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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: HYHYBT on June 11, 2009, 03:35:48 PM
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I just got to wondering: Bill Cullen hosted more game shows than anyone else, but who hosted the most *revivals*? My first guess would be Alex Trebek, with Jeopardy, Classic Concentration, To Tell The Truth, New Battlestars, and the second version of High Rollers (and maybe something else I've forgotten). But who else has done a lot of them, and has anyone done more than five?
(hey, it beats nitpicking TPIR to death again, no matter how large some of those nits may be)
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If I'm counting right, Tom Kennedy hosted remakes or revivals of Doctor IQ, Name That Tune, Password, The Price is Right and his own You Don't Say. Break the Bank was not a revival, just a resurrection of the name. He was also not the original host of It's Your Bet, but that doesn't count as a revival.
Depending on how literally you define "revival" though, Mr. Cullen may have the record himself. He was not the original host for a lot of shows in the fifties that would go in and out of production, switch networks and otherwise confound TV historians. And does his version of Pyramid count, since the original wasn't really out of production at the time?
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Eubanks did Dream House and CS plus at least three revivals of TNG. Rayburn did three: MG '7x, MG/HS, and Break the Bank (but, again, not strictly a revival). Monty Hall hosted three revivals of LMAD and one of Split Second.
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Seems to me like this might go not only to the same host, but the same show...Mike Stokey's Pantomime Quiz,
with...no exaggeration....at least twelve different runs.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'217785\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 01:01 PM\']Mike Stokey's Pantomime Quiz, with...no exaggeration....at least twelve different runs.[/quote]
Does it count, though, if it's a scheduled temporary series? I mean, by that argument, Jeff Probst and Survivor (if you consider it a game show, which I don't, but go with me here) beats it easily.
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Woolery could be considered for at least three as well...
-Scrabble 93
-Dating Game 97
-Lingo
I keep thinking I'm missing something...it's technically not a game show, but was there ever a break from Love Connection in the late-80s or early-90s? If so, it could be 4 or 3.5, depending on how you look at it.
Jim Lange also has three: Dating Game in the 70s, the one-week Newlywed Game and Name That Tune, both 1984.
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Are we considering the 1985 run of syndicated TPIR to be a revival of the previous syndie run, or a spinoff of daytime TPIR?
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Ricki Lake. :)
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'217783\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 02:48 PM\']Eubanks did Dream House and CS plus at least three revivals of TNG. Rayburn did three: MG '7x, MG/HS, and Break the Bank (but, again, not strictly a revival). Monty Hall hosted three revivals of LMAD and one of Split Second.[/quote]
And All-New Beat the Clock.
Let's see: Wink did Can You Top This?, the second run of Tic Tac Dough, Las Vegas Gambit, and the third run of High Rollers. Geoff Edwards did The New Treasure Hunt, Jackpot '89, and Chain Reaction. Allen Ludden did two Password revivals, Win With the Stars (a revival of Wink's What's That Song?) and The Liar's Club.
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So far, George Grey is good for two. Extreme Gong and TWL.
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Regis Philbin would be good for three: Super Millionaire, 2009 primetime Millionaire and Million Dollar Password.
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John O'Hurley's already got two - FF and TTTT2K
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' post=\'217812\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:42 PM\']John O'Hurley's already got two - FF and TTTT2K[/quote]
Tying him with Bob Barker.
So now we're down to naming people with two revivals under their belt, when the OP asked for five. Who wants to be the first person to mention the ones who just have one?
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'217814\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:49 PM\']So now we're down to naming people with two revivals under their belt, when the OP asked for five. Who wants to be the first person to mention the ones who just have one?[/quote]
Rossi Moreale. What do I win? ;-)
/And Happy Birthday!
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'217793\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 04:41 PM\']Ricki Lake. :)[/quote]
If we count Game Show Marathon, Rikki hosted SEVEN revivals, but they were all one-shot deals, so I know some people wouldn't count those as revivals, per se.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'217815\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:50 PM\']Rossi Moreale. What do I win? ;-)[/quote]
Temptation dollars, of course.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'217818\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 06:09 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'217815\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:50 PM\']Rossi Moreale. What do I win? ;-)[/quote]
Temptation dollars, of course.
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And lots of love.
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[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'217792\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 04:24 PM\']Are we considering the 1985 run of syndicated TPIR to be a revival of the previous syndie run, or a spinoff of daytime TPIR?[/quote]
I'd call it an addition to the daytime run, but for this purpose it doesn't matter.
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'217780\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 03:35 PM\']I just got to wondering: Bill Cullen hosted more game shows than anyone else, but who hosted the most *revivals*? My first guess would be Alex Trebek, with Jeopardy, Classic Concentration, To Tell The Truth, New Battlestars, and the second version of High Rollers (and maybe something else I've forgotten). But who else has done a lot of them, and has anyone done more than five?[/quote]
Don't forget Alex hosted the second season of $128,000 Question (revival of $64k)! That gives him six!
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[quote name=\'Bob Zager\' post=\'217833\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 08:02 PM\']Don't forget Alex hosted the second season of $128,000 Question (revival of $64k)! That gives him six![/quote]Could we count Super Jeopardy! for seven?
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'217780\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 03:35 PM\']New Battlestars, and the second version of High Rollers[/quote]
How much of a gap between the two was there in these cases, though? I'm not saying they *don't* count, but I have a hard time thinking of it as a "revival" when it pops up in the space of a year or two with the same host and (in the case of Battlestars) damn near the same game. :) (See Tattletales '84.) Strictly my own semantics, mind you. :)
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'217834\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:08 PM\']Could we count Super Jeopardy! for seven?[/quote]
REALLY no. I understand my own semantic hang-up with regard to what constitutes "revival," but you can't "revive" something that didn't exist in the first place, nor can you "revive" something that is currently running in syndication, just because it's on a network in prime time now.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'217834\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:08 PM\'][quote name=\'Bob Zager\' post=\'217833\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 08:02 PM\']Don't forget Alex hosted the second season of $128,000 Question (revival of $64k)! That gives him six![/quote]Could we count Super Jeopardy! for seven?
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Anything that gets him above Rikki freakin' Lake is fine by me.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'217834\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 08:08 PM\'][quote name=\'Bob Zager\' post=\'217833\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 08:02 PM\']Don't forget Alex hosted the second season of $128,000 Question (revival of $64k)! That gives him six![/quote]Could we count Super Jeopardy! for seven?
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Since it aired during the show's run, I count that as a mere counterpart, like Howie hosting daytime D/ND.
And even though it's in jest, I count GS Marathon as one-time specials, so Ricki wouldn't make the list if she tried.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'217837\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:13 PM\']Since it aired during the show's run, I count that as a mere counterpart, like Howie hosting daytime D/ND.
And even though it's in jest, I count GS Marathon as one-time specials, so Ricki wouldn't make the list if she tried.[/quote]
QFT on both counts.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'217835\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 08:09 PM\'][quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'217780\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 03:35 PM\']New Battlestars, and the second version of High Rollers[/quote]
How much of a gap between the two was there in these cases, though?
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A little less than a year (canceled 4/23/82, reappeared 4/4/83). I'm wondering if NBC simply put it on "hiatus", with every intention of bringing it back?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'217839\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:16 PM\']A little less than a year (canceled 4/23/82, reappeared 4/4/83). I'm wondering if NBC simply put it on "hiatus", with every intention of bringing it back?[/quote]
Right, I knew Battlestars was a quick turnaround, but I can't remember the gap between High Rollers and High Rollers With Columns. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'217841\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 08:28 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'217839\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:16 PM\']A little less than a year (canceled 4/23/82, reappeared 4/4/83). I'm wondering if NBC simply put it on "hiatus", with every intention of bringing it back?[/quote]
Right, I knew Battlestars was a quick turnaround, but I can't remember the gap between High Rollers and High Rollers With Columns. :)
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June 1976 to April 1978.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'217842\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:29 PM\']June 1976 to April 1978.[/quote]
I thank Our Don. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'217841\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 08:28 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'217839\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:16 PM\']A little less than a year (canceled 4/23/82, reappeared 4/4/83). I'm wondering if NBC simply put it on "hiatus", with every intention of bringing it back?[/quote]
Right, I knew Battlestars was a quick turnaround, but I can't remember the gap between High Rollers and High Rollers With Columns. :)
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Duly noted, and I thank Our Don as well. :-)
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I think I may have a winner. Matt mentioned Tom Kennedy with 5 shows earlier. I'm also counting "It's Your Bet" as a revival of brother Jack's "I'll Bet." "Body Language-Showoffs" and "Wordplay-Call My Bluff" (okay maybe stretching).
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'217846\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:35 PM\']"Body Language-Showoffs" and "Wordplay-Call My Bluff" (okay maybe stretching).[/quote]
Yep, to my way of thinking, these are really a stretch. The former moreso than the latter, since charades-on-TV is hardly an original concept. :)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'217847\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 08:41 PM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'217846\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:35 PM\']"Body Language-Showoffs" and "Wordplay-Call My Bluff" (okay maybe stretching).[/quote]
Yep, to my way of thinking, these are really a stretch. The former moreso than the latter, since charades-on-TV is hardly an original concept. :)[/quote]
And of course this whole thread is an exercise in YMMV. Though I agree that neither should count, I can see a lot more of a direct line between Showoffs and Body Language. Same producer, same general celebrity-civilian structure. In fact, if you think in terms of the evolution of Password, Body Language is essentially Showoffs Plus.
Still, It's Your Bet should absolutely have counted, so Jimmy Narz would appear to be our winner.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'217853\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 06:38 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'217847\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 08:41 PM\'][quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'217846\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 05:35 PM\']"Body Language-Showoffs" and "Wordplay-Call My Bluff" (okay maybe stretching).[/quote]
Yep, to my way of thinking, these are really a stretch. The former moreso than the latter, since charades-on-TV is hardly an original concept. :)[/quote]
And of course this whole thread is an exercise in YMMV. Though I agree that neither should count, I can see a lot more of a direct line between Showoffs and Body Language. Same producer, same general celebrity-civilian structure. In fact, if you think in terms of the evolution of Password, Body Language is essentially Showoffs Plus.[/quote]
Exactly. In addition to producer and celebrity-civilian structure, Body Language had the same endgame that Showoffs originally had, except that the first part was limited to 10 words, and it was $100 per word multiplied by 10 for getting all three in round 2 rather than $1 per word and 10/100/1000x for each Round 2 word.
-- Don
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[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'217857\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 07:20 PM\']Exactly. In addition to producer and celebrity-civilian structure, Body Language had the same endgame that Showoffs originally had,[/quote]
Jamming my Devil's Advocate hat down around my ears, I'll point out two things: one, BL had one fewer celebrity on a side than Showoffs, and two, if we're going to say "close enough" there, then I can apply all of those attributes to the original Chain Reaction and Go.
(Which proves nothing more than Matt's point about M's V-ing.)
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Is Dick Clark in the running for the 6-revival club?
For him, I have these:
* The $10,000 Pyramid (moving to ABC in 1974 six weeks after CBS canned it)
* The $50,000 Pyramid
* The (New) $25,000 Pyramid
* The second coming of The (New) $25,000 Pyramid {after Blackout didn't work out}
* The Challengers (update of The Who, What Or Where Game)
* It Takes Two (albeit brief fun on FAM)
As it was a companion show to the CBS counterpart, The $100,000 Pyramid is not included in the above listing.
Missing Links wasn't included since it simply went off NBC on a Friday and reappeared the following Monday on ABC with Dick Clark as the new host.
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I know this is arbitrary, and it wasn't my thread, but I just have a problem with counting the same guy hosting a revival of his own show more than once.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'217871\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 11:36 PM\']I know this is arbitrary, and it wasn't my thread, but I just have a problem with counting the same guy hosting a revival of his own show more than once.[/quote]
To my reasoning, if you can count him hosting one revival of his own show, you can count him hosting more than one, unless I'm misunderstanding your statement.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'217875\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 11:40 PM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'217871\' date=\'Jun 11 2009, 11:36 PM\']I know this is arbitrary, and it wasn't my thread, but I just have a problem with counting the same guy hosting a revival of his own show more than once.[/quote]
To my reasoning, if you can count him hosting one revival of his own show, you can count him hosting more than one, unless I'm misunderstanding your statement.
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No, you understand, we just disagree. As I said, I realize my way is arbitrary.
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Yeah, of the four versions of the Pyramid you cite, I'd count the first $25K show, at best, and only that. Switching networks does not a revival make. Anything from Original Recipe on through the $50K show counts as the original run, to my eyes.
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Does Pyramid at least win for the most title changes over its runs?
No, I guess that would go to The Match Game, wouldn't it?
I am just a big honkin' jackpot wad of epic fail.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'217895\' date=\'Jun 12 2009, 07:40 AM\']Does Pyramid at least win for the most title changes over its runs?
No, I guess that would go to The Match Game, wouldn't it?
I am just a big honkin' jackpot wad of epic fail.[/quote]
Well, to be fair, it's close.
$10k Pyramid
$20k Pyramid
$25k Pyramid
$50k Pyramid
New $25k Pyramid
$100k Pyramid
Pyramid
(Whatever the new revival will be called if it makes it and it is different.)
So that's 7 or 8 if you count the last one.
Match Game 73
Match Game 74
Match Game 75
Match Game 76
Match Game 77
Match Game 78
Match Game 79
Match Game
Match Game PM
So that's 9. 10 if you want to count the MGHSH.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'217932\' date=\'Jun 12 2009, 03:32 PM\']Match Game 73
Match Game 74
Match Game 75
Match Game 76
Match Game 77
Match Game 78
Match Game 79
Match Game
Match Game PM
So that's 9. 10 if you want to count the MGHSH.[/quote]
I do count MGHSH plus the show's original title of The Match Game.
Match Game 2 and What The Blank? don't count as they were pilots.
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'217932\' date=\'Jun 12 2009, 03:32 PM\']Match Game 73
Match Game 74
Match Game 75
Match Game 76
Match Game 77
Match Game 78
Match Game 79
Match Game
Match Game PM
So that's 9. 10 if you want to count the MGHSH.[/quote]
If you want to get all weirdy wonky about it, the original series was The Match Game.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'217937\' date=\'Jun 12 2009, 03:46 PM\']I do count MGHSH plus the show's original title of The Match Game.[/quote]
[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'217938\' date=\'Jun 12 2009, 03:47 PM\'][quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'217932\' date=\'Jun 12 2009, 03:32 PM\']Match Game 73
Match Game 74
Match Game 75
Match Game 76
Match Game 77
Match Game 78
Match Game 79
Match Game
Match Game PM
So that's 9. 10 if you want to count the MGHSH.[/quote]
If you want to get all weirdy wonky about it, the original series was The Match Game.
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Jinx! You owe me a Coke.
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I was making a point to not count that. I just don't see how adding a "The" to the beginning makes it a different title. YMMV.
/Reminds me of the "Carpenters" vs. "The Carpenters" discussions.
//According to Richard: "It's just 'The'."
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[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'217942\' date=\'Jun 12 2009, 02:55 PM\']I was making a point to not count that. I just don't see how adding a "The" to the beginning makes it a different title. YMMV.[/quote]
Just ask some of the more, ahem, serious college people at "THE" Ohio State University.
/Very Overrated...
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Oh yeah, "The" makes a big difference. A few years back there was a show on GSN at 4 in the morn. called "Better Sex." Let's just say Bill Anderson wasn't on it.
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Kevin Prather wrote:
Reminds me of the "Carpenters" vs. "The Carpenters" discussions.
They've only just begun.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'217945\' date=\'Jun 12 2009, 04:31 PM\']Oh yeah, "The" makes a big difference. A few years back there was a show on GSN at 4 in the morn. called "Better Sex." Let's just say Bill Anderson wasn't on it.[/quote]
LOL!! Was this a half-hour infomercial about that vibrator device?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'217944\' date=\'Jun 12 2009, 03:11 PM\'][quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'217942\' date=\'Jun 12 2009, 02:55 PM\']I was making a point to not count that. I just don't see how adding a "The" to the beginning makes it a different title. YMMV.[/quote]
Just ask some of the more, ahem, serious college people at "THE" Ohio State University.
/Very Overrated...
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The running gag at my alma mater was our calculus book, authored by Ron Larson and Robert Hostetler at The Pennsylvania State University, The Behrend College (two for the price of one!). Poor Bruce Edwards just taught at University of Florida.