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Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: TimK2003 on March 02, 2010, 05:38:16 AM
(Forgive me in advance for not knowing the name of the specific music cue in question).

I caught the Monday 3/1/10 ep of TPIR, and noticed the same prize description music cue being used for LINE Em Up and (IIRC) Double Prices which were within 2 pricing games of each other.  

Was this just coincidence, or is Fremantle "simplifying" or drastically reducing the number of available music cues for one reason or another?
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: chris319 on March 02, 2010, 06:32:52 AM
Repeating music cues within a show doesn't save them any money. They must still pay for each play.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on March 02, 2010, 07:16:18 AM
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'236655\' date=\'Mar 2 2010, 05:38 AM\']I caught the Monday 3/1/10 ep of TPIR, and noticed the same prize description music cue being used for Add Em Up[/quote]Don't know what show you were watching--Add 'Em Up has been gone for over 20 years.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: snowpeck on March 02, 2010, 07:17:20 AM
So it then amounts to laziness in music selection I suppose. Is Stan Blits still music director in addition to all his other duties?

Greg
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: chris319 on March 02, 2010, 10:37:13 AM
Stan has never been musical director. He is a music supervisor.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: Unrealtor on March 02, 2010, 10:41:07 AM
I wouldn't call "laziness" until something like this happened more than once. For all we know, Stan (or whoever's actually in charge of pushing the button) played the wrong track accidentally and nobody noticed or the powers that be didn't think it was worth re-shooting the reveal.

For that matter, if it was intentional, I'm not sure that it's a bad thing to have the same cue twice per show once in a blue moon. How many people (present company and g-r.net excepted) would actually notice that two of the 14+ music cues per show were the same and how many of them would think it's a bad thing?
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: Clay Zambo on March 02, 2010, 12:06:03 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'236658\' date=\'Mar 2 2010, 07:16 AM\'][quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'236655\' date=\'Mar 2 2010, 05:38 AM\']I caught the Monday 3/1/10 ep of TPIR, and noticed the same prize description music cue being used for Add Em Up[/quote]Don't know what show you were watching--Add 'Em Up has been gone for over 20 years.
[/quote]

That was Line 'em Up.  
/file under Mistake, Hardly worth Noting.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: ClockGameJohn on March 02, 2010, 12:42:03 PM
To be fair, the cues were not identical.

The 3-prize introduction for Line 'Em Up (Act 5) was S-32.

The cue used in Squeeze Play (Act 6) was M-32.

Same melody, different instrumentation.  I would agree that generally this doesn't (and shouldn't) happen.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: Jeremy Nelson on March 02, 2010, 03:30:09 PM
I don't know if I call it lazy or not....didn't PiR often use part of The Cats more than once on each show during the Barker age?
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: Thunder on March 03, 2010, 10:48:43 AM
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'236671\' date=\'Mar 2 2010, 12:42 PM\']To be fair, the cues were not identical.

The 3-prize introduction for Line 'Em Up (Act 5) was S-32.

The cue used in Squeeze Play (Act 6) was M-32.
...[/quote]


I'm... impressed.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: TimK2003 on March 03, 2010, 11:32:51 PM
[quote name=\'Thunder\' post=\'236741\' date=\'Mar 3 2010, 08:48 AM\'][quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'236671\' date=\'Mar 2 2010, 12:42 PM\']To be fair, the cues were not identical.

The 3-prize introduction for Line 'Em Up (Act 5) was S-32.

The cue used in Squeeze Play (Act 6) was M-32.
...[/quote]


I'm... impressed.
[/quote]

[Longing for the era when musical cues had actual Names and not Sci-Fi droid numbers] :)
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: Mr. Bill on March 04, 2010, 03:10:33 PM
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'236671\' date=\'Mar 2 2010, 12:42 PM\']To be fair, the cues were not identical.

The 3-prize introduction for Line 'Em Up (Act 5) was S-32.

The cue used in Squeeze Play (Act 6) was M-32.

Same melody, different instrumentation.  I would agree that generally this doesn't (and shouldn't) happen.[/quote]
Who's in charge of keeping track of cue numbers now and where can I find the most recent list?
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on March 04, 2010, 06:36:35 PM
[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'236810\' date=\'Mar 3 2010, 11:32 PM\'][Longing for the era when musical cues had actual Names and not Sci-Fi droid numbers] :)[/quote]
Actually, they've always had numbers.  Names like "Bean Stalker" and "Big Banana" aren't used by the show; in fact, I'm sure John could tell us what is used for those cues.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: ClockGameJohn on March 05, 2010, 12:57:51 AM
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'236893\' date=\'Mar 4 2010, 06:36 PM\']"Bean Stalker"[/quote]

0183-CAR

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'236893\' date=\'Mar 4 2010, 06:36 PM\']"Big Banana"[/quote]

0194-CAR
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: Mr. Bill on March 07, 2010, 04:00:40 AM
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'236922\' date=\'Mar 5 2010, 12:57 AM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'236893\' date=\'Mar 4 2010, 06:36 PM\']"Bean Stalker"[/quote]

0183-CAR

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'236893\' date=\'Mar 4 2010, 06:36 PM\']"Big Banana"[/quote]

0194-CAR
[/quote]
Alright, how about "Big Banana - Trombones" and "Big Banana - Rhythm Vamp" (Yes, it exists!  I found it on one of the Score Productions demo reels!)?
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: dale_grass on March 07, 2010, 10:31:44 AM
[quote name=\'Mr. Bill\' post=\'237068\' date=\'Mar 7 2010, 04:00 AM\']Alright, how about "Big Banana - Trombones" and "Big Banana - Rhythm Vamp" (Yes, it exists!  I found it on one of the Score Productions demo reels!)?[/quote]
I seriously doubt such a track exists.
Besides, why on earth would a composer release a song with some of the instruments missing?
If such a magical source of demo reels and other television production music exists, the rest of us would like to be privy to such a site.

Also, I'm sick to death of people using the word vamp when they really mean alternate mix or the like.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: Steve Gavazzi on March 07, 2010, 01:12:58 PM
[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'237071\' date=\'Mar 7 2010, 10:31 AM\']I seriously doubt such a track exists.
Besides, why on earth would a composer release a song with some of the instruments missing?
If such a magical source of demo reels and other television production music exists, the rest of us would like to be privy to such a site.[/quote]
I don't know what reel he's talking about, but I wouldn't be surprised if the cues exist -- many of TPIR's songs have a ton of different remixes.  For example, I think every cue in the '94 package has, like, 10 different versions.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: ClockGameJohn on March 07, 2010, 07:27:21 PM
I'm assuming he's referring to this demo page (http://\"http://www.tvpmm.com/documents/90.html\") which has "The Big Banana (Rhythm)" listed under Robert Israel 70's demos (#9).

Since this specific mix isn't in the audio system, it wouldn't have a number.

Steve is however right, there were many many mixes of each cue, even back in the 70s.  There are nearly 50 cuts of the Main Theme.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: Mr. Bill on March 07, 2010, 08:36:11 PM
[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'237112\' date=\'Mar 7 2010, 07:27 PM\']I'm assuming he's referring to this demo page (http://\"http://www.tvpmm.com/documents/90.html\") which has "The Big Banana (Rhythm)" listed under Robert Israel 70's demos (#9).

Since this specific mix isn't in the audio system, it wouldn't have a number.

Steve is however right, there were many many mixes of each cue, even back in the 70s.  There are nearly 50 cuts of the Main Theme.[/quote]
Thanks, John, I forgot to include the link.  Look around the site a while -- recent additions include a page for Price Is Right -- USA.  There you can find the 2007 version of the theme, some of the Killer Tracks cuts, and, so far, four of the current Michael Karp cuts.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: dale_grass on March 07, 2010, 09:27:34 PM
[quote name=\'Mr. Bill\' post=\'237114\' date=\'Mar 7 2010, 08:36 PM\']Thanks, John, I forgot to include the link.  Look around the site a while -- recent additions include a page for Price Is Right -- USA.  There you can find the 2007 version of the theme, some of the Killer Tracks cuts, and, so far, four of the current Michael Karp cuts.[/quote]
According to previous postings by reputable characters, TVPMM won't make public the original music until the show is off the air.

Here's the plan: everyone go to see Price with a well-endowed female friend.  When the camera pans the crowd, have her discretely lift her shirt.  When the episode airs, call the FCC to complain that your day care kids were watchin' that, fer cryin' out loud!  Repeat as necessary until the show is pulled for the sake of our children's innocence.  Then we shall garner great aural pleasures! Buhuwahahahaha!
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: Mr. Bill on March 08, 2010, 07:46:39 PM
[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'237119\' date=\'Mar 7 2010, 09:27 PM\'][quote name=\'Mr. Bill\' post=\'237114\' date=\'Mar 7 2010, 08:36 PM\']Thanks, John, I forgot to include the link.  Look around the site a while -- recent additions include a page for Price Is Right -- USA.  There you can find the 2007 version of the theme, some of the Killer Tracks cuts, and, so far, four of the current Michael Karp cuts.[/quote]
According to previous postings by reputable characters, TVPMM won't make public the original music until the show is off the air.
[/quote]
As I understand that, the agreement is to not make public anything Score Productions had done.  As far as I know, Michael Karp is not part of Score Productions.  Either way, his music is available on that page.  Besides, my definition of "the original music" is confined to the original 1972 package, as well as the 1974 package.

As to your "plan", I've got a better, easier idea.  Turn off your TVs, don't watch the show.  Once the ratings drop, Price will be history!
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: dale_grass on March 08, 2010, 11:57:16 PM
[quote name=\'Mr. Bill\' post=\'237176\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 08:46 PM\']As to your "plan", I've got a better, easier idea.  Turn off your TVs, don't watch the show.  Once the ratings drop, Price will be history![/quote]

But what of the housewives in Tacomah?  Surely they won't stop watching.

Besides, truth be told, I've watched maybe a dozen episodes since Drooooo took over.
Title: TPIR Skimping on Music Cues Now?
Post by: clemon79 on March 09, 2010, 01:41:04 AM
[quote name=\'Mr. Bill\' post=\'237176\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 04:46 PM\']As to your "plan", I've got a better, easier idea.  Turn off your TVs, don't watch the show.  Once the ratings drop, Price will be history![/quote]
Despite the bitching and moaning, you couldn't pry most of these folks away from TPiR with a crowbar.