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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Casey Buck on January 20, 2009, 12:06:48 AM
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According to ClockGameJohn over at golden-road.net (http://\"http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,10002.0.html\"), some of the small prize/grocery product pricing games which are currently played for bonus prize packages with a pre-announced price (such as Bonus Game, Cliff Hangers, Grocery Game, Secret X, Shell Game, etc.) will now be played for cash.
No details on how much the cash amount would be, or if the game will always be played for cash (or just occasionally).
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Suddenly, the Ludia game gained some authenticity.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'206663\' date=\'Jan 19 2009, 09:49 PM\']
Suddenly, the Ludia game gained some authenticity.[/quote]
I chortl'd. :)
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'206663\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 12:49 AM\']
Suddenly, the Ludia game gained some authenticity.
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Wouldn't mind playing Cliff Hangers for a cool $40K.
/$1600 a step
EDIT: I've heard that a lot of the mid-level prizes are given out as cash prizes to winners anyway...so is this more of a time-saving move by Price, then? I think it's a good move...of all the TV nowadays, I think that prize descriptions might be the least DVR-proof of them all.
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I would have $5,000 offered in the following games on occasion: Bonus Game, Shell Game, Secret X, Hi-Lo, & Cliff Hangers.
I would offer $10,000 sometimes in Grocery Game, and maybe $25,000 on Check Out.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'206682\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 02:31 PM\']EDIT: I've heard that a lot of the mid-level prizes are given out as cash prizes to winners anyway...[/quote]Really? I thought that the reason we see some prizes more often (the $7213 Beachcomber spa, for instance) was because contestants forfeited them back to the show.
I don't know how to feel about this. One one hand, the contestants will be pleased, I imagine, and will display more energy than they would for a bedroom set or a grandfather clock. On the other hand, this does sort of feed into a thread I started before about the show focusing too much on cash and cars. On yet another hand, if it means that small prize games and grocery games that don't offer cash will get played more often, adding more variety to the game line-ups, then I would enjoy its occasional use. On still another hand, it makes me worry that the show is having trouble getting sponsored prizes, like they have with groceries for a while.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'206682\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 02:31 PM\']
EDIT: I've heard that a lot of the mid-level prizes are given out as cash prizes to winners anyway...so is this more of a time-saving move by Price, then?[/quote]I believe this applies to the prizes that aren't sponsored at all (computers, some appliances). Better off giving the contestant cash and keeping just the one laptop "in stock", I guess.
John or someone else can correct me if I'm wrong.
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I could easily be wrong here, but I've never heard of the show giving out a cash equivalent to a prize unless the prize suddenly became unavailable.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'206692\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 12:55 PM\']
I could easily be wrong here, but I've never heard of the show giving out a cash equivalent to a prize unless the prize suddenly became unavailable.[/quote]
Right. You win a spa, you get a spa, unless it is no longer available.
What is the average value of a Bonus Game/Grocery Game/Range Game prize? If they give away $10,000 - $25,000 every time one of these games is won, it's going to jack up the prize budget.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206694\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 04:39 PM\']
What is the average value of a Bonus Game/Grocery Game/Range Game prize? If they give away $10,000 - $25,000 every time one of these games is won, it's going to jack up the prize budget.
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From what I've seen, the Bonus and Grocery Games are probably between $2,500-5,000. Range Game, IIRC is anywhere from $7,500 to over $10,000...I'll let one of the more avid watchers confirm or deny...
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206694\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 04:39 PM\']
What is the average value of a Bonus Game/Grocery Game/Range Game prize?
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Season 37:
Range: $11,962
Bonus: $14,996
Grocery: $5,726
Overall: $9,874
Season 36:
Range: $10,475
Bonus: $12,150
Grocery: $10,416
Overall: $9,996
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Maybe this could be the answer to speeding up the one bids...Rich: "It's a box of money"...Drew: "Okay, Ovarius, how much money is in that box?" No item description/sponsor necessary and they get right to the bids. Change up the money container(box, bag, coffee can, etc.) and you've got a real winner.
All kidding aside, this has a bad vibe about it, but I'll give it a chance. Opening up a little more free time is the one positive. I gave Drew a chance, originally liked what I saw and now it's just...'eh'. I listen while I do computer work but it's not appointment TV anymore.
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I really don't see a problem with this. As a contestant, I'd much rather go on a game show and win something I'd be able to keep ($5,000 - $7,500 cash) than something I can't (trip, large prize) because I can't afford the taxes.
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Slightly off-topic here... but in regards to the Ludia developed game, it's selling incredibly well on the Wii system.
I would not be surprised to see a full-on sequel by year's end...
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'206696\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 02:02 PM\']
[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206694\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 04:39 PM\']
What is the average value of a Bonus Game/Grocery Game/Range Game prize?
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Season 37:
Range: $11,962
Bonus: $14,996
Grocery: $5,726
Overall: $9,874
Season 36:
Range: $10,475
Bonus: $12,150
Grocery: $10,416
Overall: $9,996
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Playing armchair producer, you could play these for $5,000 each and it would be a nice take for the contestant.
Do you have stats for other games which are likely to be played for cash instead of prize(s)?
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I agree with you Chris. An offer of $5000 to $7500 cash is a great alternative, as long as the prize to be offered was already being paid for by the show and not sponsored. My only fear with hearing the idea that cash will be used in some of these game as the big prize is that rather than "substituting" a cash equivalent amount (of the paid for, not retail value), they will instead over inflate it to $10,000 because "it sounds and looks better", "$5000 looks cheap", etc. reasons, which in turn will defeat the whole purpose of offering the cash and cause them even more budget problems than already exist.
Which brings me to one weird thing- why are so many of the IUFB's not sponsored, yet when they get to a game it is a sponsored prize? Since they know the IUFB is a DEFINITE giveaway, it would seem to me to help the budget by making sure it's always sponsored and, as a result, at a much reduced cost (if any). That way, the "risk" factor for non-sponsored (paid for) items drops. Just a thought...
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Y'know, reading Chris' post, I thought, wait, you know, you can't really play Range Game for cash. And now I worry that they'll try to make that happen.
R.
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[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'206710\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 07:36 PM\']
Y'know, reading Chris' post, I thought, wait, you know, you can't really play Range Game for cash. And now I worry that they'll try to make that happen.
R.
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Perhaps the contestant could be blindfolded. :)
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[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'206710\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 08:36 PM\']
Y'know, reading Chris' post, I thought, wait, you know, you can't really play Range Game for cash. And now I worry that they'll try to make that happen.
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...and you would still have people who would lose the game!!!
I was thinking if they really were to go all out for replacing prize games for cash, I'd see Fremantle doing screwing with the Clock Game.
<DREW> "Okay, Sarah, you guessed the correct amount of $1346 as the 1st prize . And now the 2nd prize is again a mystery amount of money between $0 and $2500. Correctly guess the amount and win it plus the $1346 amount plus a $1000 bonus!"
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206705\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 06:41 PM\']
Do you have stats for other games which are likely to be played for cash instead of prize(s)?
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I just pulled those from here. (http://\"http://tpirsummaries.8m.com/Season37/PGStats.html\")
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you can't really play Range Game for cash
LOL! I should THINK before I type!
I just pulled those from here.
Wow, it's like looking inside Ted's brain!
Note to Steve: I can say that here :-P
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'206720\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 09:38 PM\']
I just pulled those from here. (http://\"http://tpirsummaries.8m.com/Season37/PGStats.html\")
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No wonder my averages were off in my post. They've thrown in a lot more cars this season it seems...
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Well, here's a list of the games that offer one prize with value announced before the game that could conceivably fall into the category of switch-prize-for-cash:
- Bonus Game
- Bullseye
- Check-Out
- Cliff Hangers
- Grocery Game
- Hi Lo
- Hole-in-One (played for a car)
- Master Key
- Now... Or Then
- Safe Crackers (main prize)
- Secret "X"
- Shell Game
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Since they know the IUFB is a DEFINITE giveaway, it would seem to me to help the budget by making sure it's always sponsored and, as a result, at a much reduced cost (if any). That way, the "risk" factor for non-sponsored (paid for) items drops.
I'm not sure what you mean. The fee or discount applies for the mention of the prize/manufacturer (plug) regardless of whether or not it is won.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'206698\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 06:20 PM\']
I really don't see a problem with this. As a contestant, I'd much rather go on a game show and win something I'd be able to keep ($5,000 - $7,500 cash) than something I can't (trip, large prize) because I can't afford the taxes.
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I 100% agree with the cash winning comment. I have a friend who appeared on many games in the early/mid 80s and he always told me when he auditioned he made sure it was for games that had cash prizes and were one on one competitions...Card Sharks, Scrabble, etc. My real issue with most PiR games going cash only would be monotony. Setting up each game as a car game would get old very fast, so cash would most likely fall into the same repetitiveness, unless they can set up different levels for quality of play, sort of like Step Up that has some gambling involved. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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I mean, if you have only so many sponsored items, why waste them on games that aren't dependent on their prices? I think they should just get the art department to make three big-ass cardboard dollar bills: $5,000, $7,500 and $10,000. When one of these games is played, open the doors and show the model holding one of those.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'206723\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 08:55 PM\']
Well, here's a list of the games that offer one prize with value announced before the game that could conceivably fall into the category of switch-prize-for-cash:
- Bonus Game
- Bullseye
- Check-Out
- Cliff Hangers
- Grocery Game
- Hi Lo
- Hole-in-One (played for a car)
- Master Key
- Now... Or Then
- Safe Crackers (main prize)
- Secret "X"
- Shell Game
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There's also Pick-A-Pair and 2 for the Price of 1.
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I forgot to note that it was likely incomplete. ;)
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[quote name=\'golden-road\' post=\'206735\' date=\'Jan 21 2009, 01:18 AM\']
How about Spelling Bee? Simply replace CAR with WIN.[/quote]Someone who obviously didn't read the first post:
some of the small prize/grocery product pricing games which are currently played for bonus prize packages
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206724\' date=\'Jan 20 2009, 07:56 PM\']
Since they know the IUFB is a DEFINITE giveaway, it would seem to me to help the budget by making sure it's always sponsored and, as a result, at a much reduced cost (if any). That way, the "risk" factor for non-sponsored (paid for) items drops.
I'm not sure what you mean. The fee or discount applies for the mention of the prize/manufacturer (plug) regardless of whether or not it is won.
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Sorry, I'll try and clarify. If the prize is "An HDTV. This 50" LCD HDTV delivers crystal clear sound and quality" makes no mention of a manufacturer. While the show may receive a discount from their prize supplier, it is still a almost retail purchase of the prize since there is no mention of any sponsor, whether it be the manufacturer or the supplier. However, if it says "An HDTV. The Samsung 50 inch LCD delivers crystal clear sound and quality thanks to it's 50,000:1 resolution, Digital surround sound speaker processor, and clear cabinet. It's like looking into the future. From Samsung Electronics". In this case, this TV is likely very close to free for the show, or much lower in price than the first one. My only thought along those lines is it would seem to me that if you have a 100% certainty that the prize is being given away, as in an IUFB, would you not want to utilize a prize which impacts your budget at a greatly reduced price, especially one which is said to be very over currently?
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I doubt it would work that way... besides, then you'd have cars UFB followed by a pricing game for a dishwasher and a supply of chili?
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it would seem to me that if you have a 100% certainty that the prize is being given away, as in an IUFB, would you not want to utilize a prize which impacts your budget at a greatly reduced price, especially one which is said to be very over currently?
No, because the discount (if any) applies whether or not the prize is won. They get a discount for plugging the prize and mentioning the manufacturer's name, win or lose. If the prize is offered as part of a stage game and the game is lost, they can offer that prize again -- it's already bought and paid for. So it makes a little more sense economically to use those prizes in stage games.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'206772\' date=\'Jan 21 2009, 07:18 PM\']
it would seem to me that if you have a 100% certainty that the prize is being given away, as in an IUFB, would you not want to utilize a prize which impacts your budget at a greatly reduced price, especially one which is said to be very over currently?
No, because the discount (if any) applies whether or not the prize is won. They get a discount for plugging the prize and mentioning the manufacturer's name, win or lose. If the prize is offered as part of a stage game and the game is lost, they can offer that prize again -- it's already bought and paid for. So it makes a little more sense economically to use those prizes in stage games.
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Thanks for shedding light on this. I think he was operating on the assumption that if a plugless prize was not won, it could be returned and not paid for.