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Quick question for the experts. Who owns the rights to "Concentration?" Specifically "Classic Concentration." Is it NBC or Fremantle?
Thanks for the help!
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[quote name=\'DJDustman\' post=\'215863\' date=\'May 15 2009, 01:53 PM\']Quick question for the experts. Who owns the rights to "Concentration?" Specifically "Classic Concentration." Is it NBC or Fremantle?
Thanks for the help![/quote]
My best guess is NBC. They bought the format from Barry-Enright just befvore the scandals. Goodson produced all those decades under license from NBC. but as this is not my primary area of expertise, you might want to use a lifeline for confirmation ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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[quote name=\'tvrandywest\' post=\'215868\' date=\'May 15 2009, 05:30 PM\'][quote name=\'DJDustman\' post=\'215863\' date=\'May 15 2009, 01:53 PM\']Quick question for the experts. Who owns the rights to "Concentration?" Specifically "Classic Concentration." Is it NBC or Fremantle?
Thanks for the help![/quote]
My best guess is NBC. They bought the format from Barry-Enright just befvore the scandals. Goodson produced all those decades under license from NBC. but as this is not my primary area of expertise, you might want to use a lifeline for confirmation ;-)
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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I was under the impression that Fremantle had it. Didn't Grundy do the Concentration revival in Austrailia a few years ago?
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You can own the international copyright to a show and still not own the format. Randy is correct. NBC still holds all rights to Concentration. When GSN has tried to get Classic Concentration, they had to go to NBC who, 'til this day, has said no.
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The 2007 Concentration PC game released by Freeze Tag is listed in-game as being licensed by Universal, which as we (should) know is a division of the larger NBC Universal.
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Didn't Jim Victory own a piece of it?
You can own the international copyright to a show and still not own the format.
I doubt that is the case. Grundy likely licenses the format from NBC.
I own the radio rights to Concentration.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'215880\' date=\'May 15 2009, 05:31 PM\']Didn't Jim Victory own a piece of it?[/quote]
Per The Perfessor, just distribution, no ownership.
I own the radio rights to Concentration.
"What does the puzzle say?"
"What puzzle?"
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Has GSN ever really tried to get CC? NBC has no problems with making deals with GSN for "Twenty One," "Dog Eat Dog," "Weakest Link" "Next Action Hero" "Deal or No Deal," "1 vs. 100," etc. Maybe GSN doesn't want Concentration.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'215890\' date=\'May 15 2009, 09:58 PM\']Has GSN ever really tried to get CC? NBC has no problems with making deals with GSN for "Twenty One," "Dog Eat Dog," "Weakest Link" "Next Action Hero" "Deal or No Deal," "1 vs. 100," etc. Maybe GSN doesn't want Concentration.[/quote]
On the Wikipedia page for Concentration, under "Episode status," it is said that GSN did try to get the episodes, but NBC wouldn't go through with the deal for undisclosed reasons. I had put one of those "Citation needed" links next to the statement, but someone quickly removed it.
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I'd say the truth is probably in there somewhere, it's just changed a bit over time. More than likely, GSN pursued it in the network's early years, but NBC would have none of it. At this point, when GSN can't even be bothered to hold on to Card Sharks any more, I doubt it's high on their list of acquisition priorities.
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When GSN first started in 94' the show was off of NBC like, what, a year (although in reruns)? Maybe NBC initially thought they were going to do something else with the show eventually (new syndie revival, rerun again in the future, etc) and they wanted to hold onto the reruns. Personally, today (after not being shown for over 15 years), I think if GSN would show interest, NBC might come off of them now. What good is a 20 year old show doing sitting on the shelf? If I was running a network and someone would want to buy rerun rights to a show that has been dormant for years, I would look at that as a source of income and say take what you want, especially in this economy.
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I don't care so much about C.C., but I'd give my Right Guard to see some regular episodes of the Downs/Clayton run. (I do have the few Tournament of Champions kines that are on the circuit.)
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Do we know how much NBC has of the original run in their vaults? Or the Narz run for that matter. That's the one I'm dying to see more of.
Greg
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Or the Narz run for that matter. That's the one I'm dying to see more of.
Agreed on that. The Narz version was seen at 1 PM in my area when it debuted in '73. Every day I could always watch the first half of the show at lunch before I had to head off back to school. It was a childhood favorite - and at least they SHOWED the board!
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I agree w/both Greg and Ian...the Narz version seems to be seriously under-represented in the trading circuit, and having only caught 2 complete eps (that 1974 ep @ the Paley Center, and the possible 1978 finale that's been floating around for ages), would def love to see more of it...glad Edd Kalehoff's oh-so-Moogy music package is making the rounds, though!
Chuck Donegan (The Grateful "Chuckie Baby")
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The Wiki page says that Steve Beverly said that the Narz edition was intact...
I know I shouldn't take the Wiki too seriously, but how does he know that?
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It makes sense, though...syndie shows weren't @ the mercy of the networks, so they'd most likely be intact.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Well, that's the odd thing about Concentration. It was syndicated and also at the mercy of NBC since they owned the rights to it.
Greg
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'215880\' date=\'May 15 2009, 06:31 PM\']Didn't Jim Victory own a piece of it?[/quote]
The only involvement Jim Victory had with Concentration was as the syndicator of the 1970s syndicated run. I believe that in order to put the 1970s syndicated run on GSN, Sony would have to get the okay from NBC, Jim Victory, and FreMantle. If just one of them were to say "no", then there would be no reruns.
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Jim Victory Television:
A) No longer exists,
and B) as former syndicator, has no claim to the show. They also syndicated both Match Game PM and the 79-82 weekday runs, and nobody had to get their permission to run those on GSN.
Fremantle would have no rights either I would think. G-T was a producer-for-hire as far as that goes. They had no ownership stake.
Greg
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Fremantle would have no righs either I would think. G-T was a producer-for-hire as far as that goes. They had no ownership stake.
You are correct. No version of Concentration was part of the Goodson inventory of formats.
I don't know if Jim Victory is even still living.
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How does one explain the "Distributed by Victory Television" credit on the Trebek version?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'216485\' date=\'May 25 2009, 12:40 AM\']How does one explain the "Distributed by Victory Television" credit on the Trebek version?[/quote]
Where was it on the Trebek version? The only place I could find it was on the pilot and I'm pretty sure that was strictly licensed for syndication...unless of course, I'm missing something.
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It was on during the full credit rolls. What about Buddy Piper?
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That is interesting. I never noticed that. Maybe had something to do with their deal to syndicate what would have been the 1985 version? Another note, the only shows besides Match Game and Concentration that I ever knew to be distributed by Jim Victory were the MTM library (except The Mary Tyler Moore Show and The Bob Newhart Show which were both distributed by Viacom).
Greg
EDIT: Here's exactly what was posted on the Perf's site:
Q: Why haven't reruns of Concentration ever been shown on GSN?
A: That's a complicated issue. Game Show Network definitely wanted Concentration back in 1994 because some of the Hugh Downs episodes were repeated in a limited number of markets for a short period. USA Network bought the rights to air reruns of Classic Concentration with Alex Trebek in the mid-'90s after Game Show Network was already on cable. The Jack Narz version from the '70s (as well as the Classic version) was distributed by Jim Victory, a Florida-based syndicator who also sold Match Game P.M..
Here's where the complications set in: NBC actually still owns Concentration, which it obtained when it bought out the assets of Jack Barry and Dan Enright at the height of the quiz scandals in the late 1950s. When Goodson-Todman produced its two versions of Concentration, the format and name were merely licensed to Mark Goodson by NBC (as the only game show format Goodson-Todman ever produced which the company did not develop itself).
We were told by an executive of GSN in early 1995 that NBC, for unexplained and puzzling reasons, refused to allow any version of Concentration to be released in reruns and was not going to allow any further distribution of Classic Concentration after its USA Network run ended. What's puzzling about why NBC would take that stance is the network has never developed a new version of the format in the 15 years since it left television.
That's also a sore spot with Jack Narz. Jack told us a few years ago that Jim Victory was sitting on the five years of the '70s Concentration. He didn't realize at the time that NBC, which has the right to do so, would not allow Victory to sell those episodes. Too bad. That would have been the most lucrative payoff for reruns Jack would have had. Concentration was his longest-running game show.
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Victory also syndicated "The Streets of San Francisco" prior to Worldvision/Evergreen. The prof is incorrect about CC ever airing on USA Network.
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When Goodson-Todman produced its two versions of Concentration, the format and name were merely licensed to Mark Goodson by NBC
I believe the Perf is also wrong about this. AFAIK Goodson was hired to produce Concentration. His company was paid a fee to produce the shows, which is a whole different proposition from licensing the format from the network.
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Classic Concentration never made it to air on USA, did it?
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'216505\' date=\'May 25 2009, 09:54 AM\']Classic Concentration never made it to air on USA, did it?[/quote]
Nope. Not a single G/T produced show ever made it through to USA's lineup. I wonder why?
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' post=\'216506\' date=\'May 25 2009, 12:21 PM\'][quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'216505\' date=\'May 25 2009, 09:54 AM\']Classic Concentration never made it to air on USA, did it?[/quote]
Nope. Not a single G/T produced show ever made it through to USA's lineup. I wonder why?
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I always found that weird too, considering CBN aired Card Sharks and Blockbusters during the mid-80s.
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When did USA stop showing game shows?
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'216514\' date=\'May 25 2009, 03:04 PM\']When did USA stop showing game shows?[/quote]
I believe it was late 1995.
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I believe it was late 1995
October, I believe. That's when People's Court and Love Connection joined the lineup. About a year later, Big Date came along.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' post=\'216520\' date=\'May 25 2009, 05:25 PM\']
I believe it was late 1995
October, I believe. That's when People's Court and Love Connection joined the lineup. About a year later, Big Date came along.
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Correct. Family Channel dropped their lineup soon thereafter. 1995 was a pretty crummy year for game shows across the board.
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95 was bad unless you were one of the few that had GSN. If you had GSN it was the best year ever. :)
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95 was bad unless you were one of the few that had GSN. If you had GSN it was the best year ever. :)
As one of the lucky few to have it that year...I agree totally!