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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: JasonA1 on December 16, 2009, 12:28:48 AM
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Seeing a summary of a more recent show, it seems like the deals on the new LMAD are getting marginally better. Is there anyone here who's bothered to check out the show lately, or even that stuck with it who could shed some light? Is the show improving? Or in the same territory as before?
-Jason
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I have been watching the show pretty much any day that I'm home when it comes on (usually only on Tuesdays), but I would agree that I feel the show has improved a lot. I'm loving the rapport between Wayne and Jonathan, and the deals are getting more engaging and creative. Granted, some fall flat, but others are quite enjoyable.
The Big Deal still rubs me the wrong way; I don't like how Wayne draws out fake suspense when it's clear the last door opened is always the Big Deal. And I still think an hour is too long; it's engaging, but I don't think I could watch it every day during the week and still be entertained over the course of a year.
While some deals are getting more imaginative, a good number of them are still some variation of "Bucks or box/Cash or curtain?" As much as I'd like to see the show succeed to hopefully pave the way for more game shows in daytime, I'd probably be as shocked as anyone if it got renewed for next season.
Long story short: Yes; I do see marked improvements in the show, but, personally, I still don't see the show keeping viewers interested for a long period of time.
Anthony
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I catch it whenever I can, quite a harmless way to spend an hour.
Am I the only one who thinks the theme and incidental music are quite... weak?
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[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'232395\' date=\'Dec 16 2009, 03:01 AM\']I catch it whenever I can, quite a harmless way to spend an hour.
Am I the only one who thinks the theme and incidental music are quite... weak?[/quote]
I watch it when I can, usually at work...it's a pretty harmless way to spend the hour, and yes the games have gotten a bit more creative. Wayne and Jonathan do have great chemistry, but there's something lacking. It seems like the typical Fremantle production, cookie-cutter, but not the worst thing in the world either. I'd put it in more of the Family Feud or Million Dollar Password category: cookie-cutter and could be so much better, but could also be absolutely abysmal like Temptation or Card Sharks 01.
And just like your typical Fremantle production, the theme seems to be an endless loop of :30 stock music that sounds like the demo function on a Casio keyboard. All the more reason I'd love to hear a clear copy of the LMaD80 theme song.
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LMaD is getting its rhythm and turning into a pretty good show. I just can't watch the whole hour...it's just too long.
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I have seen the show on average about 1.5 times a week. Agreed that they are improving on the contents of the show. I still would like to see the Monty Hall Big Deal era return (2 contestants v 3 doors) though, and Wayne needs to drop the suspense on whether or not the first door revealed is the Big Deal, since it NEVER IS!!!
Two other little pet peeves I have about the show that I don't believe have been mentioned:
1) Why does Wayne have to ask the crowd EVERY FREAKIN TIME "Who wants to make a deal?", followed by 20-30 seconds of club music in the background??? What happened to the Monty Hall style where the crowd was quiet, and Monty would say some things while walking around a particular section of the trading floor then all of a sudden ask someone to stand up for the next deal with little or no fanfare??? Can't there be a mix of the Monty & Wayne styles of picking contestants???
2) That trombone Zonk music is getting a little annoying along with the obligatory "what little sound effect cue would go best with this zonk?". If this was a 30-minute show, the WAH WAH WAHHHHH wouldn't be as grating since it would be more limited, but let's add a little variety in the "Zonk" cues, and drop the pointless, obligatory sfx.
BTW, I may be heading out to Sin City in Feb/Mar. Has anybody attended a LMAD taping yet? How soon do you have to get into a line to insure you get in? How long does it currently take to shoot a complete show? Etc....
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I still watch whenever I'm home and have the time.
I like some of the games they have played so far (my favorite is "Keep on Rollin"). It seems they've decided not to step on Price's toes by not reviving any variation of the "price the item within this range" game.
The music package isn't the greatest, but it's not terrible- it gets the job done.
The Big Deal reveal grates me. If the Big Deal is always revealed last, why build up suspense? Just do it Monty-style, because eventually, people will catch on (if they haven't already).
Quick question, though: I dunno how often Jay Stewart was part of the Zonk "skit", but can't a contestant basically sniff one out if Jonathan comes up missing all of a sudden?
Overall, I'm liking the show. Hopefully they don't experience a sophomore slump.
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Ratings in our market for the show were good enough for CBS that if the show got the ratings it did here nationwide, it would be a surefire bet for renewal.
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[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'232432\' date=\'Dec 16 2009, 11:17 AM\']I like some of the games they have played so far (my favorite is "Keep on Rollin"). It seems they've decided not to step on Price's toes by not reviving any variation of the "price the item within this range" game.[/quote]
Funny you should mention that. On today's show, they played what pretty much was a larger scale version of Keep or Give. But then again, KoG has been retired from Price, hasn't it?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'232469\' date=\'Dec 16 2009, 08:53 PM\'][quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'232432\' date=\'Dec 16 2009, 11:17 AM\']I like some of the games they have played so far (my favorite is "Keep on Rollin"). It seems they've decided not to step on Price's toes by not reviving any variation of the "price the item within this range" game.[/quote]
Funny you should mention that. On today's show, they played what pretty much was a larger scale version of Keep or Give. But then again, KoG has been retired from Price, hasn't it?
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to quote the big book of nitpicking, Give or Keep
Yeah, it sorta had that Give or Keep-like scenario, except rather than two prizes with unknown prices per pair, it was one prize with a known price, and one unknown prize.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'232469\' date=\'Dec 16 2009, 07:53 PM\']But then again, KoG has been retired from Price, hasn't it?[/quote]
Yep, since 1990.
/Shame, really. I liked that game.
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I DVR the show everyday, and variety in the deals have gotten so much better. Even when they do a "this or that" deal, they usually throw in some kind of clue or stipulation to make it unique and interesting. There was one deal last week I thought was clever. Wayne offers someone cash or a box, they choose the box and it's a broken umbrella. Wayne gets another contestant and offers them cash or a curtain, they take the curtain and it's a pile of broken umbrellas. Now Wayne gets another contestant and tells them no more broken umbrellas. Again, cash or a box, they take the box and it's a working umbrella. Finally, another contestant is picked and is told no more umbrellas of any kind. Cash or a curtain, they pick the curtain, and it's a trip to the Amazon Rainforest. Now, I saw the working umbrella coming, but I wasn't sure what the last deal would be, and thought the Rainforest trip was a clever finale. Like others have said, there is still room for improvement, but I thoroughly enjoy the show.
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'232424\' date=\'Dec 16 2009, 01:50 PM\']BTW, I may be heading out to Sin City in Feb/Mar. Has anybody attended a LMAD taping yet? How soon do you have to get into a line to insure you get in? How long does it currently take to shoot a complete show? Etc....[/quote]
Well if you want to give yourself a better shot of getting in, try On Camera Audiences (http://\"http://www.ocatv.com/shows/\"). The times are listed and you can get your tickets from the site and print them. Just keep checking back to find a date closer to your trip. I haven't been, but an easy hour and a half would be a fair recommendation. I may be heading there this weekend so I'll keep you posted if I do make it.
In regards to taping length, I'm assuming a live-to-tape situation with relatively few pick-ups so roughly an hour and a half to two hour taping at most. It looks like they shoot twice a day with, oddly, a third show being taped an hour after the 2:00 p.m. show this Thursday. I'm wondering if that's a mistake or if they're going to just install a revolving door.
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I went back in October to a taping, that did not air in Norfolk due to a Nor'easter. We lined up at 11:45 for the 2 PM show - had no trouble getting in. After the interview process (in which we were asked one question), we got seated around 3 PM in the studio - and taping was done by 4:30 PM. We had some good costumes, so Rocco, the warm-up guy pulled us from the line and sat us right behind Wayne's home base.
All in all, it was a fun show. And without tipping off the production staff - yes, you can sniff. Had I been picked as a contestant, there were several times I would have known a Zonk was behind the curtain because someone wasn't at his announcer's stand. ;) Though the person I was with was too busy paying attention to the show to notice, as I think a lot of contestants are. One thing I did find odd was the amount of cue cards Wayne relied on. I know the deals are complicated at times, and there is a lot to remember, but he really did use them a lot.
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[quote name=\'Lirodon\' post=\'232470\' date=\'Dec 16 2009, 08:04 PM\']Yeah, it sorta had that Give or Keep-like scenario, except rather than two prizes with unknown prices per pair, it was one prize with a known price, and one unknown prize.[/quote]
Yeah, until you got up the last prize, which was a car and something that wasn't anywhere near the price of a car. I liked the game up until that point, when it became apparent that its outcome hinged on the last pair, making the first two pairs irrelevant. It would have been fine if they just used two trips for that last pair.
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Huh, that's strange WNEM doesn't clear all of CBS' sked, so they have LMaD on WNEM-DT2 instead. (I'm a poet and didn't know it.)
I swear, WNEM is the most wacked affiliate I've ever seen.
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One thing that will stick in my mind is one episode I saw where they played some dice game and saw "TEMP SHOT" on the top of the screen when they showed the dice table. How that got to air is beyond me.
Otherwise, it's not bad. I would have to agree that it needs to be truncated to 30 minutes, it feels like it drags on too long otherwise.
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On Friday's show, Wayne did something Monty Hall mentioned he did a couple times. He had a few envelopes in his pocket, and handed the contestant the microphone while getting them out of his inside pocket. He then took the envelopes and started talking into THEM! He caught his mistake and laughed. Monty had said on LMAD that he once had a bottle of spray starch in one hand and mistook that for a microphone.
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Finally watched a full episode today in real time. Meh! Everything was okay but I found nothing really compelling about this version. Only one trader for the Big Deal is a let down. Highlight: the look of disappointment of one trader when he was zonked.
Edit: I enjoyed the literal setting of the stage for the Big Deal.
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Nothing against Wayne Brady, mind you, but what would you think of Harry "the Hat" Anderson as host of LMaD?
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Actually, Wayne is a good host, but they better change back the Big Deal to what it was.
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[quote name=\'alfonzos\' post=\'233309\' date=\'Dec 31 2009, 05:37 PM\']Nothing against Wayne Brady, mind you, but what would you think of Harry "the Hat" Anderson as host of LMaD?[/quote]
He's been away from acting for years plus from what I've seen, he's aged quite a bit. If this was a GSN show, definitely. They love 80s celebs in emcee roles.
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'233317\' date=\'Dec 31 2009, 06:43 PM\'][quote name=\'alfonzos\' post=\'233309\' date=\'Dec 31 2009, 05:37 PM\']Nothing against Wayne Brady, mind you, but what would you think of Harry "the Hat" Anderson as host of LMaD?[/quote]
He's been away from acting for years plus from what I've seen, he's aged quite a bit. If this was a GSN show, definitely. They love 80s celebs in emcee roles.
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His established persona is that of a smart-alecky con man, not really right for this. Monty was the best, he zonked the ladies and they still wanted to hug him.
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I finally got to watch an episode yesterday (yes, I'm on top of things), and I enjoyed it very much. Wayne doesn't quite have the snake-oil salesman vibe that Monty has, but he still does a good job. His interaction with Jonathan was very good, and he seemed to be enjoying himself. I only had some minor nits to pick other than the big one that everyone mentions, namely the one-player Big Deal and Wayne's buildup about which one is the Big Deal when we all know darn well it's the last one revealed, just as it always was in previous versions. I'm not sure I would watch the whole hour every day if I were home, but I wouldn't mind seeing it from time to time. An hour is probably too long, but then again with the amount of commercial time today, a half hour might end up being too short.
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Mark Evanier weighs in on the subject here (http://\"http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2010_01_02.html#018289\"). He, too, notes the problem with the one-player Big Deal: "That means there's a 66.6% chance each day that the show ends on a losing note and a thud."
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'233338\' date=\'Dec 31 2009, 10:55 PM\']I only had some minor nits to pick other than the big one that everyone mentions, namely the one-player Big Deal and Wayne's buildup about which one is the Big Deal when we all know darn well it's the last one revealed, just as it always was in previous versions.[/quote]
Either this was an aberration, or somebody is finally paying attention to the situation of the Big Deal always being the last Door opened. Last week, in one show, she picked Door #3, which they showed last -- BUT IT WASN'T THE BIG DEAL! The Big Deal was opened before that -- the LMAD Bank holding over $26,000 in Door #2. She got a $13,000 car -- which was good enough for her.
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[quote name=\'Mike Tennant\' post=\'233496\' date=\'Jan 3 2010, 06:09 PM\']Mark Evanier weighs in on the subject here (http://\"http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2010_01_02.html#018289\"). He, too, notes the problem with the one-player Big Deal: "That means there's a 66.6% chance each day that the show ends on a losing note and a thud."[/quote]
If you're Mike Richards it isn't a problem; it's a prize-budget saver. Kind of like saying "it's not a bug, it's a 'feature'".
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'233504\' date=\'Jan 3 2010, 08:31 PM\']If you're Mike Richards it isn't a problem; it's a prize-budget saver. Kind of like saying "it's not a bug, it's a 'feature'".[/quote]It'll quit being a feature when people stop watching because their big built-in climax never pays off.
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Anyone bothering to watch LMAD anymore? It seems like the pace is much quicker now days. I was surprised when I realized an hour had passed the last show I watched.
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Have the deals become any more creative? The last time I watched there was a surfeit of "You can have $500 or what's behind the curtain" deals. This is ironic given the library of legacy deals Monty must have access to.
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Just like many of the previous posters have said, the Big Deal -- with or without having 2 players vs. 3 doors -- still needs some work on the reveals. One other thing that Monty did every so often on the Big Deal is to have some prizes or a trip, and then Monty pulled out a check for $xx,xxx amount ("Here's a little spending money to go with your trip to Fiji", for example) bringing the total deal to it's advertised amount. Wayne's Big Deals are either all-prizes or (occasionally) all-cash, but nothing in-between.
Also, how many times during the show does Wayne have to keep reminding us that the Big Deal is coming up later??? We KNOW the Big Deal happens at the end of the show, just like how the Big Deal is never the first one revealed. Over at The Price Is Right, you don't hear Drew mentioning "the Showcase or the Showcase Showdown is coming up" in damn near every segment. If he does mention something coming up, either the Showcase or the Showcase Showdown, he may just be saying to the contestant that he'll see them there later in the show.
I still can't see why they won't do an occasional pricing game or game involving groceries of some kind, like what Monty did.
Otherwise, it is looking better overall than what it did in the first season. I haven't heard how the ratings have been as of late, but I don't think CBS is hurting in that hour.
Speaking of the ratings, how is Chenbot's "The Talk" going with the Nielsens??? Is it doing better than what ATWT did in it's time slot? Is it doing better in ratings than LMAD?
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Speaking of the ratings, how is Chenbot's "The Talk" going with the Nielsens??? Is it doing better than what ATWT did in it's time slot? Is it doing better in ratings than LMAD?
Ratings are solid enough that it's been picked up for another season. I've heard from folks at the local affiliate that programmers are quite curious about next year, the post-Oprah effect (and also, to a lesser extent, post-Regis), to see what gets elevated, what thrives, and what doesn't survive. It's a new game for early afternoon and there are no clear expectations for what's gonna cut it.
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Did anyone see the LMAD "Decades Show" from Wed? I think it was pretty well done. A lot more effort was put into that show than most. The big deal was a 55 Thunderbird convertible similar to what they've done on Price. I would have liked to seen Monty Hall on a show about all of the decades!
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I've been catching the show whenever I can. The second year is much improved.
Brady has loosened up quite nicely to become a very good host and I really like the "partners-in-crime"-like chemistry he's developed with Mangum.
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The show isn't half bad. It's not appointment television, but it's on at work each day and I at least halfway pay attention to it, although mostly on mute with the captioning. I still would love to see the show shortened to a half-hour, with the second half of the hour being a nice Pyramid revival. A boy can dream, at least.
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This post (http://"http://www.soapoperanetwork.com/ratings/item/4177-the-talk-vs-atwt-which-does/did-better-plus-full-daytime-ratings") (courtesy of SoapOperaNetwork.com) contains all daytime ratings from the week of March 11. Surprisingly enough, LMAD is holding it's own in the ratings, unsurprisingly except for 18-49, although it is tied with All My Children. And TPIR has carved out a nearly full ratings point lead over "The View". No wonder ABC is seriously considering cancelling one of its soaps.
Tyshaun
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I can never find a full list of daytime ratings, so thanks for the link. How does TPiR's 3.7 compare to the end of the Barker/beginning of the Carey eras? Wasn't it finishing 2nd to Y&R for awhile?
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Per Buzzerblog, Deal will be along for the ride next season.
Not only has the show been renewed for season three, but taping is already scheduled to commence really soon. Good for Brady and company.
That makes it the first iteration of Deal that makes it past two seasons since...well, the original edition. I'm sold.
The Inquisitive One
EDIT: And by soon, I mean June 1.