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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: dad1153 on August 02, 2009, 06:38:21 PM
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http://www.thewrap.com/print/4763 (http://\"http://www.thewrap.com/print/4763\")
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/conten...0ba33d24e328b0e (http://\"http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i8ccae23c8456ba4670ba33d24e328b0e\")
http://www.variety.com/article/VR111800681...yid=14&cs=1 (http://\"http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118006810.html?categoryid=14&cs=1\")
There's a possibility "Pyramid" could fly at a later time (mentioned in the Variety story) but for now "Let's Make a Deal" gets the full hour vacated by "GL." Check back Monday when CBS makes an official announcement at the TCA Tour meeting.
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Well if Deal's been picked up as an hour show, I guess Pyramid is dead. Shame, would have liked to see both go into production as half hour shows.
Greg
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I hope Pyramid gets picked up, because for the most part, when it comes to game shows, Embassy Row seemed to "get it".
I can't help but think that Fremantle got the whole hour because of Price, and because they wanted to make sure only their GS stuff was on the network. I can't think of any other reason why CBS wouldn't pick up Pyramid.
But hey, there's no official announcement til tomorrow. I'm keeping the fingers crossed.
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I label this info as suspect until we hear from CBS. Remember that Pyramid has been doing calls for auditions. Why would they do that if they're a no-go?
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^^^ Josef Adalian is a pretty good source for TV news (plenty of insider access) as are THR and Variety. But I agree, the official word from CBS at tomorrow morning's TCA Tour meeting with CBS will tell the tale. Shame that the ability to have product plugs within "Deal's" show is being cited as a key reson for it being picked up. It's such an advantage over the "Pyramid" format, especially in this penny-pinching times for the networks. That and quality contestants nowadays are as hard to find as that damn suitcase with the $500K in the syndie "DOND."
Wonder if Michael Davis and GSN would be interested in a stripped-down version of the "Pyramid" pilot with $5,000 and $10,000 as the top prizes. Then again, after the success of the "Newlywed Game" revival, the "Dating Game" pilot has a better shot at getting the GSN treatment than the cerebral "Pyramid."
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'221747\' date=\'Aug 2 2009, 07:15 PM\']I label this info as suspect until we hear from CBS. Remember that Pyramid has been doing calls for auditions. Why would they do that if they're a no-go?[/quote]
To be prepared, just in case. I imagine reality shows often put out casting calls without even knowing if they will continue to exist.
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Part of me almost wonders if Pyramid was always headed for syndication, especially with the $1,000,000 gimmick.
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[quote name=\'ChrisLambert!\' post=\'221749\' date=\'Aug 2 2009, 07:29 PM\'][quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'221747\' date=\'Aug 2 2009, 07:15 PM\']I label this info as suspect until we hear from CBS. Remember that Pyramid has been doing calls for auditions. Why would they do that if they're a no-go?[/quote]
To be prepared, just in case. I imagine reality shows often put out casting calls without even knowing if they will continue to exist.
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Reality shows have done that for some time -- when I visited my in-laws in Alabama one weekend, the local CBS affiliate was promoting a "Kid Nation Season 2" talent search in Birmingham. This was before Season 1 hit the air. Of course, Season 2 never happened.
I have to wonder if CBS is contemplating a prime-time Pyramid, particularly with the $1,000,000 gimmick.
Congrats to Fremantle, Brady and Monty for getting the call, nonetheless! Hope Fremantle can get it right!
JD
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With that, LMAD would become one of the very few game shows to be on all three major networks. I know two of them are Password and TPIR. Are there any more?
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[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'221751\' date=\'Aug 2 2009, 07:50 PM\']Reality shows have done that for some time -- when I visited my in-laws in Alabama one weekend, the local CBS affiliate was promoting a "Kid Nation Season 2" talent search in Birmingham. This was before Season 1 hit the air. Of course, Season 2 never happened.[/quote]
On one of the first episodes of "The Mole: The Next Betrayal", before they shelved it, I saw a bumper saying to go to ABC's website for instructions on how to register for "Mole 3". The second time they aired that episode, the bumper wasn't there, and "Mole 3" never came about as "Mole 3".
[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'221753\' date=\'Aug 2 2009, 08:03 PM\']With that, LMAD would become one of the very few game shows to be on all three major networks. I know two of them are Password and TPIR. Are there any more?[/quote]
"Match Game" springs immediately to mind.
Here's hoping that LMAD meets a better fate than the last time it was an hour long, and that we get to see "Pyramid".
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[quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'221753\' date=\'Aug 2 2009, 07:03 PM\']With that, LMAD would become one of the very few game shows to be on all three major networks. I know two of them are Password and TPIR. Are there any more?[/quote]
Way back in the dinosaur days, "Down You Go" ran on four networks: ABC, CBS, NBC and DuMont.
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[quote name=\'Queen of Nerdocrombesia\' post=\'221759\' date=\'Aug 2 2009, 07:40 PM\']"Match Game" springs immediately to mind.[/quote]
Fambly Feud, too, if you count the Al Roker show.
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[quote name=\'tomobrien\' post=\'221760\' date=\'Aug 2 2009, 09:44 PM\'][quote name=\'bandit_bobby\' post=\'221753\' date=\'Aug 2 2009, 07:03 PM\']With that, LMAD would become one of the very few game shows to be on all three major networks. I know two of them are Password and TPIR. Are there any more?[/quote]
Way back in the dinosaur days, "Down You Go" ran on four networks: ABC, CBS, NBC and DuMont.
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"LMAD" ran on a fourth, Fox, if you count "Big Deal."
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I'm actually not that shocked- in this economy, having the sponsor plugs is a big advantage (though I don't know if an hour-long show works for LMAD)..still, Wayne Brady is a good fit for this format I think, and if the expectations aren't too high, it could do well.
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One wonders if the main advertisers on LMAD will be Medicare supplement insurers and makers/distributors of mobility scooters and diabeetus supplies.
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Hell has frozen over. This will be the first new network daytime game show in over 15 years, something all of us thought was impossible as recently as 6 months ago, and now it sounds like it's actually going to happen.
As much as I wanted a Pyramid/LMAD combo, at least it isn't The Dating Game, a talk show, a court show, or giving the slot back to the affiliates.
By the way, As The World Turns is now in the same position that Guiding Light was last year; they just got a renewal through September 2010, but if the ratings don't improve (they're in second-to-last place, just ahead of GL), it'll likely be the next soap to go. If LMAD does well, and ATWT goes away, we might be seeing 1 or 2 more game shows to fill the 2 PM hour.
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Well, 1 out of 2(I won't count the Dating Game here) ain't bad. At least the traditionalist in me will be satisfied starting September 21, but the optimist in me sees it as a bit of a surprise that Pyramid didn't get in. Maybe syndication's better for Pyramid I guess with that "$1M" gimmick. I guess the ad support was too strong to even make LMAD a half-hour show so they decided to double the length.
Now the hard part: what to do with an hour-long LMAD without the stinkiness of Billy Bush? We'll see what transpires soon enough.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' post=\'221780\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 03:48 AM\']Now the hard part: what to do with an hour-long LMAD[/quote]
I never saw the very short-lived ABC daytime experiment of an hour-long LMAD in 1975. Did any of you? If so, was it any good? If not, no need to answer.
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I saw it. I even skipped school to see it. :) An hour was too much of a good thing then. With today's commercial load, though, it might work better.
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Considering an hour of daytime TV now is only like 15 more minutes of content than what a half hour was way back when, it might not be so bad as an hour.
Greg
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'221776\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 02:04 AM\']One wonders if the main advertisers on LMAD will be Medicare supplement insurers and makers/distributors of mobility scooters and diabeetus supplies.[/quote]
I hear they've already signed up the catheter lady for live demos. Because it's good to have a fresh catheter.... every time you cath.
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Confirmed by the network for one hour. (http://\"http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/cbs_entertainment/release?id=22376\") No Pyramid.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'221787\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 09:16 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'221776\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 02:04 AM\']One wonders if the main advertisers on LMAD will be Medicare supplement insurers and makers/distributors of mobility scooters and diabeetus supplies.[/quote]
I hear they've already signed up the catheter lady for live demos.
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They've done nothing of the kind. Either your source (if it exists) or you are full of bunk.
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'221790\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 10:52 AM\']Confirmed by the network for one hour. (http://\"http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/cbs_entertainment/release?id=22376\") No Pyramid.[/quote]
Note the preem date of October 5. What, pray, shall run during the intervening two weeks?
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Damn. As much as I'm excited to have daytime game shows again, I really hoped Pyramid would join. My only fear is that if they don't get creative enough, it will just look like a watered down Price is Right. I'm grateful... just disappointed.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221792\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:00 AM\']Damn.[/quote]
Save your damn for if the network changes its mind. Or if the show tanks by Christmas. Begin your damnation then.
Eight minutes into the posting of the official announcement that LMAD got the nod and two months and two days before its premiere and we have the decision being damned already.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221791\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 10:53 AM\']TOP 50000 GAME SHOW EVENTS COUNTDOWN! #50000: Sonny Fox is born.[/quote]
Don, I look forward to your countdown. Is there room on the advisory board for GSF members to help choose these momentus occasions? Also, have you secured a network deal yet? I do believe that the last 10,000 events should be presented during a televised retrospective.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221793\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:03 AM\']Eight minutes into the posting of the official announcement that LMAD got the nod and two months and two days before its premiere and we have the decision being damned already.[/quote]Can I darn, then? I need to repair my socks as it is.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221792\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 10:00 AM\']Damn. As much as I'm excited to have daytime game shows again, I really hoped Pyramid would join. My only fear is that if they don't get creative enough, it will just look like a watered down Price is Right. I'm grateful... just disappointed.[/quote]
Disappointed? We have a new daytime network game show in how long and you're disappointed? What would you rather have - LMaD or a talker or another soap?
My opinion only, but I think part of your post is personal from the fact that you won't be able to try out for the show.
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[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'221794\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:04 AM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221791\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 10:53 AM\']TOP 50000 GAME SHOW EVENTS COUNTDOWN! #50000: Sonny Fox is born.[/quote]
Don, I look forward to your countdown.
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Bless you, my main man.
[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'221794\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:04 AM\']Is there room on the advisory board for GSF members to help choose these momentous occasions?[/quote]
Indeed there is. Hook with me inside The Facebook.
[quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'221794\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:04 AM\']Also, have you secured a network deal yet? I do believe that the last 10,000 events should be presented during a televised retrospective.[/quote]
It will be televised on Tube8. Mindy Vega will co-host.
Returning to topic, I'm thrilled the network didn't back down on going with a game show. And Julie Chen is NOT! hosting. Another plus.
If it flies and the last of the once mighty Procter & Gamble shows (As The World Turns) bites it next year at contract finish, perhaps we'll get that Pyramid hour after all. Maybe it'll be the daytime companion to a prime time edition. Keep faith alive!
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221797\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 10:10 AM\']If it flies and the last of the once mighty Procter & Gamble shows (As The World Turns) bites it next year and contract finish, perhaps we'll get that Pyramid hour after all. Maybe it'll be the daytime companion to a prime time edition. Keep faith alive![/quote]
Amen, Brother Howard.
/"Amen, Brother Howard" is the long-lost companion to another well-known TPiR cue
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'221796\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:07 AM\']My opinion only, but I think part of your post is personal from the fact that you won't be able to try out for the show.[/quote]And who says I can't end up being a gorilla wanting a new car? I'm partially upset (and again, don't get me wrong, I'm very, very glad that a game is back in daytime, it could open up a whirlwind of opportunity) because I prefer a more cerebral game. With Price as an hour show, they can mix it up a little, but an hour of "What's behind door Number 2?" might not keep attention. Don't let my piece of negativity dampen the parade, though, I'm going to watch the new LMAD every opportunity I get.
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[quote name=\'davemackey\' post=\'221787\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 09:16 AM\'][quote name='chris319' post='221776'
Note the preem date of October 5. What, pray, shall run during the intervening two weeks?[/quote]
I could see CBS doing one final tribute to GL and air, say, "10 legendary episodes" from the series during the two weeks in question.
JD
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221795\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:07 AM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221793\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:03 AM\']Eight minutes into the posting of the official announcement that LMAD got the nod and two months and two days before its premiere and we have the decision being damned already.[/quote]Can I darn, then? I need to repair my socks as it is.
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No. That hole in your socks will serve as a reminder of your impulsive iniquity.
Now put on a dress and get ready for your trading floor audition.
Lesse here. 1963-77 (counting the NBC/ABC/SYN initial run as the same), 1980-81, 1984-86, 1990-91, 2003, 2009-. Am I missing any? I do not count Big Deal.
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I blame Dean Cain for all of this...
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[quote name=\'joshg\' post=\'221802\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:18 AM\']I blame Dean Cain for all of this...[/quote]
And I blame Mario Lopez. Do you suppose Monty Hall will give Wayne an anointing during the first show? A Carol Merrill appearance would also be a treat.
I talked to Dean Goss in Facebook chat and he's thrilled the show's coming back and that Monty's given it his blessing. From the for what's it worth department, he said he'd be there in a heartbeat if they wanted him to announce on it. But he's okay with the decision they've made.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221797\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:10 AM\'][quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'221794\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:04 AM\']Also, have you secured a network deal yet? I do believe that the last 10,000 events should be presented during a televised retrospective.[/quote]
It will be televised on Tube8. Mindy Vega will co-host.[/quote]
First, does Bev know that you know who Mindy Vega is?
Second, all original program ideas that are posted on the Game Show Forum become property of the GSF. And we have a first-look agreement with Chrissy Moran.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'221804\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 08:37 AM\']Second, all original program ideas that are posted on the Game Show Forum become property of the GSF. And we have a first-look agreement with Chrissy Moran.[/quote]
Approves (http://\"http://pinstripebindi.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/get_a_brain_morans1.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'221807\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:42 AM\']Approves (http://\"http://pinstripebindi.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/get_a_brain_morans1.jpg\")[/quote]+1
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'221804\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:37 AM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221797\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:10 AM\'][quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'221794\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:04 AM\']Also, have you secured a network deal yet? I do believe that the last 10,000 events should be presented during a televised retrospective.[/quote]
It will be televised on Tube8. Mindy Vega will co-host.[/quote]
First, does Bev know that you know who Mindy Vega is?
Second, all original program ideas that are posted on the Game Show Forum become property of the GSF. And we have a first-look agreement with Chrissy Moran.
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To the first, she does now. 1121 days in and our union continues to hold up to everything.
To the second, it's Crissy[/u] Moran. And it's not original. I got it from gamenut.
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That's great to hear. I'm glad it didn't take almost 30 years for this to happen like it did with Millionaire. Now, this just needs to take off like Millionaire did, and start a resurgence in network daytime. I'm a bit shocked by Pyramid not getting the nod, but if the pilot went as well as I read, I'm sure it'll find a home elsewhere, preferably syndication sometime in 2010...
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Very happy to hear LMAD got picked up. THIS TIME, I'd like to think, they got a person much more suited to the job, with Monty's blessings at that, and with LMAD being a very host-driven show (IMHO), I have good vibes about how this will pan out. There will be no doubt I'll be watching or recording come October... :D
As for Pyramid, I'll reference what I said in another post, in that the approach Embassy Row took with the show, even if CBS didn't pick it up, involving its format, payouts, set, etc. are well-tailored (and I'd also like to think done purposely) to have it easily jump to syndication or even primetime with absolutely no tinkering, at all. Now whether that happens, of course, will be the interesting part, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed it does.
Still, a new network daytime GS, and a classic GS at that. No complaints here, it all sounds like good news to me!
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I'm happy to see that LMAD will be entering the daytime realm once again, however, I also am disappointed that Pyramid will not be coming back along with it. I've always been one who says that you need to stay diversified to keep the games fresh. Putting Pyramid inbetween LMAD and TPIR would have done just that. By placing what, IMO, are 2 very similar shows right next to each other will prove to be hurtful to one of the shows. And since LMAD is the "new kid" on the block, chances are it will likely hurt them the most.
Let's not forget, the classic NBC game show schedule from the 80s always had variety. $ale, Scrabble, WLoD, Classic Concentration, Wheel, and Super Password all had their specific gimmicks and during each shows run, they were always placed in a spot so that each gimmick would not look similar to the show prior or upcoming. That's why NBC has so many classic game shows today. Variety.
While I do hope LMAD for the best, my pessimism is getting the best of me. Don't be surprised if by the end of season 1, or in season 2 we start seeing crossover between LMAD and TPIR be it by contestant or producer design. Still, I give LMAD at least 3-4 years on the air, and will watch it as much as possible, despite Fremantle's reputation of ruining OTHER classic game shows (HINT HINT).
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221810\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:54 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'221804\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:37 AM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221797\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:10 AM\'][quote name=\'vtown7\' post=\'221794\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:04 AM\']Also, have you secured a network deal yet? I do believe that the last 10,000 events should be presented during a televised retrospective.[/quote]
It will be televised on Tube8. Mindy Vega will co-host.[/quote]
First, does Bev know that you know who Mindy Vega is?
Second, all original program ideas that are posted on the Game Show Forum become property of the GSF. And we have a first-look agreement with Chrissy Moran.[/quote]
To the first, she does now. 1121 days in and our union continues to hold up to everything.[/quote]
When I first read Matt's post, I thought he was making a reference to Steve Beverly....
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[quote name=\'ethanmx2\' post=\'221814\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 12:54 PM\']While I do hope LMAD for the best, my pessimism is getting the best of me. Don't be surprised if by the end of season 1, or in season 2 we start seeing crossover between LMAD and TPIR be it by contestant or producer design. Still, I give LMAD at least 3-4 years on the air, and will watch it as much as possible, despite Fremantle's reputation of ruining OTHER classic game shows (HINT HINT).[/quote]
I think CBS will go for the obvious Whose Line connection, and I'm willing to put my next check on a Wayne Brady TPiR cameo sometime between Oct. 2-5. Other than that, I think the two shows' formats interloping will be slim*.
With product placement, if the show is pulling anything better than what Guiding Light did ratings-wise, I don't see CBS not keeping it around. Product placement=profit. LMaD's lower production costs=more money for CBS. Days of Our Lives spends about $1.7 mil a week (I tried to find the thread mentioning that, but Invision says it was possibly moved or deleted); GL with its production costs probably hovered between $750K-1 mil a week. An estimated $400K budget (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=17932&view=findpost&p=215159\") was tossed around for LMaD.
As much as I would've loved to see Pyramid on CBS, I can see the network's decision here.
*When the shows aired concurrently in syndication (1972-1978; 1985-86), did they ever air back-to-back in anyone's markets?
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I was one who wanted Pyramid too, but any new network game show works for me. Now if my CBS affiliate carries it, all will be good.
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Here's a New York Times report on CBS' LMAD announcement today...
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/...-guiding-light/ (http://\"http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/03/whats-behind-that-curtain-lets-make-a-deal-to-replace-guiding-light/\")
Interesting to note that CBS is suggesting that Pyramid and Dating Game are still on the table, perhaps as a replacement for ATWT.
JD
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Hell has frozen over. This will be the first new network daytime game show in over 15 years, something all of us thought was impossible as recently as 6 months ago, and now it sounds like it's actually going to happen.
No Casey, hell would have frozen over if they had put a new game show on, say The Las Vegas Super Jackpot Game. Then we'd have to throw Mr. Obama out of office and put Jimmy Carter or George H.W. Bush back in because it would literally be the '70s/'80s all over again.
Hey, they could have put on the Judge Judy Hour. I just want to know who got to explain the premise of LMAD to Cecile. "Well, a guy dressed as a carrot is offered a choice between what's in the box or what's behind the curtain. It's an American thing."
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'221817\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 12:25 PM\']I think CBS will go for the obvious Whose Line connection, and I'm willing to put my next check on a Wayne Brady TPiR cameo sometime between Oct. 2-5. Other than that, I think the two shows' formats interloping will be slim*.[/quote]
I think the odds of Wayne hosting the 4/1 episode of Price are somewhere in the realm of 85%.
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[quote name=\'colonial\' post=\'221822\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 03:06 PM\']Here's a New York Times report on CBS' LMAD announcement today...
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/...-guiding-light/ (http://\"http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/03/whats-behind-that-curtain-lets-make-a-deal-to-replace-guiding-light/\")
Interesting to note that CBS is suggesting that Pyramid and Dating Game are still on the table, perhaps as a replacement for ATWT.[/quote]
Recalling how often a game show's cancellation was due to the premiere or expansion of a soap opera, it's nice to see the tide turning here. Or is it the world turning? How's about stripping a game show at 10pm weeknights to counterprogram Jay Leno's nightly gabfest/talker? Mayhap Pyramid?
[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'221825\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 03:15 PM\']I think the odds of Wayne hosting the 4/1 episode of Price are somewhere in the realm of 85%.[/quote]
You mean for next year? Oh, I'll give that 100%. Plus, I'll give odds of 99:1 against CBS's P.R. engine keeping quiet about it.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'221825\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 03:15 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'221817\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 12:25 PM\']I think CBS will go for the obvious Whose Line connection, and I'm willing to put my next check on a Wayne Brady TPiR cameo sometime between Oct. 2-5. Other than that, I think the two shows' formats interloping will be slim*.[/quote]
I think the odds of Wayne hosting the 4/1 episode of Price are somewhere in the realm of 85%.
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I like how you think. :-)
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I'll throw this in here, because it relates to CBS at the TSAs and their game shows. When asked (http://\"http://thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8231\") if they have plans to order more "Million Dollar Password," CBS Entertainment President Nina Tassler said, "Right now we don't have any."
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'221816\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 01:15 PM\']When I first read Matt's post, I thought he was making a reference to Steve Beverly....[/quote]
No, no. Two separate Bevs. To differentiate, Stosh is the Bev that I do not sleep with. Please note. Do not sleep with.
My wife Bev and I, however, will be sleeping over at his house when we visit with him in Tennessee. But not in his bed. Not with him in it.
I've canvassed some of my buds today (roughly two dozen) and they all approve of Wayne Brady as the hosting choice. These buds, by the way, are all between the ages of 18-34 and many of them are women. This be the desired demo, yes?
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221828\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 03:35 PM\']I'll throw this in here, because it relates to CBS at the TSAs and their game shows. When asked (http://\"http://thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8231\") if they have plans to order more "Million Dollar Password," CBS Entertainment President Nina Tassler said, "Right now we don't have any."[/quote]
The stinking wench. At least, they ran all of the shows they taped {they did, didn't they?}. Screw her then. This frees up The Reege to record more WWTBAM eppies after this month's batch catches Nielsen fire.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221810\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 11:54 AM\']To the second, it's Crissy[/u] Moran.[/quote]
Merely a hedge in case Claudia is snooping around the board.
"Honestly, sweetie, I couldn't know THAT much about her, I can't even spell her name right!"
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221829\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 03:37 PM\']I've canvassed some of my buds today (roughly two dozen) and they all approve of Wayne Brady as the hosting choice. These buds, by the way, are all between the ages of 18-34 and many of them are women. This be the desired demo, yes?[/quote]
Demo or not, I know someone who does not approve. (http://\"http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/71/79/0000017179_20060921083406.jpg\")
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'221831\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 04:07 PM\']Demo or not, I know someone who does not approve. (http://\"http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/71/79/0000017179_20060921083406.jpg\")[/quote]
Then he can watch something else. He can cram his opinion along with what's her nuts who doesn't want Million Dollar Password back.
Now, who's the fellow that will be the announcer for this?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'221831\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 03:07 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221829\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 03:37 PM\']I've canvassed some of my buds today (roughly two dozen) and they all approve of Wayne Brady as the hosting choice. These buds, by the way, are all between the ages of 18-34 and many of them are women. This be the desired demo, yes?[/quote]
Demo or not, I know someone who does not approve. (http://\"http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/71/79/0000017179_20060921083406.jpg\")
[/quote]
Careful, one of them might have to choke the other...
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221834\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 04:21 PM\']Now, who's the fellow that will be the announcer for this?[/quote]Hollywood Junket (http://\"http://hollywoodjunket.com/blog/2009/07/09/lets-make-a-deal-no-singing-involved/\") reported that the host/sidekick during the pilot was Jonathan Mangum (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0542307/\"), who most notably had a recurring role in the later years of The Drew Carey Show as Scott.
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[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'221825\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 02:15 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'221817\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 12:25 PM\']I think CBS will go for the obvious Whose Line connection, and I'm willing to put my next check on a Wayne Brady TPiR cameo sometime between Oct. 2-5. Other than that, I think the two shows' formats interloping will be slim*.[/quote]
I think the odds of Wayne hosting the 4/1 episode of Price are somewhere in the realm of 85%.
[/quote]
Only if they give Wayne the six simplest pricing games to work with and lots of rehersal time. TPIR is a lot harder for a newbie to host than Wheel or even Jeopardy! -- and even with all the experience over 30 years of hosting experience between them, was anybody really impressed with the way Alex or Pat handled them in 1997?
Glad to see LMaD's coming back, and good for Monty Hall. Hoping he can make a few more bucks for Variety. And about time the 16-year drought ended!
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[quote name=\'Strikerz04\' post=\'221837\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 04:35 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'221831\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 03:07 PM\']
Demo or not, I know someone who does not approve. (http://\"http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/71/79/0000017179_20060921083406.jpg\")[/quote]
Careful, one of them might have to choke the other...
[/quote]
If all you're going to do is compare your genitals, kindly do so behind the schoolhouse so we may continue our discussion on topic.
[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221839\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 04:47 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221834\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 04:21 PM\']Now, who's the fellow that will be the announcer for this?[/quote]Hollywood Junket (http://\"http://hollywoodjunket.com/blog/2009/07/09/lets-make-a-deal-no-singing-involved/\") reported that the host/sidekick during the pilot was Jonathan Mangum (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0542307/\"), who most notably had a recurring role in the later years of The Drew Carey Show as Scott.
[/quote]
How's his voice power?
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For those in the Flint-Saginaw-Bay City market, I emailed WNEM to ask about their planned slot for the show, since they air Guiding Light on their digital subchannel. They say "Tentatively, it's scheduled to run on WNEM-DT2 (MY5) at 10am."
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'221839\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 04:47 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'221834\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 04:21 PM\']Now, who's the fellow that will be the announcer for this?[/quote]Hollywood Junket (http://\"http://hollywoodjunket.com/blog/2009/07/09/lets-make-a-deal-no-singing-involved/\") reported that the host/sidekick during the pilot was Jonathan Mangum (http://\"http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0542307/\"), who most notably had a recurring role in the later years of The Drew Carey Show as Scott.
[/quote]
I nominate a certain GSF member who should've gotten another announcer/sidekick gig a few years back on the same network...
...This provided he passes the mandatory physical and how he looks in a baby's outfit. :)
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For those in the Harrisburg-Lebanon-Lancaster-York market, I emailed WHP's programming department and got a vacation message. I shall actually try the old fashioned way of telephone tomorrow.
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I think it's safe to say it'll run in the same place as GL in most places (I know, stating the obvious). But not all markets run GL in the 9 am/10 am slot. Here in Seattle, I'm guessing KIRO will run LMAD at 2 pm, meaning TPIR and LMAD won't air back to back, unless KIRO does some "shuffling" and decides to put LMAD in at 9 (replacing TP: AP and Family Feud, so it's not out of the question).
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http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/08/03/does-way...-make-a-deal-p/ (http://\"http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/08/03/does-wayne-brady-have-to-choke-a-critic-the-lets-make-a-deal-p/\")
Unless I missed this in a previous post - the nugget in this article is : LMAD will tape in Vegas.
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Brady did a better job of fielding some weirdly uncomfortable questions during the session. When a reporter said "you'd know better than anybody" when she asked if Wayne was the first African-American host of a network game show, he said "Yes (I would), because of the meetings..." He later came back to that theme when he joked that he was the "African-American guiding light of television."
WRONG
nipsey on your number's up
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[quote name=\'gsgalaxy82\' post=\'221866\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 08:12 PM\']I think it's safe to say it'll run in the same place as GL in most places (I know, stating the obvious). But not all markets run GL in the 9 am/10 am slot. Here in Seattle, I'm guessing KIRO will run LMAD at 2 pm, meaning TPIR and LMAD won't air back to back, unless KIRO does some "shuffling" and decides to put LMAD in at 9 (replacing TP: AP and Family Feud, so it's not out of the question).[/quote]
WTKR airs GL at 3pm, and I'm guessing they'll put LMaD there, although 10am makes a good lead-in to TPiR. 'TKR also airs D/ND from 4-5, so this would make a decent lead-in for that as well.
/They could call it "Let's Make a Deal or No Deal"!
[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'221873\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 09:25 PM\']He later came back to that theme when he joked that he was the "African-American guiding light of television."
WRONG
nipsey on your number's up[/quote]
Actually, Adam Wade on Musical Chairs a good decade before...
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[quote name=\'gsgalaxy82\' post=\'221866\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 08:12 PM\']I think it's safe to say it'll run in the same place as GL in most places (I know, stating the obvious). But not all markets run GL in the 9 am/10 am slot. Here in Seattle, I'm guessing KIRO will run LMAD at 2 pm, meaning TPIR and LMAD won't air back to back, unless KIRO does some "shuffling" and decides to put LMAD in at 9 (replacing TP: AP and Family Feud, so it's not out of the question).[/quote]
I don't know, David; I think it would be very tempting for CBS affils who ran GL in at 3pm (EST) to *want* to move LMAD to 10am to create a 2-hour game show block and a lead-in to Price. AFAIK, I don't think WHP has the choice to switch the 10am and 3pm timeslots; the fly-in-the-ointment is "The Doctors", which I don't think can air at 3pm as its parent show, "Dr. Phil", airs at that time on WGAL. However, they could always move "The Doctors" to 9am, put LMAD on at 10, and move their 9am offering ("The 700 Club") to 3pm.
As much as I would love to have a late afternoon network game show for the first time since the days of Bowzer, I really see it airing at 10am.
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For the 2nd time- Though I doubt it'll be at the Hilton this time by...The Venetian is the obvious first choice (Brady has a show there), but do they have the facilities to do a show like LMAD on a full-time basis?
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I think CBS will go for the obvious Whose Line connection, and I'm willing to put my next check on a Wayne Brady TPiR cameo sometime between Oct. 2-5. Other than that, I think the two shows' formats interloping will be slim*.
I have been telling my wife (who likes game shows somewhat but doesn't understand my deep love for them) about LMaD and who's hosting it (she loves Whose Line) and she didn't put two-and-two together that they're on the same network until I told her. She definitely would bet a paycheck on a Wayne Brady cameo.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'221875\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 09:26 PM\']As much as I would love to have a late afternoon network game show for the first time since the days of Bowzer, I really see it airing at 10am.[/quote]
Agreed...for most affils, it will fit better here with Price, than stick out in the PM coupled with talk shows.
WCBS airs GL at 10am, and I fully expect them to do the same for LMAD.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' post=\'221878\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 09:43 PM\'][quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'221875\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 09:26 PM\']As much as I would love to have a late afternoon network game show for the first time since the days of Bowzer, I really see it airing at 10am.[/quote]
Agreed...for most affils, it will fit better here with Price, than stick out in the PM coupled with talk shows.
WCBS airs GL at 10am, and I fully expect them to do the same for LMAD.
[/quote]
As do KYW (Philly), WJZ (Baltimore), WYOU (Scranton), and KDKA (Pitt), among countless others. I don't see any of them moving the network offering back to 3pm.
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For San Francisco for KPIX i think Let's Make A Deal will air at 1:00 PM, so KTVU will air Family Feud at the same time.
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And for a Canadian perspective on things (because, after all, Monty is, y'know, one of them), here's a story from the Tuesday edition of The Globe and Mail.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nation...article1240289/ (http://\"http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/lets-make-a-new-deal/article1240289/\")
The reporter seems to get a couple of key facts wrong about network runs, but it's got more Monty tidbits than most of the U.S. stories.
I'd also take a bit of issue with this bit from the story:
But it was unique in that it was a largely improvisational show, without a script, and it relied entirely on the banter between the host and the audience-contestants. “There can't be a script,” Mr. Hall said Monday. “The script isn't there, the show evolves from the audience reaction.”
... since the Maxene Fabe book shows part of an actual typewritten, marked-up LMAD script.
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'221873\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 06:25 PM\']WRONG[/quote]
I'll say.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'221841\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 05:00 PM\']was anybody really impressed with the way Alex or Pat handled them in 1997?[/quote]
I thought Pat did a great job with Jeopardy!, actually.
I'm bummed about the announcement, but then, I like Pyramid and don't like LMaD.
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Out of curiosity, how long has Fremantle had LMAD?
I ask b/c I remember hearing buzz during GSMarathon about one show
in that lineup being revived. Obviously we know (at least) which one
CBS had in mind, but I didn't know Fremantle had the show until recently.
Am I correct in understanding Fremantle owns the show outright, or does
Monty still own all/part of it? I know he's on-board as a consultant.
One other question: Is it established where the show will be taped??
(Television City or elsewhere)
Here's to a long, successful run of the new LMaD. May it be the first in a
series of more TV games (classic or new) to come!!
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[quote name=\'76GMC\' post=\'221895\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 01:18 AM\']I ask b/c I remember hearing buzz during GSMarathon about one show
in that lineup being revived.[/quote]I believe that was Match Game, which went to pilot for TBS... but that was it. Obviously we know (at least) which one
[quote name=\'76GMC\' post=\'221895\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 01:18 AM\']One other question: Is it established where the show will be taped??[/quote]That's been mentioned. Look one or two pages back.
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[quote name=\'76GMC\' post=\'221895\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 10:18 PM\']I ask b/c I remember hearing buzz during GSMarathon about one show
in that lineup being revived.[/quote]
No, you remember someone here asking "if you were going to revive one show, what would it be?" followed by 47 Tomarkenites piping up for Press Your Luck. There was no buzz from anyone with any sort of authority whatsoever.
One other question: Is it established where the show will be taped??
(Television City or elsewhere)
Yes. Vegas.
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Where has LMAD taped in Las Vegas in the past?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'221898\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 03:12 AM\']Where has LMAD taped in Las Vegas in the past?[/quote]The showroom of the Las Vegas Hilton.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'221898\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 02:12 AM\']Where has LMAD taped in Las Vegas in the past?[/quote]Wiki says the Las Vegas Hilton (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Hilton\"). If someone can find an intro from that year, it would confirm it.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'221900\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 03:22 AM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'221898\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 02:12 AM\']Where has LMAD taped in Las Vegas in the past?[/quote]Wiki says the Las Vegas Hilton (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Hilton\"). If someone can find an intro from that year, it would confirm it.
[/quote]
Definitely the Hilton...I remember the letters in the hotel's sign lighting up during the intro.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'221861\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 07:49 PM\']For those in the Harrisburg-Lebanon-Lancaster-York market, I emailed WHP's programming department and got a vacation message. I shall actually try the old fashioned way of telephone tomorrow.[/quote]
Good luck getting an answer out of 21; they rarely pick up the phone. Would love to hear if you got an answer, though. I can't imagine that they have alternative syndie programming lined up that quickly if they didn't want to run LMaD.
Interesting Tweet (http://\"http://twitter.com/WBOCPromo/status/3124330505\") from WBOC (Salisbury, MD):
Let's Make a Deal is coming to WBOC Oct. 5. Replaces Guiding Light.
I don't know if we knew the date before...if it's in an earlier post, thousand apologies.
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According the Associated Press (using this (http://\"http://www.dailybreeze.com/lifeandculture/ci_12988968\") as a reference), there were a total of three game show pilots that execs were choosing from. We all know LMaD won, and there was a Pyramid pilot. I don't recall a third pilot show. Can someone fill this dense head on what that third pilot was?
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The Dating Game, hosted by Paige Davis (Trading Spaces).
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Just a couple of replies, based on reading 12 pages of posts:
* I, too, was hoping for Pyramid but completely welcome another GS back to network daytime TV. I wonder if the syndicated market can absorb another show, given the recent failures/departures of Temptation, Trivial Pursuit and Crosswords and the addition of 5th Grader for the Fall. There WOULD be room if syndicators didn't make it so darn attractive (it would seem) to double-run their shows. (Are DoND and Feud the only carry-overs to the new season?)
* There's little chance that there WON'T be a host crossover (or at least cameo) between LMaD and TPiR. I also see the zonks as a perfect place for WLiiA guest appearances (Colin and Ryan would be the masters of Zonk), as long as it's done judiciously.
* I sent a e-mail to the programming contact at WUSA in D.C. and asked what the plans were. Their web site is already promoting the addition of Dr. Oz to the schedule as of Sept. 14. The initial inclination would be Deal at 10, Price at 11 ... and then Oz at 3 (vs. Phil and Gen. Hospital) and The Drs. at 4 (vs Oprah and local news).
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It's probably too late to add another daily show to the syndicated market now, unless CBS contemplates a January start. I'm still thinking that if The Eye is claiming that Pyramid remains on the table, it could consider a prime time run for midseason, or as a replacement for ATWT if that gets canned next year.
As for Vegas, Wayne's Venetian show is done at the Showroom at Venetian theatre five nights a week (generally Friday thru Tuesday). The Venetian Web site notes that Brady is taking a break from the show on 8/18 -- that could be enough time for CBS to modify the theater to tape episodes of LMAD ahead of the 10/5 premiere.
It should be noted that the Venetian is also the home to the Vegas version of Blue Man Group -- I could easily see the troupe dropping by LMAD every so often to do bits.
JD
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Per a friend, this was attatched to the copy of the LMAD press release at one of the station-only CBS sites:
Wayne Brady will host LET’S MAKE A DEAL when it joins the CBS Television Network daytime schedule (Monday-Friday), replacing GUIDING LIGHT, effective October 5, 2009.
GUIDING LIGHT will have its last telecast on Friday, September 18, 2009. Programming for this time period from September 21-October 2 will be announced shortly.
A Program Order for LET’S MAKE A DEAL will be forthcoming.
Please contact your Affiliate Relations Representative if you have any questions.
Best Regards,
Diane Kuri
Director, Communications & Operations
CBS Affiliate Relations
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[quote name=\'rialtus\' post=\'221919\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 10:05 AM\']According the Associated Press (using this (http://\"http://www.dailybreeze.com/lifeandculture/ci_12988968\") as a reference), there were a total of three game show pilots that execs were choosing from. We all know LMaD won, and there was a Pyramid pilot. I don't recall a third pilot show. Can someone fill this dense head on what that third pilot was?[/quote]
IIRC, Rialtus, it was The Dating Game.
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[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'221921\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 11:32 AM\'](Are DoND and Feud the only carry-overs to the new season?)[/quote]
And, in case you're wondering, I didn't forget Wheel/J! . But they have a unique place in the market ... long-established time slots and affiliates with very little variance over the years.
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Color me excited!
I've been lurking in threads regarding daytime revivals, withholding judgment until I read something concrete. I am excited to see something I thought we'd never see again: a new daytime network game show.
I'm optimistic about the LMAD revival...Wayne Brady is a great fit for this job, since improv is key to making this show work (although a script is involved). There are some strong similarities to the Price is Right, but I am sure there are viewers that will know the difference. The "Whose Line Influence" will make a positive impact in those two hours (if we have them back to back, which I am banking on in this area). The fall lineup will be nicely stacked this fall, with DoND and Feud being the newest carryovers from last season.
Props to CBS. First, they proved to the naysayers that The Price is Right can go on (and go well) without Bob Barker, and now they're showing that daytime game shows can still be a viable option for the morning crowd.
The Inquisitive One
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[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'221929\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 12:40 PM\'][quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'221921\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 11:32 AM\'](Are DoND and Feud the only carry-overs to the new season?)[/quote]
And, in case you're wondering, I didn't forget Wheel/J! . But they have a unique place in the market ... long-established time slots and affiliates with very little variance over the years.
[/quote]
No, they're not the only shows. Meredith's Millionaire will be going into its eighth season.
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[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'221921\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 11:32 AM\']* I, too, was hoping for Pyramid but completely welcome another GS back to network daytime TV. I wonder if the syndicated market can absorb another show, given the recent failures/departures of Temptation, Trivial Pursuit and Crosswords and the addition of 5th Grader for the Fall. There WOULD be room if syndicators didn't make it so darn attractive (it would seem) to double-run their shows. (Are DoND and Feud the only carry-overs to the new season?)[/quote]
I think the market can hold it (not as many sitcoms this fall helps things). IMO, what hurt the new shows of 07-08 and 08-09 were 1) they weren't established shows compared to the other shows that debuted this decade*, 2) piss-poor promotion for all three (I saw more Syn-Deal promos last summer than the three shows combined, not to mention they put up a website (http://\"http://dealornodealtv.com/\") months in advance), and 3) even more piss-poor execution. By Thanksgiving 2007, Crosswords had already altered the show three times. However, I'm willing to give it a bit more leniency given Merv died right before the first taping. The market had eight syndicated games in fall-2002, at least four of them first run (Pyramid, Feud, H^2 on weekends, and I think Street Smarts), with an even more crowded market (more court and talk shows and sitcoms). I think it just boils down to promotion and execution. People can't watch your show if you don't tell them when it's on. And if you do tell them, they won't watch if it sucks.
*Yes, Temptation was based on $ale of the Century...which hadn't aired in first-run in 18 years. Outside of we geeks and maybe some Gen-Xers with fond childhood memories, it was more or less a forgotten memory, compared to when they brought back Millionaire in '02, which had just left network the prior summer.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' post=\'221910\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 10:11 AM\'][quote name=\'aaron sica\' post=\'221861\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 07:49 PM\']For those in the Harrisburg-Lebanon-Lancaster-York market, I emailed WHP's programming department and got a vacation message. I shall actually try the old fashioned way of telephone tomorrow.[/quote]
Good luck getting an answer out of 21; they rarely pick up the phone. Would love to hear if you got an answer, though. I can't imagine that they have alternative syndie programming lined up that quickly if they didn't want to run LMaD.
Interesting Tweet (http://\"http://twitter.com/WBOCPromo/status/3124330505\") from WBOC (Salisbury, MD):
Let's Make a Deal is coming to WBOC Oct. 5. Replaces Guiding Light.
I don't know if we knew the date before...if it's in an earlier post, thousand apologies.
[/quote]
I called and asked for the Programming department - got a recording, was the same gal who sent me a vacation message. So much for that. :) Will have to be patient and wait for next week.
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Interesting Tweet from WBOC (Salisbury, MD):
Let's Make a Deal is coming to WBOC Oct. 5. Replaces Guiding Light.
That was mentioned earlier, but I wouldn't be surprised if WBOC changes this up a bit, given their recent history. They relegated all of their syndie game shows to their offshoot "2nd banana" FOX21 and it wouldn't be the least bit surprising if they try to put LMAD before Price, even though GL airs in the afternoon here (so they can use that hour for ANOTHER talk show, Rachel Ray I'd bet). They want their station to be talk and news, and everything else thrown somewhere on the other station, and that's from a previous station manager's lips, themself (I'm originally from the region). At least you can be 100% sure of the October 5 date via the tweet and that the other articles have said the same. I guess you can call it replacing, but more what I'd call "schedule flopping," and it'd be more accurate if they said "The XX Show" will replace GL if that prediction pans out.
Maybe I'm just nitpicking...
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Good news: There will be a second network daytime game show.
Bad news: It's a revival of a old title.
Good news: It's LMaD.
Bad news: Monty Hall won't be hosting.
Good news: Wayne Brady will be hosting. I was rooting for him for the TPiR gig even though he was never in the running.
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[quote name=\'BillCullen1\' post=\'221938\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 01:24 PM\'][quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'221929\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 12:40 PM\'][quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'221921\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 11:32 AM\'](Are DoND and Feud the only carry-overs to the new season?)[/quote]
And, in case you're wondering, I didn't forget Wheel/J! . But they have a unique place in the market ... long-established time slots and affiliates with very little variance over the years.
[/quote]
No, they're not the only shows. Meredith's Millionaire will be going into its eighth season.
[/quote]
D'OH!
And, I got a response from WUSA in Washington DC. They did confirm that they are moving Guiding Light to 10 a.m. on Sept. 14 to accomodate Dr. Oz at 3 p.m. but were non-committal about plans for LMaD.
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Does anybody know how many markets aired The Guiding Light at 10 Eastern/9 Central? And has it occured to anyone that (1) soaps don't work well in the A.M. (the last one to run that early, Texas, died very quickly), and (2) a standalone soap probably won't work that well either.
That aside, I would think a game would work better in the afternoon, with the kids home from school. (Do kids get home by 3 P.M. and watch game shows anymore? We did in the '60s and '70s, but that's because we only had seven channels and I'd seen every Popeye cartoon.)
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'222005\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 06:35 PM\']That aside, I would think a game would work better in the afternoon, with the kids home from school. (Do kids get home by 3 P.M. and watch game shows anymore? We did in the '60s and '70s, but that's because we only had seven channels and I'd seen every Popeye cartoon.)[/quote]
I'm not sure exactly where it came from, but some daytime programmer a long, long time ago said that you want to put your game shows in the morning and your soaps in the afternoon. The (now antiquated and sexist) logic was that housewives were busy with their housework in the morning, so you gave them something that didn't tax their attention, and by the afternoon, they could settle down and more closely follow the scripted stuff.
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The thing I find most interesting about this whole thing was the apparent insistence by CBS that whatever replaced Guiding Light had to be an hour long. That leaves Bold and the Beautiful as still the only half-hour show in daytime. I've been looking at some soap opera forums for reaction, and some blame the move to hour-long shows for the downfall of daytime.
One thing Curt said reminded me of a question I always had. Why didn't Press Your Luck take off when they moved it to the 4:00 pm slot? It seemed like the ultimate show for a kid to watch after school.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'222012\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 08:24 PM\']One thing Curt said reminded me of a question I always had. Why didn't Press Your Luck take off when they moved it to the 4:00 pm slot? It seemed like the ultimate show for a kid to watch after school.[/quote]
The same thing that plagued a lot of 4:00 PM shows in that era: low affiliate clearances.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'222012\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 08:24 PM\']One thing Curt said reminded me of a question I always had. Why didn't Press Your Luck take off when they moved it to the 4:00 pm slot? It seemed like the ultimate show for a kid to watch after school.[/quote]
Definitely a kid-friendly game show (considering a lot of us, including myself, *were* kids when it was on during its original run), but by that time a good number of CBS stations programmed the 4pm with syndicated fare.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'222005\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 06:35 PM\']Does anybody know how many markets aired The Guiding Light at 10 Eastern/9 Central? And has it occured to anyone that (1) soaps don't work well in the A.M. (the last one to run that early, Texas, died very quickly), and (2) a standalone soap probably won't work that well either.
That aside, I would think a game would work better in the afternoon, with the kids home from school. (Do kids get home by 3 P.M. and watch game shows anymore? We did in the '60s and '70s, but that's because we only had seven channels and I'd seen every Popeye cartoon.)[/quote]
Off the top of my head:
WCBS-New York, KYW-Philly, KDKA-Pittsburgh, WYOU-Scranton, WJZ-Baltimore to start.
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The only 3pm-or-later game shows that I recall having any sort of real success were the MG/Tattletales block on CBS and The Gong Show on NBC.
Sorry, for as much as I was a viewer (especially for the first part), I can't put the MG/HS Hour on that list.
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Here's how I feel about this whole thing.
I will watch, I will give it a chance. But, if there's only one thing I want out of this: please, please, just get the show right. That's all I ask. That's all I'm hoping for. Just get the show right. LMAD has a certain magic to it: the wacky people in the costumes faced with the dillema picking the curtain or the box or the money and possibly getting zonked. That's it. Let that be the star of the show, and well, Wayne can shine right along side it, if it's done right.
Again: I will give it a chance, and I am crossing my fingers that it's a success, because so much more can come on the heels of a hit... we hope.
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As long as we can get Gilbert Gottfried back for a zonk or two, I'll be happy.
[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'221841\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 04:00 PM\'][quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'221825\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 02:15 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'221817\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 12:25 PM\']I think CBS will go for the obvious Whose Line connection, and I'm willing to put my next check on a Wayne Brady TPiR cameo sometime between Oct. 2-5. Other than that, I think the two shows' formats interloping will be slim*.[/quote]
I think the odds of Wayne hosting the 4/1 episode of Price are somewhere in the realm of 85%.
[/quote]
Only if they give Wayne the six simplest pricing games to work with and lots of rehersal time. TPIR is a lot harder for a newbie to host than Wheel or even Jeopardy! -- and even with all the experience over 30 years of hosting experience between them, was anybody really impressed with the way Alex or Pat handled them in 1997?
[/quote]
Well, you're comparing apples to oranges here. They each require different strengths to host well, so a hard job for one emcee can come naturally to another. Jeopardy! requires prompt, flawless reading, all while keeping track of ring ins, and you don't even get a bell or buzzer to assist you along the way. Wheel just requires you to stay awake, Price, really, other than being a personable emcee, requires memorization of rules and blocking, and Let's Make A Deal needs a host with timing and good ad libbing skills. Quite different skill sets, if you ask me. If you were to start somebody out with 15 or 20 pricing games rather than the whole lot, I'd say Price is second easiest, only behind Wheel.
Sure, they probably won't be asking Wayne to host the show with Stack the Deck, Check Game, and Ten Chances in the lineup, but I'm sure they'll give him more credit than to stick him with One Right Price, Most Expensive, and Side By Side. I'm confident he can handle the average lineup with a little coaching.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'222007\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 05:45 PM\'][quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'222005\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 06:35 PM\']That aside, I would think a game would work better in the afternoon, with the kids home from school. (Do kids get home by 3 P.M. and watch game shows anymore? We did in the '60s and '70s, but that's because we only had seven channels and I'd seen every Popeye cartoon.)[/quote]
I'm not sure exactly where it came from, but some daytime programmer a long, long time ago said that you want to put your game shows in the morning and your soaps in the afternoon. The (now antiquated and sexist) logic was that housewives were busy with their housework in the morning, so you gave them something that didn't tax their attention, and by the afternoon, they could settle down and more closely follow the scripted stuff.
[/quote]
The interesting thing was, in the early to mid-1960s -- well, start here (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963%E2%80%931964_United_States_network_television_schedule_(weekday)\") and keep going for the next four years or so -- you'll notice that CBS and NBC counterprogrammed one another in the daytime. If NBC was running a game show at a certain hour, CBS would counter with a soap or a rerun. If CBS had a game, that's when NBC would run their soap. This kept up until 1967, when Fred Silverman gave Password the heave-ho and replaced it with Love Is a Many Splendored Thing -- and over the next few years, soaps became more popular in the afternoons, using the theory Matt stated above. Maybe Silverman himself came up with that idea. (You'll notice, by the way, ABC wasn't part of the equation until Password was dropped.)
Anyway, this kept going for four years (including a two-year period where all three networks ran soaps from 3 to 4 (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971%E2%80%931972_United_States_network_television_schedule_(weekday)\") -- with the exceptions of General Hospital and the male-oriented Edge of Night, none of them were overwhelmingly successful) -- until Bud Grant noticed this (along with the fact that CBS's daytime sitcom reruns were stinking up the joint), and we were off to the races.
Since the afternoon games have a history of success when they were allowed to run there -- check your EOTVGS in the 1970s, and note how many games in the top 3 ran after 1 PM... well, I really shouldn't expect television programmers to follow historical patterns, I suppose.
By the way, I'd like to thank whoever painstakingly put this on Wikipedia and sourced my website on some of the pages (of course, I couldn't have done my pages without Wesley Hyatt's book and the Brooks & Marsh tome).
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I am hoping that LVLMAD indeed becomes a hit and has a long life on CBS.
There is one thing I thought of that, for superstitious people, there is one factor that has not been brought up with the news of LMAD going to Vegas:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but out of all the shows that were done in Vegas, no show lasted there for more than a year. Dealers Choice was only at the Tropicana for less than a year before returning to California, and LV Gambit was in reruns going into its 13th and final month on NBC, right?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'222046\' date=\'Aug 5 2009, 08:20 AM\']There is one thing I thought of that, for superstitious people, there is one factor that has not been brought up with the news of LMAD going to Vegas:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but out of all the shows that were done in Vegas, no show lasted there for more than a year. Dealers Choice was only at the Tropicana for less than a year before returning to California, and LV Gambit was in reruns going into its 13th and final month on NBC, right?[/quote]
The last syndie year of LMAD was done in Vegas, as was the last syndie year of Hollywood Squares.
I don't mind this (even though I've never been to Vegas, and never plan to). You want people from all over the country as your contestants, not just southern Californians. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Vegas have more tourism than L.A.?
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'222049\' date=\'Aug 5 2009, 08:45 AM\'][quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'222046\' date=\'Aug 5 2009, 08:20 AM\']There is one thing I thought of that, for superstitious people, there is one factor that has not been brought up with the news of LMAD going to Vegas:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but out of all the shows that were done in Vegas, no show lasted there for more than a year. Dealers Choice was only at the Tropicana for less than a year before returning to California, and LV Gambit was in reruns going into its 13th and final month on NBC, right?[/quote]
The last syndie year of LMAD was done in Vegas, as was the last syndie year of Hollywood Squares.[/quote]
Those don't disprove his point, which was that any show that goes to Vegas dies within a year.
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I haven't had time to backread, but where in Vegas will this tape? Any contestant information or such would be helpful
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Definitely a kid-friendly game show (considering a lot of us, including myself, *were* kids when it was on during its original run), but by that time a good number of CBS stations programmed the 4pm with syndicated fare.
Re. PYL, I think another reason it didn't take off at 4 PM is that by the third year, ratings had started to drop a fair bit. You'd hope it would have found a new audience at the new time slot, but with so few stations airing the network feed at that time it just never had a chance.
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'222058\' date=\'Aug 5 2009, 11:42 AM\']I haven't had time to backread, but where in Vegas will this tape? Any contestant information or such would be helpful[/quote]
There has been some talk about the Venetian hosting the show, since Brady has done a comedy/music show there for several years.
This article suggests that a now-dark theater at the Paris may be under consideration. Said theater was reportedly under consideration to host the Marie Osmond talk show this fall, but Program Partners recently announced the show would not happen...
http://www.lvrj.com/neon/52572002.html (http://\"http://www.lvrj.com/neon/52572002.html\")
JD
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For LMAD you don't just need a theater, you need a non-trivial amount of off-stage space to warehouse prizes and set pieces; just like TPIR but without all the pricing games and their associated electronics.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'222303\' date=\'Aug 7 2009, 02:16 PM\']For LMAD you don't just need a theater, you need a non-trivial amount of off-stage space to warehouse prizes and set pieces; just like TPIR but without all the pricing games and their associated electronics.[/quote]
Sure, you don't need a theater, but it'd sure be cheaper than a studio out in Los Angeles.
Speaking of that, if they're filming this thing in Vegas, it sure makes for a lot of traveling for Mr. Richards, especially if they're going to have to rush it into production.
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Couldn't you do all that stuff with green screen nowadays?
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I got an email back from WHP - LMaD will be airing at 3pm.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'222303\' date=\'Aug 7 2009, 02:16 PM\']For LMAD you don't just need a theater, you need a non-trivial amount of off-stage space to warehouse prizes and set pieces; just like TPIR but without all the pricing games and their associated electronics.[/quote]
It might be better to avoid a theater. When Monty did that season in Vegas (not sure which casino), the staging was really awkward. The cameras couldn't get a good shot, and the lighting was pretty bad. It didn't help that it appeared to be a dinner theatre.
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It will be the theater at Paris, unless something drastic happens last minute.
It has a really nice star dressing suite - two dressing rooms really at the ends, with a small sitting room and bigger room with a bar, both between the two. Many offices and support rooms, a huge green room, and two massive chorus dressing rooms, each with sufficient dressing tables, toilets and showers for a small army.
The control room will have to be a remote truck. The orchestra pit that was recently added for "The Producers" will have to be covered, unless they want to throw people off the stage as a zonk! "Last Comic Standing" and other TV shows started using the place, and it's worked well for all parties.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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For those interested, CBS has added a page for LMAD in their daytime category http://www.cbs.com/daytime/lets_make_a_deal/ (http://\"http://www.cbs.com/daytime/lets_make_a_deal/\"). Enjoy.
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I know a little about that complex. Where do you suppose they will store prizes and set pieces? I imagine a one-hour daily daytime show giving away different prizes every day will need more warehouse space than TPIR Live.
Listening to Monty's oral history, they will need a flying drop behind the doors and then about 50 feet of space behind that to keep prizes during each show. TPIR in studio 33 has the same requirement except the prizes are kept behind door 1 and behind Rich Fields.
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Just a guess, but I wonder if this ad is for LMAD?
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/tfr/1307459692.html (http://\"http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/tfr/1307459692.html\")
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[quote name=\'knagl\' post=\'222676\' date=\'Aug 11 2009, 08:32 PM\']Just a guess, but I wonder if this ad is for LMAD?
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/tfr/1307459692.html (http://\"http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/tfr/1307459692.html\")[/quote]
Wouldn't be surprised, good sir.
"# Compensation: To be discussed upon hire "
What would the ballpark of said compensation be? I admit ignorance to the sort of salary a PA commands.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'222703\' date=\'Aug 11 2009, 10:25 PM\']"# Compensation: To be discussed upon hire "
What would the ballpark of said compensation be? I admit ignorance to the sort of salary a PA commands.[/quote]
Even in Vegas, I'd be surprised if it's more than $20,000/yr., esp. since the ad only mentions a couple of months.
/I once saw an ad for a PA for a certain celebrity newsmagazine
//$8 an hour
///That's $12,480 for part-time (30 hours)/16,640 for full-time
////In Los Angeles
/////I wtf'd
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'222710\' date=\'Aug 11 2009, 10:55 PM\']/I once saw an ad for a PA for a certain celebrity newsmagazine
//$8 an hour
///That's $12,480 for part-time (30 hours)/16,640 for full-time
////In Los Angeles
/////I wtf'd[/quote]
//////Foot in the door: Priceless.
At least that's the theory that gives shows like that a seemingly unending stream of candidates willing to work for such a sum.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'222713\' date=\'Aug 11 2009, 11:25 PM\']//////Foot in the door: Priceless.
At least that's the theory that gives shows like that a seemingly unending stream of candidates willing to work for such a sum.[/quote]
Oh, I don't argue that in the slightest; gotta cut your teeth somewhere. In this case, you'll prolly do so eating Ramen Noodles. ;-)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'222713\' date=\'Aug 11 2009, 08:25 PM\']At least that's the theory that gives shows like that a seemingly unending stream of candidates willing to work for such a sum.[/quote]
Or, at least, the urban myth they keep alive among the workforce.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'222710\' date=\'Aug 11 2009, 07:55 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'222703\' date=\'Aug 11 2009, 10:25 PM\']"# Compensation: To be discussed upon hire "
What would the ballpark of said compensation be? I admit ignorance to the sort of salary a PA commands.[/quote]
Even in Vegas, I'd be surprised if it's more than $20,000/yr., esp. since the ad only mentions a couple of months.
/I once saw an ad for a PA for a certain celebrity newsmagazine
//$8 an hour
///That's $12,480 for part-time (30 hours)/16,640 for full-time
////In Los Angeles
/////I wtf'd
[/quote]
Cripes, on P+ I made $250 per week my first year and $300 per week my second year.
That was 30 years ago.
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And out goes the light. The program has taped its final scenes:
http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=425746>1=28103 (http://\"http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=425746>1=28103\")
Wayne, don't let us down. It's not a sign of weakness to go to Monty for help.
You are reading this aren't you, Wayne? Wayne?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'222809\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 03:20 PM\']You are reading this aren't you, Wayne? Wayne?[/quote]He won't come here. He thinks we've got our underwear on our heads, shouting from a bunch of cell phone towers.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'222810\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 03:22 PM\']He thinks we've got our underwear on our heads, shouting from a bunch of cell phone towers.[/quote]
That isn't us?
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'222810\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 04:22 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'222809\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 03:20 PM\']You are reading this aren't you, Wayne? Wayne?[/quote]He won't come here. He thinks we've got our underwear on our heads, shouting from a bunch of cell phone towers.
[/quote]
"Hey maw! Get off the dang roof!"
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[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'222830\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 08:15 PM\'][quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'222810\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 04:22 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'222809\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 03:20 PM\']You are reading this aren't you, Wayne? Wayne?[/quote]He won't come here. He thinks we've got our underwear on our heads, shouting from a bunch of cell phone towers.
[/quote]
"Hey maw! Get off the dang roof!"
[/quote]
Good work, boys. If he was here, you've gone and scared him off now.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'222834\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 09:22 PM\']Good work, boys. If he was here, you've gone and scared him off now.[/quote]
Oh come now, who doesn't love urbane Simpsons quotes?
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[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'222839\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 09:43 PM\']Oh come now, who doesn't love urbane Simpsons quotes?[/quote]
My cat's breath smells like cat food.
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[quote name=\'CountdownRound\' post=\'222839\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 09:43 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'222834\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 09:22 PM\']Good work, boys. If he was here, you've gone and scared him off now.[/quote]
Oh come now, who doesn't love urbane Simpsons quotes?
[/quote]
I'm certain they go over quite well on The Simpsons Forum.
Meanwhile, with Guiding Light headed over the rainbow, here's a presser about the possible doom of As The World Turns:
http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/08/07/good-new...or-cbs-soaps%2F (http://\"http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/08/07/good-news-bad-news-for-cbs-soaps/?icid=main|main|dl2|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvsquad.com%2F2009%2F08%2F07%2Fgood-news-bad-news-for-cbs-soaps%2F\")
Be sure to check out the comments from the faithful who'll never watch CBS again.
And here's potentially interesting information about a major move for an ABC sudser:
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Televi...&id=8247876 (http://\"http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Television/comments?type=story&id=8247876\")
Indeed, comments follow.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'222841\' date=\'Aug 12 2009, 09:52 PM\']Be sure to check out the comments from the faithful who'll never watch CBS again.
And here's potentially interesting information about a major move for an ABC sudser:
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Televi...&id=8247876 (http://\"http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Television/comments?type=story&id=8247876\")
Indeed, comments follow.[/quote]
I don't have the heart (or the patience) to tell these big babies about how television operates, and how a low-rated soap opera is a lose-lose situation for the network.
I'll just call the WAHHHMBULANCE!
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Tell me, are soap fans as looney-toons as game show fans?
Please spare me the effort of reading a soap message forum.
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Much, much worse.
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especially when there's a news pre-emption
(So I'm told.)
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'222851\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 12:44 AM\']especially when there's a news pre-emption
(So I'm told.)[/quote]
Oh hell yes, esp. when it's weather-related. Those viewer will let their house get blown away by a tornado before they let One Life to Live get interrupted. Wanna hear an old lady cuss? Pre-empt a soap opera. I actually get a kick out of it. :-)
/Same goes for Oprah
//And The View
///And Wheel and/or Jeopardy!
////And Dancing with the Stars
/////ESPECIALLY Wheel and DWTS
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I've taken many phone calls wondering if we'd be showing various shows at different times because of news pre-emptions... everything from All My Children, to Oprah, to Judge Judy. People even called wondering if the ABC soaps would be on at a different time because of the Michael Jackson memorial service. (I told them they'd be on tomorrow and no episodes would be skipped.)
My favorite though has to be from the last station I worked at. Was the first night of the Beijing Olympics. Someone called infuriated that Jeopardy wasn't on because of the Opening Ceremonies. When I told him I didn't know if the show that was supposed to be on tonight would be on at a different time, he hung up on me.
Greg
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'222864\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 09:49 AM\']People even called wondering if the ABC soaps would be on at a different time because of the Michael Jackson memorial service. (I told them they'd be on tomorrow and no episodes would be skipped.)[/quote]
That's the concession the soaps get that the game shows don't get very often. At least if the serial is dumped, there's the disappointment that the show isn't on that day, but when it returns, it does so with no loss of content. The Price Is Right will usually have its pre-empted show rescheduled since the specific date on which it plays usually doesn't matter. However, during those many years when there'd be games all over network daytime (most of them with returning champions and a good many of them featuring games that straddled), if unexpected special programming broke in and forced the show off the air that day, the pre-empted episode would never be shown.....unless in some cases, it was picked up by Game Show Network many years later.
The big thing about Game Show Network I never understood (I don't know if they still do this or not for I rarely watch the channel these days) is if, for example, Super Password wasn't shown on a particular weekday because of a scheduled special (a marathon of The Newlywed Game shows which looks fun, perhaps), when SP returned the following day, the previous day's show was skipped. But why? The show missed was only one day more outdated the following day than the previous. That made and makes no sense to me.
Plus, daytime dramas are given a big bundle of time to find an audience. If a game show starts off in tank mode, it's probably gone in a few months. And those are the shows which are less expensive to produce!!
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When I interned at WCYB, I took a call on Saturday afternoon. It was an old lady, and after I greeted her with my usual "NewsCenter 5", I hear the following...
"WHERE'S MY BUSCH RACE!!!!"
Apparently, we weren't carrying it on NBC. I told her to check CW4 (which we ran also). End of conversation.
/It's not just soaps and games, kiddos...
//Anyone can get upset about anything, apparently
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'222879\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 09:15 AM\']Apparently, we weren't carrying it on NBC. I told her to check CW4 (which we ran also). End of conversation.[/quote]
If she had to turn the knob to the right to get there, she was screwed.
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If ATWT is scrapped, it would seem that would open up a bunch of options on three fronts -- games, soaps and more time returned to the affiliates.
Does it open the door for:
* Pyramid?
* extending Bold & Beautiful to 1 hour?
* moving Y&R off its long-standing 12:30 start time?
I think CBS likes the 12:30 start time since it's a way to counter-program against the 1:00 soaps -- especially All My Children. So, Y&R at 1 and a 60-min B&B at 2 risks losing whatever edge they might have from starting at the :30s.
Could a network game show work at 2 in the afternoon? I think the CBS affiliates would do backflips if you gave them another weekday hour to line their coffers. NBC already ends its network daypart at 2:00 and, here in DC, WRC is doing quite fine with Ellen and Dr Phil as leadins to its 4:00 news.
BTW, just got the e-mail from WUSA -- confirming Let's Make a Deal at 10 a.m. beginning Oct. 5. Dr. Oz will be on at 3:00, leading into The Doctors.
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'222879\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 11:15 AM\']When I interned at WCYB, I took a call on Saturday afternoon. It was an old lady, and after I greeted her with my usual "NewsCenter 5", I hear the following...
"WHERE'S MY BUSCH RACE!!!!"[/quote]
"I'm guessing you haven't had one of those in a good twenty years, madam."
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'222885\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 12:54 PM\'][quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'222879\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 11:15 AM\']When I interned at WCYB, I took a call on Saturday afternoon. It was an old lady, and after I greeted her with my usual "NewsCenter 5", I hear the following...
"WHERE'S MY BUSCH RACE!!!!"[/quote]
"I'm guessing you haven't had one of those in a good twenty years, madam."
[/quote]
Nice. Very nice. I'm gonna do for you what I rarely do. I LOL'd. Well played! Approves: http://www.ericasp.com/UserFiles/Image/Fonz.jpg (http://\"http://www.ericasp.com/UserFiles/Image/Fonz.jpg\")
My favorite of the complaint calls happened one Sunday when the regularly scheduled religious program didn't air on our radio station because the record it was on arrived damaged. When a half hour of hymns were played in lieu of the absent program (with announcements of the pre-emption made), one allegedly blessed practicing Christian dialed up the studio line and let forth an unholy host of obscenities because she wasn't getting her show that week. I had the foresight to record the call and played it for the General Manager and for the Owner. They agreed that I did the right thing by terminating the call by saying, "Thank you for your understanding, ma'am, and may God bless you".
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'222853\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 01:09 AM\'][quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'222851\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 12:44 AM\']especially when there's a news pre-emption
(So I'm told.)[/quote]
Oh hell yes, esp. when it's weather-related. Those viewer will let their house get blown away by a tornado before they let One Life to Live get interrupted. Wanna hear an old lady cuss? Pre-empt a soap opera. I actually get a kick out of it. :-)[/quote]
And those of us who are tennis fans hate NBC for it. For years they've been trying to shoehorn French Open and Wimbledon semis on tape delay between Hour #63 of Today and their first soap opera. And because they insist on starting their broadcast at 10AM in all time zones, you can't see the other semi until at least 4PM ET.
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' post=\'222892\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 10:54 AM\']And those of us who are tennis fans hate NBC for it. For years they've been trying to shoehorn French Open and Wimbledon semis on tape delay between Hour #63 of Today and their first soap opera. And because they insist on starting their broadcast at 10AM in all time zones, you can't see the other semi until at least 4PM ET.[/quote]
How do you think I'm gonna feel next year when the Winter Olympics are three hours (by car) north of me, and yet I still get to watch everything tape-delayed on The Networks Of NBC? (And I don't even have CBC to bail me out this time. :()
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That's the concession the soaps get that the game shows don't get very often. At least if the serial is dumped, there's the disappointment that the show isn't on that day, but when it returns, it does so with no loss of content. The Price Is Right will usually have its pre-empted show rescheduled since the specific date on which it plays usually doesn't matter. However, during those many years when there'd be games all over network daytime (most of them with returning champions and a good many of them featuring games that straddled), if unexpected special programming broke in and forced the show off the air that day, the pre-empted episode would never be shown.....unless in some cases, it was picked up by Game Show Network many years later.
That's so true, but a lot of it depended on the network. I liked it when CBS starting saving the episodes for the next day if there was a pre-emtion in the early '70s. That's why Gene Rayburn never knew what day it was on Match Game 7x; the celebrities rarely changed after the Friday show.
The big thing about Game Show Network I never understood (I don't know if they still do this or not for I rarely watch the channel these days) is if, for example, Super Password wasn't shown on a particular weekday because of a scheduled special (a marathon of The Newlywed Game shows which looks fun, perhaps), when SP returned the following day, the previous day's show was skipped. But why? The show missed was only one day more outdated the following day than the previous. That made and makes no sense to me.
Agree with you there too, but could it be that the special programming was put in place after the schedule was already made? Rather than have the episode numbers (or whatever GSN uses to identify them) off for a week, they just replace that day's programming. Kind of sucks...we never got to see a late Oct '72 week of CBS Joker's Wild because of this!
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'222879\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 11:15 AM\']When I interned at WCYB, I took a call on Saturday afternoon. It was an old lady, and after I greeted her with my usual "NewsCenter 5", I hear the following...
"WHERE'S MY BUSCH RACE!!!!"
Apparently, we weren't carrying it on NBC. I told her to check CW4 (which we ran also). End of conversation.
/It's not just soaps and games, kiddos...
//Anyone can get upset about anything, apparently[/quote]
At least it's people mainly complaining about first run programming. About 2 years ago one of our local meteorologists spoke at our office and was telling us about a disgruntled viewer who paid a visit to the TV station because their 30+ year old episode of M*A*S*H was being interrupted by tornado coverage.
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[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'222884\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 12:54 PM\']If ATWT is scrapped, it would seem that would open up a bunch of options on three fronts -- games, soaps and more time returned to the affiliates.
Does it open the door for:
* Pyramid?
* extending Bold & Beautiful to 1 hour?
* moving Y&R off its long-standing 12:30 start time?[/quote]
If I'm not mistaken, Y&R airs at 12:30 in most East coast markets, after the noon news. Affiliates who do well with a Price/News/Y&R combo might be reluctant to give up that slot. I'd say air Y&R at 12:30/hour-long B&B at 1:30, then half-hour Pyramid at 2:30, taking advantage of NBC not programming anything at 2. Of course, it's all dependent on what the affiliate wants to do.
[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' post=\'222900\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 02:33 PM\']At least it's people mainly complaining about first run programming. About 2 years ago one of our local meteorologists spoke at our office and was telling us about a disgruntled viewer who paid a visit to the TV station because their 30+ year old episode of M*A*S*H was being interrupted by tornado coverage.[/quote]
Hawkeye Pierce: Serious Business.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'222908\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 03:36 PM\']taking advantage of NBC not programming anything at 2. Of course, it's all dependent on what the affiliate wants to do.[/quote]
Because you could in in a market like Pittsburgh, where the 12,390th hour of Today airs at 2PM after 90 minutes of game shows.
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I was checking with all my local stations regarding their Daytime lineups. My CBS station said that CBS will be airing The Price Is Right at 3:00 pm for the 2 weeks between when Guiding Light goes off the air and Let's Make a Deal premiers.
Rich
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Yes, CBS announced that last week. Will be repeats.
Greg
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[quote name=\'mathwhiz\' post=\'222935\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 06:46 PM\']CBS will be airing The Price Is Right at 3:00 pm for the 2 weeks between when Guiding Light goes off the air and Let's Make a Deal premiers.[/quote]
Shuckers. I was hoping it might be two weeks of classic Let's Make A Deal shows with wraparounds by Monty Hall and Wayne Brady, including some clips from the upcoming NEW! LMAD'09. These two weeks of TPiR shows, I presume, will not be golden oldies featuring Anitra Ford.
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[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'222884\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 11:54 AM\']If ATWT is scrapped, it would seem that would open up a bunch of options on three fronts -- games, soaps and more time returned to the affiliates.
Does it open the door for:
* extending Bold & Beautiful to 1 hour?[/quote]
It's been said B&B will never extend to an hour because it would be difficult to expand. The costs are much lower to keep it a half hour and the cast is too small as well. So we can throw that out the window, since CBS I'm sure would rather have a low cost game show then expand a show that wouldn't work as an hour.
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Here's the thing I don't understand. Set aside the issue of which specific shows they chose. It strikes me as a bad idea to pick up only one show for an hour, rather than two half-hour shows. Right now, if LMAD tanks, I suppose they're stuck with more TPIR reruns. But if they had picked up two shows for a half-hour each, and one show tanked, they'd still have one salable half-hour, and reruns of the hit show could air in the other spot until they develop the third show. (ISTR that ABC re-ran Family Feud specials in Trivia Trap's spot at one point.)
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'223110\' date=\'Aug 15 2009, 01:29 AM\']Here's the thing I don't understand. Set aside the issue of which specific shows they chose. It strikes me as a bad idea to pick up only one show for an hour, rather than two half-hour shows. Right now, if LMAD tanks, I suppose they're stuck with more TPIR reruns. But if they had picked up two shows for a half-hour each, and one show tanked, they'd still have one salable half-hour, and reruns of the hit show could air in the other spot until they develop the third show. (ISTR that ABC re-ran Family Feud specials in Trivia Trap's spot at one point.)[/quote]
Actually, you could say it the other way around. TT hadn't premiered yet. ABC ran FF specials (known in the TVG as "Celebrity Family Feud") in the summer of '84.....I remember it being notable because it was the first time in about 4 years that some ABC stations ran a version of FF on the schedule. WNEP in Scranton stopped carrying it when it moved to noon, but they had the celeb version on at 11...
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I'm betting that ABC had to get rid of "The Love Report" as soon as possible and FF reruns were the only choice until Goodson could come up with something new.
As far as LMAD, if it flops, they could just plug in TPIR reruns (as is happening for a couple of weeks between GL and LMAD). With two half-hours they can't do that. Most everything in daytime is done in hour blocks nowadays. Even the half-hour syndicated shows (game and court shows) are on twice a day or shown in hour blocks.
The local station in my area touting the "fast paced half hour DoND" shows them at 5 and 5:30. Why not just call it an hour of DoND? :)
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Official CBS page is live now, but no "Jay Stewart" or "Carol Merrill" named, yet
http://www.cbs.com/daytime/lets_make_a_deal/ (http://\"http://www.cbs.com/daytime/lets_make_a_deal/\")
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I'm seeing through Wikipedia...that Rich Fields is announcing on Let's Make A Deal as well. Is this news true?
Let's Make A Deal - 2009 Version (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_Make_a_Deal#2009_version\")
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[quote name=\'bulldog_06\' post=\'226367\' date=\'Sep 18 2009, 01:42 PM\']I'm seeing through Wikipedia...that Rich Fields is announcing on Let's Make A Deal as well. Is this news true?
Let's Make A Deal - 2009 Version (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let%27s_Make_a_Deal#2009_version\")[/quote]
No. The announcer's name is Jonathan Mangum. He and Wayne worked together in Vegas.
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I've not seen any promos yet. Since they have started taping, I would think there would be some commercials running promtoing the hell out of this thing.
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[quote name=\'Jumpondees\' post=\'226551\' date=\'Sep 20 2009, 11:19 PM\']I've not seen any promos yet. Since they have started taping, I would think there would be some commercials running promtoing the hell out of this thing.[/quote]
I've seen them...it's more of a promo for CBS's new Daytime lineup.
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I've seen a promo for LMAD. It was a tongue-in-cheek thing about the economy, but didn't have show footage.
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[quote name=\'snowpeck\' post=\'222937\' date=\'Aug 13 2009, 06:52 PM\']Yes, CBS announced that last week. Will be repeats.[/quote]
Just a quick bump; apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but I didn't see anything in searching...
Next week's episodes (9/28-10/2/09) are now, in the words of CBS Affiliate Relations, "original episodes".
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So, who is the "Carol Merrill" on this version? Any former TPIR models that got the gig(Phire, Shane, etc.)?
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'226818\' date=\'Sep 24 2009, 03:17 PM\']So, who is the "Carol Merrill" on this version? Any former TPIR models that got the gig(Phire, Shane, etc.)?[/quote]
They auditioned local models in Vegas. I encouraged the girls from TPiR-Live to audition. They are beautiful and experienced in the appropriate gesturing and smiling, but none seemed enthused about the results of their efforts towards getting the gig.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Any pics from the set, or anything that can be publicly reported?
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You think they're looking to throw a life preserver to 1 or 2 of the 24 DoND castoffs?
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[quote name=\'SteveR\' post=\'226822\' date=\'Sep 24 2009, 06:29 PM\']You think they're looking to throw a life preserver to 1 or 2 of the 24 DoND castoffs?[/quote]
[Insert your own joke about flotation devices here.]
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CBS showed clips with more of the set. One game involved a Craps table with the show logo on it, and the front walls of the audience area are covered with silver hypocycloids. The doors have the same arcs that were shown in the HollywoodJunket photos, but have a thick border, lined with a single-colored plaid pattern (think the patterns used on the backdrop of Ricki's Gameshow Marathon), with a blue curtain beneath it. On the left side of the arc is the door's number, in silver.
Is this the actual set, or the pilot?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'226866\' date=\'Sep 25 2009, 02:48 PM\']CBS showed clips with more of the set. One game involved a Craps table with the show logo on it, and the front walls of the audience area are covered with silver hypocycloids. The doors have the same arcs that were shown in the HollywoodJunket photos, but have a thick border, lined with a single-colored plaid pattern (think the patterns used on the backdrop of Ricki's Gameshow Marathon), with a blue curtain beneath it. On the left side of the arc is the door's number, in silver.
Is this the actual set, or the pilot?[/quote]
Not sure, but I do see three new pictures on CBS' press site... looks pretty darn cool.
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I don't recall anybody posting how to get tickets to the show at the Tropicana, but [post=\"0\"]THIS LINK[/post] has the upcoming tape dates and times, "If you live in, or are planning to visit the Las Vegas Area..."
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'226818\' date=\'Sep 24 2009, 05:17 PM\']So, who is the "Carol Merrill" on this version? Any former TPIR models that got the gig(Phire, Shane, etc.)?[/quote]
CAROL Merrill. That's who I was thinking of.
I saw Dina Merrill on Password, and I thought, "She went from this to modeling on LMAD?"
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[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'226818\' date=\'Sep 24 2009, 03:17 PM\']So, who is the "Carol Merrill" on this version?[/quote]
She is Alison Fiori, who briefly filled in for Hayley on DOND back in May. Her resume is Here (http://\"http://www.modelmayhem.com/359522\").
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So, what did everyone think of the premiere of the new "Deal"? For starters, they really need to cut this down to 30 minutes ASAP (preferably with that unsold version of "Pyramid"). It just can't last as an hour-long strip. Too meandering and all over the place for 60 mins. Wayne is an OK host but he can only grow in the role as he gets used to the crazies (couldn't stop thinking about Monty's smoothness handling contestants as I watched Brady basically do the show on auto pilot). Announcer/sidekick was OK (was he with Wayne and Drew on that improv sketch show Drew hosted on ABC a few years back?) as was the model and the set. Between this and "TPIR" daytime gameshow traditions are alive and well (so far) but man, those prices sure look/feel cheap compared to the original "Deal." DVD copies of "Wolverine" and "Snow White," really? Also, the cars got no plugs so I guess they weren't sponsored.
Also the show isn't shot/aired in HD which surprised me (I thought any new network TV production would automatically be in HD). Makes the transition to the colorful high-def goodness of "TPIR" all the more startling.
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[quote name=\'dad1153\' post=\'227697\' date=\'Oct 5 2009, 11:02 AM\']So, what did everyone think of the premiere of the new "Deal"?[/quote]
I'm not exactly sure how much we need to worry about spoilers for LMAD, and luckily, you avoided anything too specific anyway, but please realize that not nearly "everyone" has seen it yet. Not even everyone on the east coast has seen it yet, only the ones whose stations scheduled it at 10am. For some of us -- probably most of us -- the premiere is still hours away.
Those who do want to discuss it can do so in the Show Summaries thread here (http://\"http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18876\").
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Wayne Brady needs to get that God damn microphone out of his mouth. He looks like one of the Popsicle Twins.
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[quote name=\'dad1153\' post=\'227697\' date=\'Oct 5 2009, 11:02 AM\']Announcer/sidekick was OK......as was the model and the set.[/quote]
Her dress could have been a little shorter. Hopefully this will occur on future shows.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'227719\' date=\'Oct 5 2009, 11:33 AM\']Wayne Brady needs to get that God damn microphone out of his mouth. He looks like one of the Popsicle Twins.[/quote]
Was having flashback to the way Ray Combs did the same thing. So annoying.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' post=\'227755\' date=\'Oct 5 2009, 04:06 PM\'][quote name=\'dad1153\' post=\'227697\' date=\'Oct 5 2009, 11:02 AM\']Announcer/sidekick was OK......as was the model and the set.[/quote]Her dress could have been a little shorter. Hopefully this will occur on future shows.[/quote]That'll be a tell-tale sign of how the show's ratings are doing: the shorter the model's skirt the worse the Nielsen numbers. :-P
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Wanye is ok. I think Harry Anderson would be a better fit as host.
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[quote name=\'opimus\' post=\'227843\' date=\'Oct 6 2009, 09:41 AM\']Wanye is ok. I think Harry Anderson would be a better fit as host.[/quote]
He might approve. (http://\"http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/JRaygor/bull2.jpg\")
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I think they need to go back to the original Big Deal rules and not just have one trader face off against the big doors....I used to love those moments where the second trader had to wait for Monty to tell them it was either their door being shown first or the other and that they had won the Big Deal....even if they are going to stick with the one trader for the Big Deal format, at least build up the suspense by showing the door that wasnt the big deal first and then saving the surprise for the end on whether the trader took the Big Deal or not.
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[quote name=\'deknaj\' post=\'227931\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 12:28 AM\']I think they need to go back to the original Big Deal rules and not just have one trader face off against the big doors....I used to love those moments where the second trader had to wait for Monty to tell them it was either their door being shown first or the other and that they had won the Big Deal....even if they are going to stick with the one trader for the Big Deal format, at least build up the suspense by showing the door that wasnt the big deal first and then saving the surprise for the end on whether the trader took the Big Deal or not.[/quote]
Yeah, at first I didn't think it was a big deal (no pun intended), but the above is true.
If it is because of a new show not having a big budget (and thus it wouldn't be wise to give away two big prize packages per show...heck, the actual BD ISN'T a package, as we've observed), then hopefully that'll be fixed if LMAD gets popular enough to warrant receiving extra money. If, you know, that IS the case and if it is possible (economy and all....)
It can't be time constraints because at the end of the day they still end up describing three doors (but don't have to be detailed on the passed-up ones...so maybe I'm wrong here...)
Now, if my other theory is correct, well, we've encountered something that will hurt this version of LMAD. Namely, the need to separate this show as much as possible from TPIR. We've already seen that it's quite possible that they can't use pricing game-like, um, games. And going back on topic here, I was wondering if some higher-up feared that a 2-player Big Deal could be seen as being too much like the Showcase.
Hopefully this and the other rough edges will be addressed and improve with time. (And hopefully not current Family Feud style, where the "most necessary" changes seemed to come every 3 years) A lot rides on this show doing well, of course.
Hey, I was wondering...does Wayne have a Twitter account or some such thing? I ask because it's been a welcome feature when it comes to Drew and TPIR and offering feedback (rather than just "yelling at telephone poles"). Not that it'll solve everything, but it's good to feel that you're getting your opinion across to the proper place.
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[quote name=\'JMFabiano\' post=\'227947\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 05:56 AM\']Now, if my other theory is correct, well, we've encountered something that will hurt this version of LMAD. Namely, the need to separate this show as much as possible from TPIR. We've already seen that it's quite possible that they can't use pricing game-like, um, games. And going back on topic here, I was wondering if some higher-up feared that a 2-player Big Deal could be seen as being too much like the Showcase.[/quote]
I disagree with the notion that the Big Deal is anything like the Showcase. There is always a possibility that NOBODY will win anything in either showcase via a Double Overbid -- EVERYBODY playing in the Big Deal is guaranteed to win something, even if it is less in value than what they gave up for.
And as far as pricing games, TPIR has used similar concepts first used on LMAD. For example, Monty Hall had been playing a version of "put 4 or 5 prizes in order of least-to-most expensive" for years before TPIR retooled it as "It's In The Bag". Yeah, IITB can be argued as a variation on Hole in One (Or Two), but Monty still did the original Low-To-High pricing game first. There can be enough little tweaks to make any pricing game on LMAD or TPIR similar in concept, but not 100% a carbon copy. Plus in the LMAD pricing games, the audience could not shout out answers/prices. The only help the audience could give is giving advice on take this or that offer.
I am still on the theory that the biggest quirk of LMAD is that it is a 45-minute show that would be too rushed for a 30-minute show, yet at it's hour timeslot, the show's pace still drags in spots.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'227960\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 10:28 AM\']I disagree with the notion that the Big Deal is anything like the Showcase.[/quote]
Boy, I just don't get that logic at all. Sure there are differences, but there are also plenty of superficial similarities. Compared to the final acts of Wheel of Fortune, or Jeopardy, or Family Feud, you're looking at two different shows with two very similar final acts. Both hours would come down to two top winners facing off to win a big prize package on the only two game shows you've got.
I have no idea whether that's the reason they decided to have the new Big Deal be a solo act, but there's no question that the original Big Deal and the Showcase are at least somewhat alike.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'227960\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 10:28 AM\'][quote name=\'JMFabiano\' post=\'227947\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 05:56 AM\']Now, if my other theory is correct, well, we've encountered something that will hurt this version of LMAD. Namely, the need to separate this show as much as possible from TPIR. We've already seen that it's quite possible that they can't use pricing game-like, um, games. And going back on topic here, I was wondering if some higher-up feared that a 2-player Big Deal could be seen as being too much like the Showcase.[/quote]
I disagree with the notion that the Big Deal is anything like the Showcase. There is always a possibility that NOBODY will win anything in either showcase via a Double Overbid -- EVERYBODY playing in the Big Deal is guaranteed to win something, even if it is less in value than what they gave up for.
And as far as pricing games, TPIR has used similar concepts first used on LMAD. For example, Monty Hall had been playing a version of "put 4 or 5 prizes in order of least-to-most expensive" for years before TPIR retooled it as "It's In The Bag". Yeah, IITB can be argued as a variation on Hole in One (Or Two), but Monty still did the original Low-To-High pricing game first. There can be enough little tweaks to make any pricing game on LMAD or TPIR similar in concept, but not 100% a carbon copy. Plus in the LMAD pricing games, the audience could not shout out answers/prices. The only help the audience could give is giving advice on take this or that offer.
I am still on the theory that the biggest quirk of LMAD is that it is a 45-minute show that would be too rushed for a 30-minute show, yet at it's hour timeslot, the show's pace still drags in spots.
[/quote]
We know that, but do over-cautious TV execs know it?
As for your last point, maybe it's time to "Whew!" the timeslot (which would necessitate bringing back CBS Mid-Morning News perhaps? "Stay tuned for The Price Is Right, following the news...")
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'227960\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 10:28 AM\']For example, Monty Hall had been playing a version of "put 4 or 5 prizes in order of least-to-most expensive" for years before TPIR retooled it as "It's In The Bag". Yeah, IITB can be argued as a variation on Hole in One (Or Two), but Monty still did the original Low-To-High pricing game first.[/quote]But that's not It's In The Bag, at all. IITB is matching products to revealed prices. If anything, it's probably closer to Phone Home Game.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'227967\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 12:05 PM\']If anything, it's probably closer to Phone Home Game.[/quote]
Nope. That game was home player gives price, on-stage contestant matches product with the price. No ranking of products there.
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I disagree with the notion that the Big Deal is anything like the Showcase. There is always a possibility that NOBODY will win anything in either showcase via a Double Overbid -- EVERYBODY playing in the Big Deal is guaranteed to win something, even if it is less in value than what they gave up for.
Well the first basic difference is that on TPIR, barring a double overbid, one player wins their showcase and the other loses. Never do both players win. If similarity between the two shows is that big a concern they should have gone with Pyramid.
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'227967\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 12:05 PM\']But that's not It's In The Bag, at all. IITB is matching products to revealed prices. If anything, it's probably closer to Phone Home Game.[/quote]
[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'227969\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 12:18 PM\']Nope. That game was home player gives price, on-stage contestant matches product with the price. No ranking of products there.[/quote]That's what I said. It's In The Bag is a matching game. There is no ranking.
Just to be clear, THIS (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHQ_gO9ku3g\") is It's In The Bag
THIS (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ONbNbfcsM\") is Hole In One.
EDIT-Wait, I see what happened here. This is what I said:
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'227967\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 12:05 PM\']But [the ranking game]'s not It's In The Bag, at all. [It's In The Bag] is matching products to revealed prices. If anything, [It's In The Bag]'s probably closer to Phone Home Game.[/quote]
This is what you thought I said:
[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'227967\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 12:05 PM\']But [the ranking game]'s not It's In The Bag, at all. [It's In The Bag] is matching products to revealed prices. If anything, [the ranking game]'s probably closer to Phone Home Game.[/quote]
That'll teach me to use third-person pronouns when dealing with more than one subject. :)
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[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'227972\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 11:29 AM\'][quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'227967\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 12:05 PM\']But that's not It's In The Bag, at all. IITB is matching products to revealed prices. If anything, it's probably closer to Phone Home Game.[/quote]
[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'227969\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 12:18 PM\']Nope. That game was home player gives price, on-stage contestant matches product with the price. No ranking of products there.[/quote]That's what I said. It's In The Bag is a matching game. There is no ranking.
Just to be clear, THIS (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHQ_gO9ku3g\") is It's In The Bag
THIS (http://\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2ONbNbfcsM\") is Hole In One.[/quote]I'm quite sure that Nicholas knows the difference between It's In the Bag and Hole in One.
Now, since you're being "mean" and criticizing others...
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Maybe what Wayne's version shows is just how little there is to "Let's Make a Deal." Monty's half-hour was taken up by all the fee plugs, and not just ones he used in pricing games. One thing Billy Bush's version did was try to add games that weren't pricing groceries, something desperately needed. "Spot the Cross-Dresser" may not have been one I'd have picked, but the show needs something.
It might be interesting to clock an old LMAD and "Whew!" to see which had more actual game in the half-hour.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'227970\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 12:22 PM\']If similarity between the two shows is that big a concern they should have gone with Pyramid.[/quote]
Probably not as big a concern as the amounts of money they'd be dishing out to and on Pyramid.
It does seem like there is a concerted effort to make LMAD as non-skill-based as possible, though. While watching one of the deals involving envelopes today, I couldn't help but wonder if they used to do the same deal (and do it better) using hard-boiled eggs.
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'227978\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 12:37 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'227970\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 12:22 PM\']If similarity between the two shows is that big a concern they should have gone with Pyramid.[/quote]
Probably not as big a concern as the amounts of money they'd be dishing out to and on Pyramid.
It does seem like there is a concerted effort to make LMAD as non-skill-based as possible, though. While watching one of the deals involving envelopes today, I couldn't help but wonder if they used to do the same deal (and do it better) using hard-boiled eggs.
[/quote]Yeah, I wonder how quickly they'll burn out with the same premise of "do you want this envelope/purse/poop bag full of money or the curtain/box. At least the original Deal could mix and match games of skill and guessing games.
And today after they offered a trader 2 shots at giving up the briefcase, I hoped she'd get an offer to participate in the Big Deal w/ another contestant, but sadly that didn't happen. The one contestant seems anticlimactic for some reason.
Finally, although it's impossible unless they forced local stations into a 2 hour block, a 45 minute Deal followed by a 1:15 TPiR would be heaven. Reminiscent of the two 45 minutes soaps from ABC.
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[quote name=\'MizzouRah!\' post=\'227996\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 05:03 PM\']Yeah, I wonder how quickly they'll burn out with the same premise of "do you want this envelope/purse/poop bag full of money or the curtain/box. At least the original Deal could mix and match games of skill and guessing games.[/quote]
I'm starting to feel the same way 3 days in. A solid hour of "Dis or Dat or sometimes De Other", regardless who is hosting, is gonna grow stale very quickly if they don't add some other type of games like the previous LMADs did.
The only game I have seen so far that could require some knowledge to beat the game is knowing exchange rates for currency.
I'd be happy if they added some Vegas-themed games into the mix, or some games involving pricing, but with the lack of variety in game play, I'm starting to get a feeling that Fremantle has destroyed yet another venerable show.
I just hope that Monty has enough say to implement some changes, like some games that require some thought.
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[quote name=\'MizzouRah!\' post=\'227996\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 05:03 PM\']Finally, although it's impossible unless they forced local stations into a 2 hour block, a 45 minute Deal followed by a 1:15 TPiR would be heaven. Reminiscent of the two 45 minutes soaps from ABC.[/quote]
That's not a bad idea, really. If I were in the power to do so, I'd still give LMAD the chance to stretch out first before I would commit to that decision. Namely because I don't know if TPIR would really benefit from the extra time. The new crew seems to have hit their stride with making the most of the hour. Drew cuts the crap and gets to the games (likely not on purpose, though), so it's not as bad a crunch as it used to be. I don't know that they could fill the new time constructively at this point without it looking like padding.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'227976\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 01:28 PM\']I'm quite sure that Nicholas knows the difference between It's In the Bag and Hole in One.[/quote]Well, because of our small misunderstanding, I wasn't sure. Mistakes happen. Hence, I clarified.
[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'227977\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 01:34 PM\']Maybe what Wayne's version shows is just how little there is to "Let's Make a Deal." Monty's half-hour was taken up by all the fee plugs, and not just ones he used in pricing games. One thing Billy Bush's version did was try to add games that weren't pricing groceries, something desperately needed. "Spot the Cross-Dresser" may not have been one I'd have picked, but the show needs something.[/quote]I remember they used to play a memory game with groceries and small prizes. There would be one under each letter of the prize's name. Another had people picking keys off a cash register trying to reach a target. Instead of "Spot the Cross-Dresser" they could have someone trying to spot a real something else, like a diamond ring or gold watch.
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'228006\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 05:44 PM\'][quote name=\'MizzouRah!\' post=\'227996\' date=\'Oct 7 2009, 05:03 PM\']Finally, although it's impossible unless they forced local stations into a 2 hour block, a 45 minute Deal followed by a 1:15 TPiR would be heaven. Reminiscent of the two 45 minutes soaps from ABC.[/quote]
That's not a bad idea, really. If I were in the power to do so, I'd still give LMAD the chance to stretch out first before I would commit to that decision. Namely because I don't know if TPIR would really benefit from the extra time. The new crew seems to have hit their stride with making the most of the hour. Drew cuts the crap and gets to the games (likely not on purpose, though), so it's not as bad a crunch as it used to be. I don't know that they could fill the new time constructively at this point without it looking like padding.
-Jason
[/quote]I do agree. This season of TPiR seems much smoother. I guess nipping a few seconds here and there(shortening the intro, less sponsor chatter, etc.) plus getting Drew in a groove has helped make it not seem like a mad dash to the finish.
And after giving it some thought, one negative to my thought about extending TPiR and shortening LMaD...This would ruin any chances for future reruns unless they played together. No way to pad or cut 15 minutes, unless you hacked away like the old CBN LMaD or got GSN to do their play-at-home games during breaks every time it airs.
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I wonder how quickly they'll burn out with the same premise of "do you want this envelope/purse/poop bag full of money or the curtain/box. At least the original Deal could mix and match games of skill and guessing games.
I'm starting to feel the same way 3 days in. A solid hour of "Dis or Dat or sometimes De Other", regardless who is hosting, is gonna grow stale very quickly if they don't add some other type of games like the previous LMADs did.
It's already stale. $500 or what's behind the curtain? Better to keep the known cash award than trade it for a prize you can't use/don't need or a possible zonk.
It seems that deals involving cash work better when the amount of cash is unknown. Remember "there's a $20 bill on the front and a $20 bill on the back and more bills in between"? Or Monty's Money Machine?
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[quote name=\'dad1153\' post=\'227697\' date=\'Oct 5 2009, 08:02 AM\']So, what did everyone think of the premiere of the new "Deal"? For starters, they really need to cut this down to 30 minutes ASAP (preferably with that unsold version of "Pyramid"). It just can't last as an hour-long strip.[/quote]
30 minutes would be a much better fit, but the problem could be that they don't really have anything to fill the other 30 minutes.
My first thought, expanding The Bold & the Beautiful to an hour, appears to have been a non-starter from the beginning.
As for having Pyramid, or a half-hour version of the Regis Password, I think I see the problem there; both of these shows have celebrities that, presumably, would stay for an entire week, which (a) would require taping five shows a day (assuming this is a problem of some sort), and (b) would make it harder to be able to show repeats on an episode-by-episode needed basis ("we need two episodes repeated on the Thursday/Friday of the first round of the NCAA men's basketball tournament"). This rules out TattleTales and Match Game as well.
(My next ideas were to bring back a panel show like What's My Line or I've Got a Secret, but neither of those do that well on a daily basis (pun not intended). Then it hit me - have five different shows fill the time slot; say, Password, WML, IGAS, TattleTales, and Match Game (or Beat The Clock). One small problem; you need five sets, each of which would be used for one show a week.)
The problem is, there are ways to fill the extra 30 minutes with something other than a game show.
-- Don
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i coulda sworn i saw a lmad promo with a crap table
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[quote name=\'dad1153\' post=\'227697\' date=\'Oct 5 2009, 08:02 AM\']So, what did everyone think of the premiere of the new "Deal"?[/quote]
I found it quite boring and slow.
[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'228067\' date=\'Oct 8 2009, 03:05 PM\']My first thought, expanding The Bold & the Beautiful to an hour, appears to have been a non-starter from the beginning.[/quote]
The information I have from a reliable source, is that it has been brought up but Bradley Bell doesn't want the extra work.
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[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'228067\' date=\'Oct 8 2009, 03:05 PM\']...and (b) would make it harder to be able to show repeats on an episode-by-episode needed basis ("we need two episodes repeated on the Thursday/Friday of the first round of the NCAA men's basketball tournament"). This rules out TattleTales and Match Game as well.[/quote]Record one week of an all-celebrity week. Plug as needed - run the remainder at the end of the season.
Thinking about things - there would be at maximum 18:00 for content in a half-hour program, plus one minute for opening titles + closing credits. That, to me, seems like plenty of time for two sets of deals, a big deal, and audience deals/side deals.
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[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' post=\'228067\' date=\'Oct 8 2009, 02:05 PM\']As for having Pyramid, or a half-hour version of the Regis Password, I think I see the problem there; both of these shows have celebrities that, presumably, would stay for an entire week, which (a) would require taping five shows a day (assuming this is a problem of some sort), and (b) would make it harder to be able to show repeats on an episode-by-episode needed basis ("we need two episodes repeated on the Thursday/Friday of the first round of the NCAA men's basketball tournament"). This rules out TattleTales and Match Game as well.[/quote]
Your point is generally valid, but I'll disagree on TattleTales. Even though they generally did five shows a week, there's nothing to stop them from only taping three or four and using them as needed.
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They also piloted Dating Game, so that could run anytime in any order. Q&A rounds can be shortened as needed.
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Your point is generally valid, but I'll disagree on TattleTales. Even though they generally did five shows a week, there's nothing to stop them from only taping three or four and using them as needed.
For most of the first year of Tattletales in 1974, they didn't even run the shows in order. Most of the time they had two weeks running concurrently (one group of celebrities one day, another the next). It probably wouldn't matter if they ran them weeks apart from each other - unless one of the celebrities happened to be promoting something that was premiering that week.
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As for having Pyramid, or a half-hour version of the Regis Password, I think I see the problem there; both of these shows have celebrities that, presumably, would stay for an entire week, which (a) would require taping five shows a day
It worked for every other daytime game show which used celebrities. MG used to tape six shows per day with time to spare for the celebs to get potted.
and (b) would make it harder to be able to show repeats on an episode-by-episode needed basis ("we need two episodes repeated on the Thursday/Friday of the first round of the NCAA men's basketball tournament"). This rules out TattleTales and Match Game as well.
So you rerun TPIR episodes to fill one hour and Pyramid to fill a half hour.
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'228068\' date=\'Oct 8 2009, 02:26 PM\']i coulda sworn i saw a lmad promo with a crap table[/quote]
Me, too. And it has to be more interesting than karats or carrots.
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I *didn't* see the promo, but some sort of gambling game would seem to be right up LMAD's alley. Bring on the dice! Bring on the wheels! Bring on the cards! There's still plenty of room for boxes and curtains and doors.
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[quote name=\'Clay Zambo\' post=\'228126\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 01:59 PM\']I *didn't* see the promo, but some sort of gambling game would seem to be right up LMAD's alley. Bring on the dice! Bring on the wheels! Bring on the cards! There's still plenty of room for boxes and curtains and doors.[/quote]
Is that "prize, chance and consideration" FCC rule still in effect, or is it out the window because LMAD is taped in Vegas? (Consideration being that hard boiled egg/nickel/etc. that is traded in order to play.)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'228137\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 03:51 PM\']Is that "prize, chance and consideration" FCC rule still in effect, or is it out the window because LMAD is taped in Vegas? (Consideration being that hard boiled egg/nickel/etc. that is traded in order to play.)[/quote]
Admittedly, I've only seen two and a half episodes, but I have yet to see them go through the old pretense of the contestant giving the host some insignificant item in order to begin the deal. So it would be easy enough for Wayne to just say, "You look like you want to make some deals. Here's $500. Let's play some craps!"
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'228137\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 01:51 PM\']Is that "prize, chance and consideration" FCC rule still in effect, or is it out the window because LMAD is taped in Vegas? (Consideration being that hard boiled egg/nickel/etc. that is traded in order to play.)[/quote]
Unless "W" and his friends did something else crazy while in the White House, the FCC lottery rules are still in effect. In this example, charging the audience members to participate (consideration) would be the element that would create the illegal lottery.
Randy
tvrandywest.com
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Is that "prize, chance and consideration" FCC rule still in effect
Yes.
or is it out the window because LMAD is taped in Vegas?
No.
(Consideration being that hard boiled egg/nickel/etc. that is traded in order to play.)
The way around this is that you don't require the contestant to actually forfeit the egg, nickel, etc. They merely have to produce it.
LMAD is all about trading knowns for unknowns, so any casino game would have to incorporate that. Slot machines work particularly well on TV. You could have a deal where the contestant must spin, say, $5,000 in three spins, and offer them an unknown between each spin. If they reach $5,000 within three spins they keep the money, otherwise, nada.
You may ask "How can poker tournaments be on TV?". Answer: they are on cable, not on FCC-licensed broadcast stations.
Lotteries
The FCC has defined a lottery as “any game, contest, or promotion that combines the elements of prize, chance, and consideration.” Federal law generally prohibits the broadcast of any advertisement or information concerning a lottery. Advertisements or information about the following activities, however, are permitted:
• lotteries conducted by a state acting under the authority of state law, where the advertisement or information is broadcast by a radio or television station licensed to alocation in that state or in any other state that conducts such a lottery;
• gambling conducted by an Indian tribe pursuant to the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act; or
• lotteries that are authorized or not otherwise prohibited by the state in which they are conducted, are conducted by a not-for-profit or governmental organization, or are conducted as a promotional activity by a commercial organization and are
clearly occasional and ancillary to the primary business of that organization.
Casino gambling is a form of lottery because it has the elements of prize, chance, and consideration.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'228147\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 06:57 PM\']You may ask "How can poker tournaments be on TV?". Answer: they are on cable, not on FCC-licensed broadcast stations.[/quote]
With all due respect, what about the Heads-Up Poker Tourney that NBC runs yearly?
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[quote name=\'TeppanYaki\' post=\'228149\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 08:55 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'228147\' date=\'Oct 9 2009, 06:57 PM\']You may ask "How can poker tournaments be on TV?". Answer: they are on cable, not on FCC-licensed broadcast stations.[/quote]
With all due respect, what about the Heads-Up Poker Tourney that NBC runs yearly?
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I've never heard anything about a buy-in to that. I'm thinking it falls in the same boat as The Skins Game in that there's money at stake, but it's all house money.
Fwiw, I thought Friday's show was really good in terms of games. Execution was still lacking, but it's a hopeful sign.