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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: mparrish11 on November 10, 2009, 12:22:33 PM
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Link to the slideshow at foxnews.com (http://\"http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/11/09/stars-whove-gone-game?test=faces\")
Good morning, all! Found this at foxnews.com, while killing some time at work. Enjoy!
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Never saw the Jodie Sweetin or Melanie Brown shows somehow.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'230311\' date=\'Nov 10 2009, 11:30 AM\']Never saw the Jodie Sweetin or Melanie Brown shows somehow.[/quote]
Sweetin is "Pants-Off Dance-Off" on FUSE TV I guess, and Melanie Brown was "The Singing Office" on TLC with Fatone. I also have not seen either of these.
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I only watched P-O D-O for the articles.
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I only go to foxnews.com for the game show articles
/neocon bastards
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[quote name=\'toetyper\' post=\'230340\' date=\'Nov 10 2009, 05:39 PM\']/neocon bastards[/quote]I have yet to meet a person who can actually give a definitive meaning to this word, so I figure it's just a catch-all for "people who don't think exactly like me."
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'230341\' date=\'Nov 10 2009, 06:26 PM\']I have yet to meet a person who can actually give a definitive meaning to this word[/quote]
Then I suggest that you haven't been looking. (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism\")
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'230346\' date=\'Nov 10 2009, 07:09 PM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'230341\' date=\'Nov 10 2009, 06:26 PM\']I have yet to meet a person who can actually give a definitive meaning to this word[/quote]
Then I suggest that you haven't been looking. (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism\")
[/quote]I submit that people who use "neocon" do so in a derisive way, and not in the way that the Pedia article says, or to neutrally describe a person whose beliefs are those of a new conservatism. It's always "neocon bastards." I don't buy it.
/Like I give a damn what Wikipedia says anymore, anyway.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'230358\' date=\'Nov 10 2009, 09:10 PM\']It's always "neocon bastards."[/quote]
Well, you see, it's because they're generally bastards.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'230358\' date=\'Nov 11 2009, 12:10 AM\']I submit that people who use "neocon" do so in a derisive way, and not in the way that the Pedia article says, or to neutrally describe a person whose beliefs are those of a new conservatism.[/quote]
And Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity et al use "liberal" in a similarly derisive way. It doesn't make the definition any less accurate, or any more difficult to understand. Not liking the usage is one thing. Claiming that it's irrelevant because nobody knows what it means is something else.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'230369\' date=\'Nov 11 2009, 04:44 AM\']And Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity et al use "liberal" in a similarly derisive way. It doesn't make the definition any less accurate, or any more difficult to understand. Not liking the usage is one thing. Claiming that it's irrelevant because nobody knows what it means is something else.[/quote]
In Travis's defense, linking to Wikipedia was probably a poor decision on my part since the Wiki folks are going to have such an incredible hard-on over NPOV in an article like that so as to make the content pretty much worthless.
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[quote name=\'mparrish11\' post=\'230310\' date=\'Nov 10 2009, 10:22 AM\']Link to the slideshow at foxnews.com (http://\"http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/11/09/stars-whove-gone-game?test=faces\")
Good morning, all! Found this at foxnews.com, while killing some time at work. Enjoy![/quote]
Kind of a lame-o topic, since over 95% of those who were game show hosts were celebrities of some sort already (radio, TV, movie, music, sports, etc,...)
What they need to do is a list of those who weren't celebrities before becoming a game show host. Two that come to mind:
Michael Reilly (Monopoly)
The Inquizitor (Inquizition)
Others?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'230379\' date=\'Nov 11 2009, 12:14 PM\']What they need to do is a list of those who weren't celebrities before becoming a game show host:
The Inquizitor (Inquizition)[/quote]
In that case, it depends on the real identity of The Inquizitor.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'230379\' date=\'Nov 11 2009, 11:14 AM\']Kind of a lame-o topic, since over 95% of those who were game show hosts were celebrities of some sort already (radio, TV, movie, music, sports, etc,...)
What they need to do is a list of those who weren't celebrities before becoming a game show host. Two that come to mind:
Michael Reilly (Monopoly)
The Inquizitor (Inquizition)
Others?[/quote]
Those are solid examples. Others would largely depend on where you set the bar for celebrity. Would Bill Cullen have been considered a celebrity before Winner Take All?
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Ok, I'll place myself in the Looney Bin with this response:
I would disagree that Beck is a NeoCon. According to my definition (not the TJW '90 definition) a NeoCon is a progressive Republican; someone along the lines of Theodore Roosevelt, who wants a large government but with the image of a free market. In addition, Neocons support "spreading Democracy" through force. In essence, Neocons and leftist Globalists are almost one in the same; Globalists want to control the world through a one world government, and Neocons want to control the world though the US government.
Now, Hannity and Limbaugh are definitely party "marks" (to use a wrestling term), and still support the progressive Republican agenda of GWB and John McLame simply because they had an R next to their name. Meanwhile, Beck in 2008 devoted entire episodes of his TV show interviewing Ron Paul (during the primary) and Bob Barr (Libertarian nominee). Even today. Beck has been supporting people voting for third party candidates and has many times said that both parties "stink on ice." And to clarify, he voted for Sarah Palin (but I know the reason why he had to) in 2008, but he knew that between Obama and McCain, we were getting either Progressive or Progressive-Lite.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get the back of my shirt chalked by Beck, and my tinfoil hart is ready.
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Game shows and politics don't mix. Otherwise the Bill Cullen-Monty Hall collaboration "The Choice Is Yours" would have sold.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'230369\' date=\'Nov 11 2009, 04:44 AM\']And Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity et al use "liberal" in a similarly derisive way. It doesn't make the definition any less accurate, or any more difficult to understand. Not liking the usage is one thing. Claiming that it's irrelevant because nobody knows what it means is something else.[/quote]But I'm not talking about the bobbleheads who make a living by saying whatever will move the Nielsen meter. I'm talking about people I've interacted with who use "neocon" as that language shortcut that I mentioned before.
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'230377\' date=\'Nov 11 2009, 08:40 AM\']In Travis's defense, linking to Wikipedia was probably a poor decision on my part since the Wiki folks are going to have such an incredible hard-on over NPOV in an article like that so as to make the content pretty much worthless.[/quote]And the thing is that the Wiki definition doesn't seem that horrible: a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries. In economics, unlike traditionalist conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.
That doesn't sound entirely horrible. And that doesn't seem to be the way that I've seen the term "neocon" used. Ever.
I get that there are people who disagree with conservative principles. I encountered hundreds of them throughout college. And if you don't like conservatives on a personal level, well, I can't control that any more than I could flap my arms and get to the moon. But there's a difference between "I disagree (sharply, even!) with your political views" and "he's just a neocon bastard."
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'230435\' date=\'Nov 11 2009, 10:34 PM\']And the thing is that the Wiki definition doesn't seem that horrible:[/quote]
Precisely my point: in their ridiculous effort to be NPOV and at the same time politically correct with regard to a term that is at its base neither, they've missed it completely.
You don't have to like that the literal definition of the word has changed, but the fact is, when someone refers to a "neocon" today, most reasonable people get the image of the right-wing whackjobs like Hannity and Limbaugh and Beck and much of the previous administration. That's how it is.
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David Zinkin always told me that he considered "neo-con" to be a libelous synonym for "filthy Jew." So it's more of a slur than one might imagine, at least in the eyes of some.
/not a neo-con
//anymore
///and really shouldn't be discussing politics on a game show board
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[quote name=\'comicus\' post=\'230442\' date=\'Nov 12 2009, 04:42 AM\']David Zinkin always told me that he considered "neo-con" to be a libelous synonym for "filthy Jew."[/quote]
David had a lot of strange opinions, including some with regard to anti-Semitism.
And, again, while it might have had that meaning at one time, the meaning as understood today has been usurped. I'm pretty sure "O'Reilly" and "Hannity" aren't Jewish names. :)
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' post=\'230385\' date=\'Nov 11 2009, 01:10 PM\']Would Bill Cullen have been considered a celebrity before Winner Take All?[/quote]
Onr of the prizes in my collection, something not even Fred Wostbrock has, is a full-page Variety ad taken out by Bill's management team announcing his move to television with Winner Take All. By 1952, he was an established radio host with half a dozen games to his credit, not to mention a dozen or more shows for which he was an announcer.
All going to show that yes, by and large, the whole idea of the list is kinda silly, but what else is new? Plus their definition of "star" could use a little bit of work. Seinfeld and Ferris Bueller character work notwithstanding, to whatever degree John O'Hurley and Ben Stein have become household names, they probably have their game shows to thank. I also have a hard time thinkng of people like Sweetin and Ribeiro as "stars" when their only significant credit is as a supporting child actor in a sitcom. Put it this way, how weird is a list like this which includes Jodie Sweetin and doesn't include Bob Saget?
Lists of famous people who "went game show" certainly aren't new. Back in the day, such a list would include folks like Milton Berle, Jackie Gleason, Groucho Marx and the like. Heck, even Betty White would qualify. But those people were stars. "Carlton" wasn't.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'230455\' date=\'Nov 12 2009, 08:54 AM\']Lists of famous people who "went game show"[/quote]You make it sound so...dirty. :)