128\' date=\'Mar 12 2008, 04:26 PM\']
Game Show Forum, meet Craigslist. Craigslist, meet the Game Show Forum. (http://\"http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/tlg/601858702.html\")
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they forgot to add
5. Must not have been a game show contestant ever as we want "new people"
/as told to me by young smoky-voiced game show co-ord-a-intern Kristi (with an I) "Bubbles" Montgomery
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Info from the Hollywood Reporter... (http://\"http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i4bdfd5e3a7ef1e305f16c07397579c82\")The tournament format has been scrapped, but Greeny's still hosting...
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'181229\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 01:46 PM\']
Info from the Hollywood Reporter... (http://\"http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i4bdfd5e3a7ef1e305f16c07397579c82\")
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The rules were unintuitive? There wasn't enough suspense?
Oy.
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'181231\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 01:12 PM\']
The rules were unintuitive? There wasn't enough suspense?
Oy.
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Oy, indeed. If America can somehow figure out that you make money on consonants and pay money for vowels while at the same time remembering which ones are the vowels, it wouldn't seem that the basic "Duel" rules were a problem.
The idea of a two-player, head-to-head high stakes game has limitless potential, and the "Duel" people may actually have a workable game format if only they'd mount it right.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'181234\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 02:43 PM\']
The idea of a two-player, head-to-head high stakes game has limitless potential, and the "Duel" people may actually have a workable game format if only they'd mount it right.
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I didn't think it was all that bad the first time around. Not spectacular, maybe, but far from awful.
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The first series was pretty bad. Greeny needs to lose the pen, and be given the go ahead to inject a little humor; if you appeared to be smart, you wouldn't be picked as a contestant; easy questions played out for 5-10 minutes, shall I go on?
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The pen didn't bother me. In fact, I see it as a sponsorship opportunity: they could take a partial note from the Blankety Blanks folks and send losing contestants off (after being told what an absolute joy they've been, of course) with the official Duel fountain pen, furnished by your friends at Cross.
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Glad to see it returning. The tournament aspect didn't do much for me - I preferred the game play. I'll look forward to seeing how well the tweaks work.
(My home version is three-quarters done - might as well wait until April to finalize it.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'181242\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 03:22 PM\']
The pen didn't bother me. In fact, I see it as a sponsorship opportunity: they could take a partial note from the Blankety Blanks folks and send losing contestants off (after being told what an absolute joy they've been, of course) with the official Duel fountain pen, furnished by your friends at Cross.
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Will it have authentic Greenberg bite marks? Because as much as he played with it, he's gotta be munching on it during commercials.
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Maybe it's just me, but I thought the pace of the first run was about as fast as a snail... who had just downed a serious amount of...
But first, this is Duel on ABC.
...chamomile tea.
I think the race is now on to see which game show can stretch the least amount of content the farthest. If Jeopardy were to follow this tactic it would take a full week to...
...but first, this is Duel on ABC.
...play one first round.
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[quote name=\'irwinsjournal.com\' post=\'181260\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 06:21 PM\']Maybe it's just me, but I thought the pace of the first run was about as fast as a snail.[/quote]
Again, as we discussed when it was on originally, the producers cut the first two shows as one-hour programs, then were told to stretch them to ninety minutes by the network. So for those 90 minute shows, there was a half-hour of filler in each one that the producers had already decided they didn't want which made them miserably slow. There was a distinct improvement in the later shows, though certainly this will never be mistaken for a fast-paced game.
I think there's little doubt we'll see lower stakes and a faster pace when this comes back.
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what if they did it like thls
defending champs
first win-5k per Chip left
second win 10k ''''''''''''''''
third win- 20k''''''''''''''''''
fourth win 30k''
'./
'l
tenth win 100k'''''
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'181271\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 05:59 PM\']
what if they did it like thls
defending champs
first win-5k per Chip left
second win 10k ''''''''''''''''
third win- 20k''''''''''''''''''
fourth win 30k''
'./
'l
tenth win 100k'''''
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'181271\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 08:59 PM\']
what if they did it like thls
defending champs
first win-5k per Chip left
second win 10k ''''''''''''''''
third win- 20k''''''''''''''''''
fourth win 30k''
'./
'l
tenth win 100k'''''
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In addition to the use of Mr. Lesko, throwing out numbers and not giving an entire list isn't useful. In other words, what are wins 5 to 9 worth? Don't answer. Matthew Lesko has made one appearance already.
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'181239\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 12:25 PM\']I didn't think it was all that bad the first time around. Not spectacular, maybe, but far from awful.[/quote]I'm impressed that they were able to do something with "one question and four answers", that also manages to inject a measure of strategy and suspense into the proceedings. Far from perfect, sure. But as far as quizzes go, it's a good one.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'181242\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 01:22 PM\']The pen didn't bother me. In fact, I see it as a sponsorship opportunity: they could take a partial note from the Blankety Blanks folks and send losing contestants off (after being told what an absolute joy they've been, of course) with the official Duel fountain pen, furnished by your friends at Cross.[/quote]Is Temptation:Non-Sucky Down Under Version still giving away the Waterman fountain pen?
I think that's a fine idea, and it would fall into the same categories as the Croton watches or Sale of the Century stickpin from the earlier days. (I still maintain that PYL missed a huge opportunity by not having plush Whammies as consolation prizes.)
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'181261\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 03:34 PM\']I think there's little doubt we'll see lower stakes and a faster pace when this comes back.[/quote]Given the choice, I think almost everyone with two neurons would choose more games and lower stakes, as opposed to the inverse. When played at a decent clip, Duel is a fantastic show, and a really good game. (The pyro show that the Brits fired off for the jackpot winner was Teh Neat, too.)
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'181271\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 07:59 PM\']
what if they did it like thls
defending champs
first win-5k per Chip left
second win 10k ''''''''''''''''
third win- 20k''''''''''''''''''
fourth win 30k''
'./
'l
tenth win 100k'''''
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http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9145/ohnoesgp3.jpg (http://\"http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/9145/ohnoesgp3.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'181274\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 06:31 PM\']
In addition to the use of Mr. Lesko, throwing out numbers and not giving an entire list isn't useful. In other words, what are wins 5 to 9 worth? Don't answer. Matthew Lesko has made one appearance already.
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I assumed (and not unreasonably, I don't think) that it went up in $10K increments.
Given the OP, I'm not inclined to rag him too much for abbreviating. (To a point.)
The sheer ludicrousness of the idea itself, however, enjoys no such projection.
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If it comes back again, I won't watch it again. Simple as that...
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[quote name=\'PYLFan28\' post=\'181282\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 11:11 PM\']
If it comes back again, I won't watch it again. Simple as that...[/quote]
Thanks for sharing.
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'181231\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 02:12 PM\']
The rules were unintuitive? There wasn't enough suspense?
Oy.
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The only rule change I could imagine that would make the game more intuitive, and not affect the game greatly, is making the lock-in of an answer an auto-accelerator on your opponent.
I'm really indifferent on the accelerators; I'm not sure just how much they add to the game. At the very least, one could argue that such a rule change would give an additional reward for knowing an answer quickly - being able to pressure your opponent. On the other hand, 1-1 chip situations lose their current suspense, as I can imagine contentants throwing caution into the wind to force their opponents to do the same thing.
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[quote name=\'chill411\' post=\'181295\' date=\'Mar 13 2008, 11:20 PM\']
On the other hand, 1-1 chip situations lose their current suspense, as I can imagine contentants throwing caution into the wind to force their opponents to do the same thing.
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Any chip lead loses its suspense. If I can blow four chips to do an Insta-Press and scare my opponent down to 1, why wouldn't I do it?
They're strategically interesting when used well. It's just that, in true prime-time fashion, the coordinators aren't interested in people who use them well.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'181331\' date=\'Mar 14 2008, 01:47 PM\']
Any chip lead loses its suspense. If I can blow four chips to do an Insta-Press and scare my opponent down to 1, why wouldn't I do it?
They're strategically interesting when used well. It's just that, in true prime-time fashion, the coordinators aren't interested in people who use them well.
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I agree with you, although a chip lead in this game is very rarely to the point where one could weather two of those, if even one of them. The type of question has a fairly significant impact. I'd gladly play 4 and rush out an accelerator on figuring out what day of the year Christmas is on, as opposed to remembering Booker Prize winners. Of course, how often does that scenario come up? (rarely)
The saddest part, I imagine everyone here has reasoned out these accelerators more than any of the contestants appearing on the show - British or stateside. There's a deeper game there, we're just not allowed to see it.
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As long as they make sure to keep reminding me what show and network I'm watching as they lead into each and every last commercial break. I can be forgetful.
/Why was I watching this show again?
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If they would reduce the number possible answers to three, players could always cover A-B-C for at least the first couple of questions, and thus get another plug in for the network.
/in addition to the bug in the corner.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'181450\' date=\'Mar 15 2008, 06:35 AM\']/Why was I watching this show again?[/quote]
The pen. It's hypnotic.
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Has any one heard where DUEL is in the casting process. I heard they were going to start taping next week.
Just patiently waiting for my phone to ring.
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And they started running promos Monday night on "Dancing With the Stars."
Within the next week, I suspect that "DUEL RETURNS FRI. APR. 4 9/8C" will be emblazoned next to the ABC logo bug until Apr. 4.
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Okay...I admit that the particular numbers used in the first entry were pretty out of hand...but would it be unreasonable for contestants to play for more dough the more games they win? I mean, something like 5k per chip for the first two games, 10k per for games three and four, and 50k for the fifth win (at which point the champion retires undefeated). And yes, I know full well those numbers are still too high...but they can be tweaked. It's just the idea of it.
(It's also worth noting how few contestants actually win three games.)
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'181962\' date=\'Mar 19 2008, 04:42 PM\']
Okay...I admit that the particular numbers used in the first entry were pretty out of hand...but would it be unreasonable for contestants to play for more dough the more games they win? I mean, something like 5k per chip for the first two games, 10k per for games three and four, and 50k for the fifth win (at which point the champion retires undefeated). And yes, I know full well those numbers are still too high...but they can be tweaked. It's just the idea of it.[/quote]
Doesn't sit right with me. First off, the idea of the two players playing for different amounts of money per chip, I think, will confuse the average fan. And the only way around that I can think of is to not mention it until the game is over, and then say "Okay, Bob, that was your second duel victory, so at $10K per chip you just won $40K." And that strikes me as anticlimactic.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'181963\' date=\'Mar 19 2008, 04:54 PM\']First off, the idea of the two players playing for different amounts of money per chip, I think, will confuse the average fan. [/quote]The easy solution there is to either make the chips worth nothing by themselves, or a token amount, but allowing the champion to play a bonus question (like the British show does), where the total on offer grows. "John, it's your third win, this time you can win $3,000; $6,000 or $15,000 if you cover the right answer."
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'181982\' date=\'Mar 19 2008, 10:01 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'181963\' date=\'Mar 19 2008, 04:54 PM\']First off, the idea of the two players playing for different amounts of money per chip, I think, will confuse the average fan. [/quote]The easy solution there is to either make the chips worth nothing by themselves, or a token amount, but allowing the champion to play a bonus question (like the British show does), where the total on offer grows. "John, it's your third win, this time you can win $3,000; $6,000 or $15,000 if you cover the right answer."
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I agree with both. Didn't the contestants play for different amounts on Maury's Twenty-One?
In an excalating bonus, you could get three or four chips worth $X apiece (X increases for subsequent appearances) but must answer one question correctly--if you're right, you cash out the chips you didn't use.
Or you get four golden chips, and you win $X for each question you get right until you run out of chips.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'182013\' date=\'Mar 20 2008, 09:20 AM\']
I agree with both. Didn't the contestants play for different amounts on Maury's Twenty-One?[/quote]
Yes. Didn't the average viewer have trouble following Twenty-One? Also yes.
The thing with Travis's idea is that it's *interesting* for the chips to be worth non-trivial money during play, because it drives home the idea that they're spending it by covering more answers. Which is why I don't like saying what they were worth after the fact. I like "Here's nine $1,000 (or whatever) chips. If you win, you keep anything you have left. We'll give you your tenth chip...after this you're watching Duel on ABC."
If you want to throw a Four Golden Chips bonus side-game into the mix to break up the monotony of game after game after game (and I like Neumms' idea for that), that works for me, but I'm a big fan of what (I think) the Brits are doing: chips are worth a flat rate, lost ones go into a pre-seeded Jackpot, players risk whatever they have won (or a portion thereof) to play on, and X wins cleans out the Jackpot. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'182028\' date=\'Mar 20 2008, 03:13 PM\']
I'm a big fan of what (I think) the Brits are doing: chips are worth a flat rate, lost ones go into a pre-seeded Jackpot, players risk whatever they have won (or a portion thereof) to play on, and X wins cleans out the Jackpot. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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I like that, too, even with the pregnant pauses and commercials in between the lather and rinse. The idea of a solo bonus round on a game called "Duel" does seem a little anti-climactic. (As it was on Maury's show, even if its name wasn't "Duel.")
Do you (or does someone) know how they establish how much the champ must risk? It's not the Jack Barry Twenty-One method of taking your dethroner's winnings out of yours, is it?
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'182039\' date=\'Mar 20 2008, 02:55 PM\']
Do you (or does someone) know how they establish how much the champ must risk? It's not the Jack Barry Twenty-One method of taking your dethroner's winnings out of yours, is it?[/quote]
I'm almost certain it's not a per-point thing like the old Twenty-One, no.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'182045\' date=\'Mar 20 2008, 04:01 PM\'][quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'182039\' date=\'Mar 20 2008, 02:55 PM\']Do you (or does someone) know how they establish how much the champ must risk? It's not the Jack Barry Twenty-One method of taking your dethroner's winnings out of yours, is it?[/quote]
I'm almost certain it's not a per-point thing like the old Twenty-One, no.[/quote]There is no longer any risk on the British version. Contestants who win their second or third duel play one question against the press, and depending on how many chips are used (1, 2 or 3), the contestant wins cash if the correct answer is covered. That cash is theirs to keep no matter what.
Before the seventh episode or so, contestants who won their second duel would risk their cash prize to continue (either £10,000 or 10% of the jackpot at that time). After risking, the contestant either won the entirety of the jackpot or nothing at all.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'182057\' date=\'Mar 21 2008, 01:22 AM\']
Before the seventh episode or so, contestants who won their second duel would risk their cash prize to continue (either £10,000 or 10% of the jackpot at that time). After risking, the contestant either won the entirety of the jackpot or nothing at all.
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Not quite true, if someone was to win a third duel they'd have been offered £20k or 20%, but everybody walked away at the first opportunity.
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Well they updated the website with the rules... (http://\"http://abc.go.com/primetime/duel/index?pn=about\")
here's a quick hit on some of the changes...
-The winner of each Duel has a chance to double the winnings of the game with the "Max Moment Question" (Pepsi Max is sponsoring the show again).
-After the MMQ, they can quit and take what they've won or risk it and play on.
-If a player wins FIVE duels in a row, they win $500,000 (which would be the same as if they won all five Duels with all 10 chips, then answered the MMQ correctly each time- assuming the chips are still worth $5,000 each)...not sure if they mean they win $500K on top of what they had won in the other four Duels or they just augment the total to $500K (which probably is what they are doing, which seems cheap to me)...and five Duels is a lot- the UK version they only have to win four..
-and BTW, they have 2 new "chip girls" (per their press site pics)
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'182804\' date=\'Mar 29 2008, 04:04 PM\']
(which probably is what they are doing, which seems cheap to me)[/quote]
Why? Because it's the same money they would win if they played a completely perfect set of five games?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'182810\' date=\'Mar 29 2008, 07:27 PM\'] [quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'182804\' date=\'Mar 29 2008, 04:04 PM\']
(which probably is what they are doing, which seems cheap to me)[/quote]
Why? Because it's the same money they would win if they played a completely perfect set of five games? [/quote]
A bonus of this type combined with having to risk your winnings already rewards someone who just barely won their games more than someone who dominated their games. Now on top of that you have the real prospect of, "Do you want to risk your $300,000 against our $200,000?"
That, good sir, looks cheap. May not BE cheap, considering the risk/reward of wins #2, #3, and #4, but it gives a bad impression to force a contestant to risk more than he'd win.
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[quote name=\'parliboy\' post=\'182841\' date=\'Mar 30 2008, 08:58 AM\']
A bonus of this type combined with having to risk your winnings already rewards someone who just barely won their games more than someone who dominated their games. Now on top of that you have the real prospect of, "Do you want to risk your $300,000 against our $200,000?"
That, good sir, looks cheap. May not BE cheap, considering the risk/reward of wins #2, #3, and #4, but it gives a bad impression to force a contestant to risk more than he'd win.
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Fair point. I have to question, however, the likelihood of a situation like that coming up.
But your point about penalizing a dominant player is a good one.
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[quote name=\'parliboy\' post=\'182841\' date=\'Mar 30 2008, 11:58 AM\']
A bonus of this type combined with having to risk your winnings already rewards someone who just barely won their games more than someone who dominated their games. Now on top of that you have the real prospect of, "Do you want to risk your $300,000 against our $200,000?"
That, good sir, looks cheap. May not BE cheap, considering the risk/reward of wins #2, #3, and #4, but it gives a bad impression to force a contestant to risk more than he'd win.
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To play devil's advocate, if a player won a duel with most of their chips still in hand, it's probably because the other player had a brainfart more than the winner nailing all the right answers.
The only way it isn't at least a double-or-nothing gambit is a 3/3 run on the Max Moments and 25+/30 possible chips left over from the 3 winning duels, which probably doesn't happen without three straight quick victories.
/If someone manages to produce this, congrats on them for their quarter-million dollar win after they walk away smiling
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Some updates from Mike during Mike and Mike this morning:
OMG the pen is gone. Golic also said the pen was a "focal point" and distracting.
Average # of questions is up from 13 to 23.
There will be more host banter, and Greeny gets to get some jabs in too (donno how well that's going to go, but we'll see).
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'182804\' date=\'Mar 29 2008, 07:04 PM\']
-If a player wins FIVE duels in a row, they win $500,000 (which would be the same as if they won all five Duels with all 10 chips, then answered the MMQ correctly each time- assuming the chips are still worth $5,000 each)...not sure if they mean they win $500K on top of what they had won in the other four Duels or they just augment the total to $500K (which probably is what they are doing, which seems cheap to me)...and five Duels is a lot- the UK version they only have to win four..
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Although I don't know exactly what they finally settled on, my understanding is that the chips are not worth anything on this new version. Rather, the money a player wins for winning a Duel will be determined by how long the Duel lasts -- a player who wins the Duel on the first question won't win as much as one who wins it after, say, six or seven questions. As for whether the $500K will be additional or an augmented sum, my prediction is for the latter.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'182966\' date=\'Apr 1 2008, 09:06 AM\']
Average # of questions is up from 13 to 23.[/quote]
It's a start.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'182970\' date=\'Apr 1 2008, 07:35 AM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'182966\' date=\'Apr 1 2008, 09:06 AM\']
Average # of questions is up from 13 to 23.[/quote]
It's a start.
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Well, figure, what, 45 minutes of actual program with commercials yanked? Then yank out another five for between-game stuff. They're now resolving an entire question, start to finish, in just under a minute and forty-five seconds. That really isn't that bad. Not Jeopardy!, for sure, but not bad a all.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'182969\' date=\'Apr 1 2008, 10:12 AM\']
Although I don't know exactly what they finally settled on, my understanding is that the chips are not worth anything on this new version. Rather, the money a player wins for winning a Duel will be determined by how long the Duel lasts -- a player who wins the Duel on the first question won't win as much as one who wins it after, say, six or seven questions. As for whether the $500K will be additional or an augmented sum, my prediction is for the latter.
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You're right- it's based on the length of the Duel...based from the videos on the show site, here's the ladder...
questions-Duel value
1-$1,000
2-$2,500
3-$5,000
4-$10,000
5-$15,000
6-$20,000
7-$25,000
8-$30,000
9-$40,000
10+=$50,000
They've also updated the online game FWIW... (http://\"http://abc.go.com/primetime/duel/game/index\") biggest change is there's a MSN search function you can use once every 10 questions...
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Just saw that too. Isn't that over complicating the system a bit? I mean I would think it would have been much easier to say "You get $5,000 for each chip left and you can double it on this question." One of the models, in one of the videos, said she got every question right one episode. So either they hired very smart models or we've pulled a 1 VS 100 and dumbed down the game.
But yeah, do we officially know if five Duels augments you to $500,000 (I'll search this thread, I might have missed it)? Because with how they have it set up, with 5 duels if it takes 10+ questions and you double it each time there's $500,000 there as well.
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[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'183266\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 01:56 PM\'] They've also updated the online game FWIW... (http://\"http://abc.go.com/primetime/duel/game/index\") biggest change is there's a MSN search function you can use once every 10 questions... [/quote]
Why not just Google every question? ;)
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' post=\'183267\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 11:58 AM\']
Because with how they have it set up, with 5 duels if it takes 10+ questions and you double it each time there's $500,000 there as well.[/quote]
And how many Duels did we see go 10 questions on the original run of the show?
Really, it's an idiotic idea; it's overcomplicated and it encourages letting your opponent hang around a while, which is completely anathema to the concept of a head-to-head game.
It's Duel. You do not play around with your opponent; you go in for the kill.
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Couple of addendums from Greeny the other day on Mike and Mike:
- There is no more (or minimal) screen up.
- The tagline "This is DUEL on ABC" apparently disappeared (how am I supposed to know what I'm watching and what network it's on!? :) )
Does anyone know it this is going to be available on ABC.com? I really don't want to have to dig for a videotape (TPIR in HD takes the comp tuner)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'183269\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 03:05 PM\']
And how many Duels did we see go 10 questions on the original run of the show?
[/quote]
That would be none.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'183279\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 04:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'183269\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 03:05 PM\']
And how many Duels did we see go 10 questions on the original run of the show?
[/quote]
That would be none.
[/quote]
My point exactly, sir! :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'183269\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 02:05 PM\']
Really, it's an idiotic idea; it's overcomplicated and it encourages letting your opponent hang around a while, which is completely anathema to the concept of a head-to-head game.
It's Duel. You do not play around with your opponent; you go in for the kill.
[/quote]
Do you suggest they invert the money tree, or just scrap it altogether?
My biggest problem with the show is the "lose once and you lose it all" rule. If you give a new champion their winnings out of the bank of the loser (i.e. the original Twenty One), then somebody may actually play for the jackpot.
As far as the $500,000 jackpot goes, I'd have to guess that it would be your final total rather than a bonus, considering that most people will walk into the "Final Duel" with only $100K-$200K.
Regardless, they seem to be taking a step in the right direction. Many of my major gripes with last season have been fixed.
I wonder who else saw the spoilers in the "Coming this season..." video at the end of the episode.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'183298\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 11:44 PM\']
Do you suggest they invert the money tree, or just scrap it altogether?
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Lose it. I didn't have a single problem with X per chip remaining. It gets a little bit convoluted if you make X = the number of games that contestant has played * $1,000, but I bet there is verbiage that could cover it.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'183280\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 06:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'davidhammett\' post=\'183279\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 04:39 PM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'183269\' date=\'Apr 4 2008, 03:05 PM\']
And how many Duels did we see go 10 questions on the original run of the show?
[/quote]
That would be none.
[/quote]
My point exactly, sir! :)
[/quote]
Yeah, but I would be very surprised if they didn't edit at least a few questions out of the first run. I mean, I remember seeing exactly zero questions where both contestants knew the correct answer and didn't lose a chip. That seems suspicious to me.
Also, the problem with 'X per remaining chip' is that a gradually decreasing prize makes for worse television than a gradually increasing one. Hard to build tension when the stakes are going in the other direction.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'183332\' date=\'Apr 5 2008, 11:50 AM\']
Yeah, but I would be very surprised if they didn't edit at least a few questions out of the first run. I mean, I remember seeing exactly zero questions where both contestants knew the correct answer and didn't lose a chip. That seems suspicious to me.
Also, the problem with 'X per remaining chip' is that a gradually decreasing prize makes for worse television than a gradually increasing one. Hard to build tension when the stakes are going in the other direction.
[/quote]
Both very valid points. But there is still something fundamentally wrong with "the longer you let your opponent stick around, the more you win."
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How about $10,000 for each chip YOU have left if you win?
Makes for a decent risk-reward scenario, as well as a decent payout for the win in general.
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This was mentioned over in the 4/4 episode thread in the Summaries section, but the ratings for Friday are in, and...Duel's numbers weren't even published. They were, however, worse than Smackdown (2.8/5) on CW. Point blank: When you're doing worse than any show on CW, your days are numbered.
I guess no one was watching Duel on ABC. Viewers probably just lost interest without the pen.
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[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'183350\' date=\'Apr 5 2008, 04:48 PM\']
How about $10,000 for each chip YOU have left if you win?[/quote]
That's a great idea. Damned shame they didn't think of it.
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I love this show! I would only change these things:
The money tree= $1,000 $2,500 $5,000 $7,500 $10,000
$15,000 $20,000 $25,000 $30,000 and $40,000 for 10+
The winner of the game wins $1,000 per chip left in
addition to the money tree amount (10 chips = $10,000)
If the champ plays on and loses, he/she wins only 10%
of the money he/she has won (instead of losing it all)
Finally, winning 5 Duels wins $500,000 in addition to
the money won along the way... the money won in the last
Duel is automatically doubled... and the MAX question is
played to try to double the $500,000 bonus (which makes
the possible maximum win $1,500,000)
Eric
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[quote name=\'hines2000\' post=\'183394\' date=\'Apr 6 2008, 02:12 PM\']
I love this show! I would only change these things:
The money tree= $1,000 $2,500 $5,000 $7,500 $10,000
$15,000 $20,000 $25,000 $30,000 and $40,000 for 10+
The winner of the game wins $1,000 per chip left in
addition to the money tree amount (10 chips = $10,000)
If the champ plays on and loses, he/she wins only 10%
of the money he/she has won (instead of losing it all)
Finally, winning 5 Duels wins $500,000 in addition to
the money won along the way... the money won in the last
Duel is automatically doubled... and the MAX question is
played to try to double the $500,000 bonus (which makes
the possible maximum win $1,500,000)
Eric
[/quote]
Huh?
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'183395\' date=\'Apr 6 2008, 03:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'hines2000\' post=\'183394\' date=\'Apr 6 2008, 02:12 PM\']
<snip>
[/quote]
Huh?
[/quote]
This should explain it: http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3211/matmonbag2ec0.gif (http://\"http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3211/matmonbag2ec0.gif\")
/Duel is NOT a million-dollar show, much less a million+ show
//maybe a quarter-mill or $100,000 syndie show
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I'm with the gang that thinks you should be rewarded for being smart enough to use fewer chips. I still think the $500 per chip is still good, so if you win the $30,000 round and have 4 chips left, you have $32,000, which can be doubled with the MAX question. It's good that one can alter the rules when you make your own home version, and that's how mine is going to play out. Two players compete until one reaches $100,000 or more, giving you the $500,000. Come to think of it...I like the $1,000 per chip value. It'll certainly move the game faster. Sorry to read it did not do well in the ratings. It's not a great game, but not too bad a game, either - like 1 vs 100.
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[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'183378\' date=\'Apr 6 2008, 04:56 AM\']
This was mentioned over in the 4/4 episode thread in the Summaries section, but the ratings for Friday are in, and...Duel's numbers weren't even published. They were, however, worse than Smackdown (2.8/5) on CW. Point blank: When you're doing worse than any show on CW, your days are numbered.
I guess no one was watching Duel on ABC. Viewers probably just lost interest without the pen.
[/quote]
It's because it was on Friday night at 9, pure and simple. No one is watching TV then - it's not a TV appointment night. This show would do much better on early Sundays during family hours, at 7 or 8p.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'183457\' date=\'Apr 7 2008, 10:40 AM\']
[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'183378\' date=\'Apr 6 2008, 04:56 AM\']
This was mentioned over in the 4/4 episode thread in the Summaries section, but the ratings for Friday are in, and...Duel's numbers weren't even published. They were, however, worse than Smackdown (2.8/5) on CW. Point blank: When you're doing worse than any show on CW, your days are numbered.
I guess no one was watching Duel on ABC. Viewers probably just lost interest without the pen.
[/quote]
It's because it was on Friday night at 9, pure and simple. No one is watching TV then - it's not a TV appointment night. This show would do much better on early Sundays during family hours, at 7 or 8p.
[/quote]
If ABC and En-Dammit-All would cut out all the unnecessary screaming, cheering and applauding from "Extreme Makeover", you could easily carve out a space for a 30-minute version of Duel on Sunday Nights! :)
/Extreme Makeover makes the applause interruptions during the annual State of The Union Address feel like short, ten-second commercials
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'183515\' date=\'Apr 7 2008, 08:34 PM\']
If ABC and En-Dammit-All would cut out all the unnecessary screaming, cheering and applauding from "Extreme Makeover", you could easily carve out a space for a 30-minute version of Duel on Sunday Nights! :)
[/quote]
There, fixed that for you.