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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: The Pyramids on March 06, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
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Correct me if my recollection is wrong.
In 2007 Drew Carey was named the host of 'Power of 10'. Based on that was he, despite all of the talent CBS had auditioned up to that point, offered the 'Price' job without so much as an audition?
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That seems about right. CBS liked what he did for Power of 10 and they offered him the Price job based on that.
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But Drew had never really seen the show before, and had actually turned it down. CBS, wanting a "name" celebrity (because nobody who had auditioned was a big enough star for them), offered him more money. He agreed to take the job, but only on the condition that he didn't have to do an audition.
CBS, apparently not seeing the red flags in the phrase "I'll do it without an audition", agreed.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237022\' date=\'Mar 6 2010, 06:48 PM\']He agreed to take the job, but only on the condition that he didn't have to do an audition.[/quote]
Source, please. Verifiable, accurate source.
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Source, please. Verifiable, accurate source.
You should know by now that what actually goes on in the executive suite and the information that is fed to the outside world can vary significantly. So whatever your "verifiable, accurate source" may be, you're only going to hear the version intended for public consumption. No matter how you slice it, Drew didn't audition for TPIR. Close enough for gummint work.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'237028\' date=\'Mar 6 2010, 10:06 PM\']No matter how you slice it, Drew didn't audition for TPIR. Close enough for gummint work.[/quote]I don't think he's looking for a source that he didn't audition to get the job - That we know. I, too, want to know where he got the idea that Drew would only take the job if he didn't have to audition.
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[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'237037\' date=\'Mar 6 2010, 07:42 PM\']I, too, want to know where he got the idea that Drew would only take the job if he didn't have to audition.[/quote]
I would also like some acknowledgment of understanding that there is a difference between "I'm not interested in auditioning. If you want to offer me the job, fine." and "I'll only accept the job if I don't have to audition for it." Because the Drew-haters in here tend to want to spin it towards the latter 'cuz it helps them make Drew look like a jerk.
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TVGuide.com: We keep hearing about the Price Is Right host "audition tapes"....
Carey: There is no audition tape, dude. Do you honestly think that if they're looking for somebody to take over Price Is Right, they're going to say, "Oh, we have to see what this guy looks like on camera first"? Or they're going to bring in test audiences and wheel out these games to see if they can do it? They already know if a guy can do it or not.
http://www.tvguide.com/news/drew-carey-gameshow-36604.aspx (http://\"http://www.tvguide.com/news/drew-carey-gameshow-36604.aspx\")
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237048\' date=\'Mar 6 2010, 08:15 PM\']I was just reporting what I heard -- nothing more.[/quote]
Yeah, you might think twice about that in the future.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237048\' date=\'Mar 6 2010, 11:15 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'237042\' date=\'Mar 6 2010, 11:05 PM\']I would also like some acknowledgment of understanding that there is a difference between "I'm not interested in auditioning. If you want to offer me the job, fine." and "I'll only accept the job if I don't have to audition for it." Because the Drew-haters in here tend to want to spin it towards the latter 'cuz it helps them make Drew look like a jerk.[/quote]
I was just reporting what I heard -- nothing more.[/quote]
Did you hear this while bowling?
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[quote name=\'MikeK\' post=\'237053\' date=\'Mar 6 2010, 08:27 PM\']Did you hear this while bowling?[/quote]Dammit, Klauss, stop reading my thoughts, would you? :)
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237022\' date=\'Mar 6 2010, 08:48 PM\']CBS, apparently not seeing the red flags in the phrase "I'll do it without an audition", agreed.[/quote]
Yes, because we all know how horrible Drew is for the show. It is really tough to see a host having a little fun on the show. In addition, it's been aweful to have him give some input on changes, and to have the show get a new breath of life.
I guess I don't quite see it. I mean, I enjoyed Barker's run, it was what it was, and it is now over. The show has moved forward and I enjoy how Carey hosts the show.
-Ryan
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[quote name=\'RyanCDN\' post=\'237154\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 10:40 AM\']I guess I don't quite see it.[/quote]
Then you're not understanding the "OMG BARKER IS THE DADDY I NEVER HAD AND I AM SO SAD HE LEFT BECAUSE I CAN'T HANDLE CHANGE" mindset.
This is a *really* good thing.
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CBS, apparently not seeing the red flags in the phrase "I'll do it without an audition", agreed.
Yes, because we all know how horrible Drew is for the show. It is really tough to see a host having a little fun on the show. In addition, it's been aweful to have him give some input on changes, and to have the show get a new breath of life.
Drew wrote some of the worst Showcases ever (although I will give him credit for admitting they didn't work) and managed to get Barker's Markers/Make Your Mark retired because he screwed up the rules mid-game and the staff didn't actually want to tell him he made a mistake.
I guess I don't quite see it. I mean, I enjoyed Barker's run, it was what it was, and it is now over. The show has moved forward and I enjoy how Carey hosts the show.
That's good to hear.
Then you're not understanding the "OMG BARKER IS THE DADDY I NEVER HAD AND I AM SO SAD HE LEFT BECAUSE I CAN'T HANDLE CHANGE" mindset.
AKA "the people that really think he retired on his own terms and refuse to believe that he was fired for getting Lawsuit #Umpteen on him". Not all of them are like that, and I know for certain that I'm not part of the "I <3 BOB!" group.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237156\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 03:05 PM\']and managed to get
Barker's Markers/Make Your Mark retired because he screwed up the rules mid-game and the staff didn't actually want to tell him he made a mistake.[/quote]I believe Barker did the same thing with Super Saver. So Barker can screw up, but Drew can't? Doesn't work that way.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237156\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 12:05 PM\']1) You know what I meant, and you're not that stupid.[/quote]
Actually, no, you never did tell us what you meant there, and you're not in a position to be throwing the word "stupid" about.
AKA "the people that really think he retired on his own terms and refuse to believe that he was in fact fired for getting Lawsuit #Umpteen on him".
Actually, no, I didn't say that, because I can't prove that conclusively, and I will thank you not to put those (or any other) words in my mouth.
Using the words "in fact", unless you can prove conclusively that it is fact (and in this case, you can't), is not helping your case here.
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Carey: Do you honestly think that if they're looking for somebody to take over Price Is Right, they're going to say, "Oh, we have to see what this guy looks like on camera first"? Or they're going to bring in test audiences and wheel out these games to see if they can do it?
Um, well, yeah, Drew. They did it with a dozen other hopefuls but you were spared. You're special. The truth is, Drew, I suspect you've never had to audition for a part because your talent is so limited IMO you can only play one character: yourself. As far as I'm concerned you're not a journeyman actor so I can understand why the audition process would be alien to you. And I suspect you were so far removed from the production of your own sitcom that if any character players did audition, you were so busy memorizing your lines (just like you've memorized the language for the pricing games you fumble through) that the audition process would be alien to you.
The ignorance of the above quote speaks volumes about the guy now doing TPIR.
All of the above is just my personal opinion.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'237162\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 04:08 PM\']
Carey: Do you honestly think that if they're looking for somebody to take over Price Is Right, they're going to say, "Oh, we have to see what this guy looks like on camera first"? Or they're going to bring in test audiences and wheel out these games to see if they can do it?
Um, well, yeah, Drew. They did it with a dozen other hopefuls but you were spared. You're special. The truth is, Drew, I suspect you've never had to audition for a part because your talent is so limited IMO you can only play one character: yourself. As far as I'm concerned you're not a journeyman actor so I can understand why the audition process would be alien to you. And I suspect you were so far removed from the production of your own sitcom that if any character players did audition, you were so busy memorizing your lines (just like you've memorized the language for the pricing games you fumble through) that the audition process would be alien to you.
The ignorance of the above quote speaks volumes about the guy now doing TPIR.
All of the above is just my personal opinion.
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I really don't blame him. I blame management for hiring him.
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I really don't blame him. I blame management for hiring him.
Yeah, but his attitude. "Pffft, who needs to audition for a silly little game show? I'm so good I can go in there and ace it."
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I have no doubt that Drew has talents that can be utilized more effectively in the right places. Price isn't the right vehicle for him. What is the right vehicle? I don't know.
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' post=\'237166\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 04:15 PM\']I have no doubt that Drew has talents that can be utilized more effectively in the right places. Price isn't the right vehicle for him. What is the right vehicle? I don't know.[/quote]
I wonder if he could do a sitcom. . .
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I wonder what a poll of this userbase would reveal re: Drew. There are maybe a couple dozen people who weigh in on his emcee skills in posts (myself included), but in a "click yes or no" situation, I can't really make an educated guess as to whether people think he's doing a good job or not.
-Jason
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I believe Barker did the same thing with Super Saver. So Barker can screw up, but Drew can't? Doesn't work that way.
Completely different:
* $uper $aver: Bob forgets to say that upon picking the overcharged product that it is still mathematically possible to win. Contestant loses and states that Bob's forgetting the rule caused her loss; game is retired due to S&P concerns.
* Make Your Mark: Drew says that the $500 will be kept by the contestant regardless of the outcome if the third mark is not switched. Staff decides that it will be the game's new rules in lieu of correcting the host; game is immediately retired following the episode's taping.
Actually, no, you never did tell us what you meant there, and you're not in a position to be throwing the word "stupid" about.
The fact that Drew had never really done a game show before 2007, plus the fact that he refused to audition and the fact that CBS was so insistent on getting somebody who the public would recognize, should have raised a red flag with somebody.
And I apologize for throwing the word "stupid" about.
Actually, no, I didn't say that, because I can't prove that conclusively, and I will thank you not to put those (or any other) words in my mouth.
... I didn't put those words in your mouth -- I was describing certain of the "I <3 BOB" group you were referring to.
Using the words "in fact", unless you can prove conclusively that it is fact (and in this case, you can't), is not helping your case here.
No, I can't prove conclusively that Barker was fired, because nobody in their right mind at Fremantle/CBS/the show would ever say such things. Deborah Curling claimed a lot of nasty things in her 2007 lawsuit (viewable through this TMZ page (http://www.tmz.com/2007/10/04/price-is-wrong-says-one-former-employee/)). I'm not stating that they're true, false, or a mixture -- the only facts I state are that she's no longer working at the show, and that her claims were dismissed by a judge.
* Curling claimed that both CBS and Fremantle had been fully-aware of Barker's behavior and had paid the court costs ("Preliminary Allegations", Point 15) because Barker was a substantial source of income ("Preliminary Allegations", Point 45).
* Curling claimed that she, among other female employees, were exposed to sexual harassment by Barker and others, with Barker firing anybody who complained about the working conditions or contradicted him ("Preliminary Allegations", Point 58) -- the "N-word" was supposedly used liberally and without recourse ("Preliminary Allegations", Point 59).
* Curling claimed that she went through the proper channels to file a complaint to CBS regarding the situation at the show, but the harassment only intensified -- including physical threats by people such as Roger Dobkowitz ("Preliminary Allegations", Point 43-D and E). She then claimed that the network, fearing that she would sue them and/or Barker, presented her with a contract extension containing a hush clause ("Preliminary Allegations", Point 44); she refused to sign it, and left the show in October 2006.
Holly Hallstrom claimed in this article (http://tv.popcrunch.com/bob-barker-forced-to-retire-following-threat-of-racially-charged-multi-million-dollar-lawsuit/) that, around this point, she had heard that Bob was told that he would be "taking early retirement".
Are Curling's claims true? And if so, is their proximity to Barker's announcement a mere coincidence or the reason he "hung it up"? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't -- I don't really know.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237169\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 03:16 PM\']The fact that Drew had never really done a game show before 2007, plus the fact that he refused to audition and the fact that CBS was so insistent on getting somebody who the public would recognize, should have raised a red flag with SOMEBODY.[/quote]
And do you recognize the difference between "no, I won't audition" and "I'll take the job ONLY IF I don't have to audition"?
... I didn't put those words in your mouth
Yes, you did. Refrain from doing so again.
Coincidence? I think not.
In other words, no, you can't prove it.
I have a pretty good idea what to expect from you going forward.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237169\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 06:16 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'237157\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 03:06 PM\']I believe Barker did the same thing with Super Saver. So Barker can screw up, but Drew can't? Doesn't work that way.[/quote]
Completely different:
* $uper $aver: Bob forgets to say that upon picking the overcharged product that it is still mathematically possible to win. Contestant loses and states that Bob's forgetting the rule caused her loss; game is retired due to S&P concerns.[/quote]Golden Road states otherwise (http://\"http://www.golden-road.net/faq/index.php/Pricing_Game_Notes#.24uper_.24aver\"). Try again.
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And do you recognize the difference between "no, I won't audition" and "I'll take the job ONLY IF I don't have to audition"?
* "No, I won't audition": Candidate refuses to audition for one reason or another -- either he was recommended for a show he has not seen/does not like/knows is tanking, or has already been proven at tackling a variety of shows very well (and may possibly deem an audition "below him"). Decent chance of getting the job if the latter is the case, but far less likely in the former.
* "I'll take the job ONLY IF I don't have to audition": Candidate will accept the job offered outright to him, regardless of whether he is capable for the role or not, as long as he does not need to prove his worth; may overlap with the "audition is below him" and/or "show he has not seen" above, since (IIRC) Drew stated that he never really watched the show. Good chance of getting the job if the employer is desperate, but far less likely otherwise.
I think I understand it -- not certain, but I think that's it.
... I didn't put those words in your mouth
Yes, you did. Refrain from doing so again.
Understood.
* $uper $aver: Bob forgets to say that upon picking the overcharged product that it is still mathematically possible to win. Contestant loses and states that Bob's forgetting the rule caused her loss; game is retired due to S&P concerns.
Golden Road states otherwise (http://www.golden-road.net/faq/index.php/Pricing_Game_Notes#.24uper_.24aver). Try again.
"... [Bob] forgot to say that the game could still be won if the marked-up product was picked – an omission that the contestant later claimed caused her to lose after she picked it. The staff, after consultation with [S&P], decided to award her the prize, and Bob decided that if it was that easy for a costly mistake to occur they were better off just getting rid of the game."
Ah. Apologies for my mistake.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237174\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 04:37 PM\']I am not presenting Curling's allegations as fact[/quote]
Finally.
, but,
*sigh* Yep. Right on target.
I don't claim to be a genius, or a know-it-all jerk, but I don't appreciate this attitude.
I frankly don't care if you do or not.
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I was not, deliberately or otherwise, trying to mislead anybody, sir. I did not say that the sources were credible -- I put that certain people "claimed" particular things, and cited where that claim could be found in the document I linked to.
If you so wish, I will be happy to delete any of my posts that you consider a breach of this rule. Please let me know.
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Deborah Curling stood to collect no damages had she not painted herself a victim, in my opinion. The claims in her lawsuit are allegations, not sworn testimony.
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Deborah Curling stood to collect no damages had she not painted herself a victim, in my opinion. The claims in her lawsuit are allegations, not sworn testimony.
I agree, 100%. As I said, the only claims that I presented as fact were those which have been proven in the past to be true.
One of those facts is that CBS and Fremantle more or less turned a blind eye to all the lawsuits that Bob got. That part, at least, is true -- and, quite possibly, it was because Bob brought in a hefty sum of money to both companies.
I'm no expert in television contracts, but why didn't anybody stop and ask themselves "Although Bob's getting us tons of money, is it really worth holding on to a guy who's getting slapped with lawsuits left, right, and center?"
The fact that both CBS and Goodson/All-American/Pearson/Fremantle did turn a blind eye to it for years -- despite all the allegations -- speaks volumes. Then there's the fact that most of the cases against Bob had a hush clause enacted at some point, which leads to another fact -- a document with a hush clause is blatantly illegal as it suppresses the right to free speech (which Curling claimed she told CBS).
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237179\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 04:55 PM\']If you so wish, I will be happy to delete any of my posts that you consider a breach of this rule. Please let me know.[/quote]
Jesus, would you have any *left*?
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'237168\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 02:43 PM\']I wonder what a poll of this userbase would reveal re: Drew. There are maybe a couple dozen people who weigh in on his emcee skills in posts (myself included), but in a "click yes or no" situation, I can't really make an educated guess as to whether people think he's doing a good job or not.[/quote]I can't even say one way or the other. For Drew, there is no middle ground. He is either completely on the ball or totally lame. I still remember the Porsche showcase, and he spent far too much time commiserating with the over-bidder, when I'm saying "Dumbass, you have a winner! Go celebrate with him!" And things like thumbing his nose at the rules and so forth.
He's had enough bright spots that I haven't turned my back on him entirely, but he shouldn't be making the fumbles and errors that he is.
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'237168\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 02:43 PM\']I wonder what a poll of this userbase would reveal re: Drew. There are maybe a couple dozen people who weigh in on his emcee skills in posts (myself included), but in a "click yes or no" situation, I can't really make an educated guess as to whether people think he's doing a good job or not.[/quote]
Do you want us to start a poll? Tell me what you want to put into it and we'll do it.
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Maybe my 2 cents will help, since I'm not nearly as invested in this as some of you are.
Background: I grew up with Barker on TorC and found him pretty smarmy, so I was already tired of him when he took over TPIR.
That said, I enjoyed his version of the show up until the last five to ten yeats, when I thought he ceased to be entertaining at all.
To me, Drew was a breath of fresh air. These arguments about whether Drew messed up a single game, and counterarguments about whether Bob also did, seem to me to miss the point entirely.
I don't think the average viewer gives a damn about any of those things.
It looks like the average viewer found the show entertaining with Bob, and still does with Drew. What is the basis for considering Drew to be some kind of disaster?
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What is the basis for considering Drew to be some kind of disaster?
Here are some of the OPINIONS I've picked up from Internet discussions:
- After 2 1/2 years he still appears to be fumbling around as he continues to learn his job.
- He doesn't seem to know the games very well and as a result can't explain them clearly.
- His skills as a showman are lacking.
- He doesn't know how to create or build suspense.
- He insults the products of prize suppliers. Some have said this is driving away prize suppliers.
- His interactions with contestants are repetitious.
- He doesn't know how to "sell" games and prizes to the audience.
- He is grossly overpaid for the performance he is delivering.
Again, these are merely OPINIONS gleaned from various Internet discussions.
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I heard he smells funny too.
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I've only seen a handful of episodes, but by March 1975 (the 2.5 year mark for TPiR), Barker seemed to have a pretty solid reign with the show. Dunno about Dennis. I think the one difference is that Bob and Dennis both had training as game show hosts/broadcasters.
Drew is a comedian, plain and simple. Not a game show host. Not a broadcaster. Even with Barker's 35 years on TPiR, in a way, that kinda makes it an apples-and-oranges debate comparing Drew to Bob. Does it excuse the fumbling, no...but it seems like the show is accepting the comedy background, and doesn't want to force him to become more polished a la Howie Mandel.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'237227\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 04:36 PM\']and doesn't want to force him to become more polished a la Howie Mandel.[/quote]
"Let's find out if you won the car. . .when we come back."
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Here are some of the OPINIONS I've picked up from Internet discussions:
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- [Drew] doesn't seem to know the games very well and as a result can't explain them clearly.
Example: In Switcheroo, Drew doesn't mention that a contestant can quit after the first turn with the prizes already won; this may lead the contestant to think that they have to switch something and, should they lose the car because of it (they had it right the first time), have a case for Standards & Practices.
Not being able to explain the rules clearly is also what caused Make Your Mark's retirement.
- He insults the products of prize suppliers. Some have said this is driving away prize suppliers.
Drew did make jokes regarding prizes during his first season, and that incident with Hi-Lo this season where he destroyed the products (and spilled some yogurt on the game's base) has thankfully not been repeated. I wouldn't be surprised if suppliers were driven away after those kinds of antics.
- He doesn't know how to "sell" games and prizes to the audience.
Part of this may be because of the strange and overly-expensive prizes they've been offering, which most people don't have a use for (a home photo booth? Really?).
it seems like the show is accepting [Drew's] comedy background, and doesn't want to force him to become more polished a la Howie Mandel.
Which isn't a good idea -- Mandel was very "shaky", as it were, during the first part of Season 1. Remember when people cried foul at Mandel's lack of experience? He got much better over the run, and now has five seasons of experience under his belt.
Drew's in his third year, and again some cried foul when he was picked to host. Has he himself improved, being a third-year emcee with 500+ shows recorded? More importantly, have backstage factors (most notably the leaving of Roger Dobkowitz) caused his hosting skills to be less than optimal for the aforementioned tenure?
Both hosts have a comedy background, with multiple long-running TV shows, but only Deal or No Deal seems to work with some comedy added.
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- He doesn't know how to "sell" games and prizes to the audience.
Part of this may be because of the strange and overly-expensive prizes they've been offering, which most people don't have a use for (a home photo booth? Really?)
This is part of a game show emcee's job: keep your negative opinions about the games and prizes backstage. When you walk on stage you leave all that stuff behind and don't let the audience see it. How much tacky crap did Monty Hall give away over the years on LMAD? Excluding zonks did you ever hear him knock the prizes? Same with Barker. Both Monty and Barker were professional broadcasters who had been trained over the years not to knock the products that pay your salary. Henry Morgan comes to mind as someone who made a lot of trouble for himself by dinging his sponsor's products on the air.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'237234\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 07:00 PM\']Same with Barker. Both Monty and Barker were professional broadcasters who had been trained over the years not to knock the products that pay your salary. Henry Morgan comes to mind as someone who made a lot of trouble for himself by dinging his sponsor's products on the air.[/quote]Seems to me a lot of these products come unsponsored. So, what's the problem?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'237235\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 04:10 PM\'][quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'237234\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 07:00 PM\']Same with Barker. Both Monty and Barker were professional broadcasters who had been trained over the years not to knock the products that pay your salary. Henry Morgan comes to mind as someone who made a lot of trouble for himself by dinging his sponsor's products on the air.[/quote]Seems to me a lot of these products come unsponsored. So, what's the problem?[/quote]
Why should an emcee come on and tell a contestant "you've just won a piece of s**t" when it's supposed to be a legitimate prize? Besides making the show look bad, what good comes of it? Does it entertain the audience? If you don't like a prize, bicker with the producer about it during commercial.
Some believe one reason TPIR has trouble getting fee items is the emcee's remarks.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'237239\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 07:39 PM\']Some believe one reason TPIR has trouble getting fee items is the emcee's remarks.[/quote]The show had a good number of unsponsored prizes the last five years of Barker's tenure, maybe more.
I think it has more to do with the demographics the show is trying to reach. I also believe this has to do with your dislike of Drew himself.
[quote name=\'Dan88\']but only Deal or No Deal seems to work with some comedy added.[/quote]
I disagree (http://\"http://pylps.elitepalaces.com/tpirserious.JPG\").
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[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'237248\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 08:58 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\']but only Deal or No Deal seems to work with some comedy added.[/quote]
I disagree (http://\"http://pylps.elitepalaces.com/tpirserious.JPG\").
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The subliminal Cover Up scalawag has struck (http://\"http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q438/dale_grass/coverup.jpg\") again, though the hidden message this time is far more disturbing.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'237225\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 01:30 PM\']- He doesn't seem to know the games very well and as a result can't explain them clearly.
- He is grossly overpaid for the performance he is delivering.[/quote]I don't give a damn what somebody earns, because everyone is paid what someone thinks that they are worth. But if you have "keep it or spin again" or the Switcheroo thing, and the one-bid rules that the lawyers make him say...it isn't working.
[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'237227\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 02:36 PM\']Drew is a comedian, plain and simple.[/quote]And part of what I like about him is his everyman appeal. When did you see Bob dance with the contestant as the Cliff Hangers music played and Hans was plotting a career change? Or Bob celebrating with the contestant after a big win? (usually, he was the one running away...) His contestant interactions are not the problem, it is that he seems to be treating the job like it doesn't matter, because what can they do? Fire him? Deprive him of another umpteen million dollars so he can buy another soccer team? TPIR may not be Sarious Business, but the job should not be taken as a joke.
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'237235\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 04:10 PM\']So, what's the problem?[/quote]If companies notice his propensity to knock the products, they will be less likely to provide anything. They'll say "fine, spend your own money to buy the PEZ heads or Geritol Horse Pill Tabs, we won't have any part of it."
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[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'237258\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 10:13 PM\'][quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'237248\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 08:58 PM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\']but only Deal or No Deal seems to work with some comedy added.[/quote]
I disagree (http://\"http://pylps.elitepalaces.com/tpirserious.JPG\").
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The subliminal Cover Up scalawag has struck (http://\"http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q438/dale_grass/coverup.jpg\") again, though the hidden message this time is far more disturbing.
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I like it, but the scalawag coulda used the correct font. :)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'237217\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 02:32 PM\']Tell me what you want to put into it and we'll do it.[/quote]
I think the question "are you satisfied with Drew Carey's performance on The Price is Right?" would cover it succinctly. Maybe while we're at it, ask "are you satisfied with the production on TPIR (i.e. everything aside from Drew)?" But I appreciate either or both being put to the masses here.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'237259\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 10:21 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'237227\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 02:36 PM\']Drew is a comedian, plain and simple.[/quote]And part of what I like about him is his everyman appeal. When did you see Bob dance with the contestant as the Cliff Hangers music played and Hans was plotting a career change? Or Bob celebrating with the contestant after a big win? (usually, he was the one running away...) His contestant interactions are not the problem, it is that he seems to be treating the job like it doesn't matter, because what can they do? Fire him? Deprive him of another umpteen million dollars so he can buy another soccer team? TPIR may not be Sarious Business, but the job should not be taken as a joke.
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That is what I think is one of the best parts of Drew hosting (part about the everyman appeal). I normally watch the show every morning before I leave for class so I'm going to try to post as an average watcher rather than as a huge fan and say what I think of him and the show.
Drew-He was not the best host in his first year, but he has made great progress. I do not nit pick every little thing he does, but simply look at the big picture. I do think there are days where he's off, but Bob had good and bad days also. However, I do think he hosts with the attitude of, "I'm going to host how I want and if you don't like it, too bad" which could be a turn off some days. One person mentioned how there was a winner next to the guy who overbid the Porsche and Drew shouldn't have focused all of his attention to him. Yes, the guy did win and should have been celebrated for his win, but how could you not feel sorry for the guy and not want to console him? Even the guy that won wanted to give him a hug and you could hear how upset the crowd was after reading the price. I think that is one good quality is he goes with the flow sometimes rather than try all the time to be a regulator or play which is good to have a balance.
The prizes- Ok, I get that making fun of the prizes does not make it attractive for suppliers to give their products to the show, but if that's a problem, make the prizes more attractive and less likely to be made fun of. I mean come on, WTF am I going to do with a cotton candy machine or a teapot shaped clock? Don't tell me you haven't seen an episode where they introduce a cheap or useless prize (like designer women's clothes/accessories) to a (male) contestant and you can see the look in the contestant's face of "I don't want this, but I'll try to clap anyway." Make it something a contestant would dream of or need and it'll be a great prize. You can't go wrong with cars and cash and don't give me the "the variety has to be constantly mixed up" because I still haven't grown tired of playing the lottery and I'll always enter a contest for a car.
Ratings- Whoever their marketing dept is needs to be fired and replaced. Usually when I talk to my peers about the show, I normally get a "that show is still on?" response. I think part of the ratings issue is that not many people know the show is still on the air and could use some publicity like a Million Dollar Spectacular to generate buzz. I think some of the problem is that more people aren't watching as much daytime TV like they used to. I do think there are a lot of people that dropped off simply because it doesn't have Bob anymore, but there's nothing that can be done about it.
Overall, speaking as an average viewer, I think the show and host are fine. There should be some adjustments, but the overall machine isn't broken. I think the biggest thing that could help the show are bringing buzz back by bringing back some MDS to primetime to make people aware of the show.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'237260\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 12:23 AM\']I like it, but the scalawag coulda used the correct font. :)[/quote]
Mea culpa. 400+ fonts on my system and I couldn't find a match (it looks like the offspring of Futura and Univers), so I used Univers. I should have known better than to try to slip one by the [color=\"#000080\"]Forum[/color]. ;)
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[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'237270\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 05:58 AM\'][quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'237260\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 12:23 AM\']I like it, but the scalawag coulda used the correct font. :)[/quote]
Mea culpa. 400+ fonts on my system and I couldn't find a match (it looks like the offspring of Futura and Univers), so I used Univers. I should have known better than to try to slip one by the [color=\"#000080\"]Forum[/color]. ;)
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It's actually ITC Avant Garde Gothic Bold (http://\"http://www.fonts.com/FindFonts/Detail.htm?pid=202218&/cgi-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0&page_id=42138&query=AVANT%20GARDE&SCOPE=Fonts\").
Not to be confused with Woolery's rock group. :)
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[quote name=\'ten96lt\' post=\'237268\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 04:37 AM\']You can't go wrong with cars and cash and don't give me the "the variety has to be constantly mixed up" because I still haven't grown tired of playing the lottery and I'll always enter a contest for a car.[/quote]
The current crew would likely not want that for fear of people getting to know the prices again. Beyond that, I don't think the audience would have patience for the repetition. Sure contestants seem to like cash and cars the most, but if those two things were on all the time, then the impact of them would be gone. If coming on stage meant guaranteed cash or a new car, the contestant would be happy...but at home I'm actually changing the channel.
Each show being so different is probably the main reason Price has stuck around so long. Doing anything to make it more routine is not good. In the half hour days, the prizes tended to be more "practical." As soon as they doubled the slots prizes had to fill, the baker's racks and popcorn carts of the world had to come in.
Drew was touting "prize meetings" on his blog and all the wacky new ideas to eschew what he thought were less-than-desirable prizes (grandfather clocks being his #1 crusade, it seems). But it gave us a $10,000+ treehouse, a $6,000 toilet, and wall-to-wall flat screen TVs. Everybody's idea of what's cool to give away is going to be different. Why deny the people who actually could use a new room of furniture by making all the prizes the same?
-Jason
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But it gave us [...] a $6,000 toilet
I hope it was this one (http://\"http://www.hulu.com/watch/61322/saturday-night-live-the-love-toilet\")
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[quote name=\'ten96lt\' post=\'237268\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 12:37 AM\']and don't give me the "the variety has to be constantly mixed up" because I still haven't grown tired of playing the lottery and I'll always enter a contest for a car.[/quote]
1) Cash costs money. (Granted, apparently, so do prizes these days. But cash ALWAYS costs money.)
2) You're not playing the lottery for the prize. You're playing the lottery because you are addicted, either to the rush of gambling adrenaline you get when you check your ticket against the drawn numbers, or to the "OMG what if I WON?!" daydreams.
3) There are prizes on the show I would have been quite content with winning that haven't been cash or cars.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237169\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 06:16 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'237159\' date=\'Mar 8 2010, 03:19 PM\']Actually, no, you never did tell us what you meant there, and you're not in a position to be throwing the word "stupid" about.[/quote]
The fact that Drew had never really done a game show before 2007, plus the fact that he refused to audition and the fact that CBS was so insistent on getting somebody who the public would recognize, should have raised a red flag with SOMEBODY.
And I apologize for throwing the word "stupid" about.
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A nice correction, because I honestly didn't know what you were getting at and I like to say I am ignorant to the issue rather than stupid.
If it truly is a problem, then it is CBS's problem, if they were that insistent on getting someone that would be easy to recognize. I think there were probably a few other choices that would fit the bill as well.
I think my main point was Drew just isn't that bad a guy for teh job, certainly not as much as he has been hammered for. There is certainly going to be some time to have him work through things smoothly. I mean, you took a guy that hosted the show for over 30 years and replaced him with a newbie so to speak.
For me, I just don't mind Drew at all. I enjoy the excitement he brings to the show, and the new direction the show has gone. Sure, some prizes are a little far fetched - but so be it - it is no worse than the Artwork that may be offered that I think is horribly ugly - or the evening gown that would be fairly useless to me.
People do not need to agree with me on Drew - I just wish the masses that don't like him would have given him a fair shake before jumping all over him.
-Ryan
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'237225\' date=\'Mar 9 2010, 04:30 PM\']- He is grossly overpaid for the performance he is delivering.
Again, these are merely OPINIONS gleaned from various Internet discussions.[/quote]
Heh, imagine that, someone in Hollywood being grossly overpaid.
-Ryan
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[quote name=\'RyanCDN\' post=\'237289\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 10:53 AM\']I mean, you took a guy that hosted the show for over 30 years and replaced him with a newbie so to speak.[/quote]
Well, but that *is* a problem that all parties involved should not be let off the hook for. It's not like there weren't any qualified candidates with tons of hosting experience out there.
or the evening gown that would be fairly useless to me.
I disagree. I think you'd look fabulous in it. :)
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[quote name=\'RyanCDN\' post=\'237289\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 01:53 PM\']I mean, you took a guy that hosted the show for over 30 years and replaced him with a newbie so to speak.[/quote]
Ralph Edwards hosted Truth or Consequences on radio/television for 17 years or so and was replaced with a newbie, Bob Barker. Obviously humor styles and entertainment in general today is not comparable to 1956, but I'd be curious to find out how devout fans of Truth or Consequences felt in the first two and a half years after Barker took over.
With this argument I'm not discounting my own personal opinion of Drew's performance which I really can only say is "inconsistent." Sometimes he's good, sometimes he's bad.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' post=\'237275\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 10:13 AM\']It's actually ITC Avant Garde Gothic Bold (http://\"http://www.fonts.com/FindFonts/Detail.htm?pid=202218&/cgi-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0&page_id=42138&query=AVANT%20GARDE&SCOPE=Fonts\").[/quote]
Yesterday, if someone on the street asked me if I had the Avant Garde family, I would have said "probably." Thanks for the heads up!
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'237293\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 02:03 PM\'][quote name=\'RyanCDN\' post=\'237289\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 10:53 AM\']I mean, you took a guy that hosted the show for over 30 years and replaced him with a newbie so to speak.[/quote]
Well, but that *is* a problem that all parties involved should not be let off the hook for. It's not like there weren't any qualified candidates with tons of hosting experience out there.
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I don't argue this point at all. Indeed, there were some other highly qualified individuals.
I guess not minding Drew as host, it seems to be a minority thing, or at least it can feel that way amoungst our community, or the gs fan community in general.
-Ryan
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It's not like there weren't any qualified candidates with tons of hosting experience out there.
I don't argue this point at all. Indeed, there were some other highly qualified individuals.
Among those who tried out were Doug Davidson (New Price '94), Mario Lopez (Masters of the Maze), Todd Newton (Whammy!), Marco Antonio Regil (Atinale al Precio aka Price en Español), Marc Summers (Double Dare), and Mark L. Walberg (Russian Roulette).
Hosting "Live!", you had Michael Burger (Match Game), Bob Goen (Wheel of Fortune), George Hamilton (The Family). Chris Harrison (Mall Masters), Roger Lodge (ESPN Trivial Pursuit), J.D. Roberto (Shop 'Til You Drop), David Ruprecht (Supermarket Sweep), Alan Thicke (Animal Crack-Ups), and Chuck Woolery (Wheel of Fortune).
Those who didn't really have any GS experience, but either tried out for CBS and/or hosted "Live!", include Dave Price (The Early Show), Mark Steines (Entertainment Tonight: Weekend/AOL Goldrush), and Jeff Trachta (The Bold & The Beautiful).
Sources: Wikipedia ("Price is Right Live"), Golden-Road.net (FAQ: "Price is Right Live")
(EDIT 3/30/10: Mark Kriski, a Los Angeles news personality who hosted the second pilot of New Price '94 {Davidson hosted the first}, also auditioned in 2007.)
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[quote name=\'jmangin\' post=\'237295\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 02:56 PM\'][quote name=\'RyanCDN\' post=\'237289\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 01:53 PM\']I mean, you took a guy that hosted the show for over 30 years and replaced him with a newbie so to speak.[/quote]
Ralph Edwards hosted Truth or Consequences on radio/television for 17 years or so and was replaced with a newbie, Bob Barker. Obviously humor styles and entertainment in general today is not comparable to 1956, but I'd be curious to find out how devout fans of Truth or Consequences felt in the first two and a half years after Barker took over.
With this argument I'm not discounting my own personal opinion of Drew's performance which I really can only say is "inconsistent." Sometimes he's good, sometimes he's bad.
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A few problems with the premise:
- Bob didn't replace Ralph directly, Jack Bailey came in between.
- The show was off TV for sometime, at the time, the show was only on radio.
- When it was on TV, it was a once-a-week prime-time show.
- Barker was the first daytime host.
- Ralph was still doing the radio version for a bit after Barker started.
- There was little if any fanfare when this started. The daytime show was actually a stopgap because NBC's attempt to woo Don McNeill from ABC failed.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' post=\'237283\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 12:04 PM\']Drew was touting "prize meetings" on his blog and all the wacky new ideas to eschew what he thought were less-than-desirable prizes (grandfather clocks being his #1 crusade, it seems). But it gave us a $10,000+ treehouse, a $6,000 toilet, and wall-to-wall flat screen TVs. Everybody's idea of what's cool to give away is going to be different. Why deny the people who actually could use a new room of furniture by making all the prizes the same?[/quote]
The thing is, the treehouse and the crazy toilet are surprising and interesting to the home viewer, which is what it's all about. Furniture can be interesting, too, but not if it's the same damn Broyhill dining room with four place-settings and a rug that it's been for 38 years. Bill Cullen's version asked them to bid on elephants, for heavens' sakes. If somebody can memorize the exact price of a showcase, that's not only problematic, it's a clue that perhaps some fresh air is in order. For all Drew's faults with memorization and pep, at least someone is freshening up the show.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'237303\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 02:42 PM\']it's a clue that perhaps some fresh air is in order.[/quote]
For the production, or for the folks who have the prices memorized?
/was that out loud?
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237300\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 03:30 PM\']Doug Davidson (New Price '94), Mario Lopez (Masters Of The Maze '95), Todd Newton (Whammy! aka Press Your Luck '02)[/quote]Just because they hosted a game show in the past doesn't mean they are capable of hosting Price.
The thing is, the treehouse and the crazy toilet are surprising and interesting to the home viewer, which is what it's all about. Furniture can be interesting, too, but not if it's the same damn Broyhill dining room with four place-settings and a rug that it's been for 38 years.
I think its a poor idea to features prizes such as this and the designer goods because the average American can't relate to them. When they show, say, a barbecue grill, people say "Hey, I have one just like it!" You reel out some Lorna Doone shoes and most people don't give a damn.
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Honestly, I haven't watched the show too often since Drew took over. Thing is, I didn't watch the show that often in Bob's final years either. The times I've been able to watch Drew's episodes, I enjoyed the fun, relaxed atmosphere, but was turned off by the cheering over everything (an unfortunate annoyance that seems to be on 90% of today's game shows). When I watched Bob's eps. I was turned off by the constant cheering and the fact that the show just felt stale (a problem going on since at least 2000). I will give Drew credit for making The Price is Right fun to watch again. The show has become creative again, although I'd rather never hear of a fried chicken showcase ever again. By the same token, I'm glad it's not "This showcase deals with things related to the word 'window'..."
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'237304\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 05:49 PM\'][quote name=\'Neumms\' post=\'237303\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 02:42 PM\']it's a clue that perhaps some fresh air is in order.[/quote]
For the production, or for the folks who have the prices memorized?
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Hell, why not both?
/Yes, I know it was rhetorical.
//Point still stands.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'237288\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 12:34 PM\']3) There are prizes on the show I would have been quite content with winning that haven't been cash or cars.[/quote]
Show me one of those game room showcases with a pinball machine and an air hockey table, and I suddenly don't give much of a damn as to whether the other one has a car.
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I agree with the whole "Not all about the cash and cars" sentiment. I know plenty of people who would want that Man Wall who wouldn't give a damn about sports OR television.
[quote name=\'Modor\' post=\'237305\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 05:59 PM\']You reel out some Lorna Doone shoes and most people don't give a damn.[/quote]
But I bet they taste great.
/Obscure?
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'237307\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 03:31 PM\']Show me one of those game room showcases with a pinball machine and an air hockey table[/quote]
You, sir, Get It. Next game of Medieval Madness is on me.
[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'237308\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 03:39 PM\']/Obscure?[/quote]
Well played, and delicious.
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Doug Davidson [...] Mario Lopez [...] Todd Newton
Just because they hosted a game show in the past doesn't mean they are capable of hosting Price.
All of those who I mentioned as having tried out for the show also host(ed) the "Live!" shows, which gives all of them credit. If they weren't capable of hosting Price, and otherwise having a good time with it, why would they be doing it at all? (This doesn't apply to Daniel Rosen.)
And I liked the (possible) subtext of your comment:
Just because Doug Davidson hosted The Price Is Right in the past does not mean he is capable of hosting The Price Is Right.
Ouch.
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Drew just isn't that bad a guy for teh job
Don't you think TPIR deserves better than "isn't that bad"? TPTW* liked Mark L. Walberg. I think Todd Newton would be malleable -- he has the games and the format down slick, he just needs to "cheer down". I had also proposed a local L.A. talent but my suggestion fell on deaf ears and he was not considered.
*The Powers That Were
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[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'237308\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 03:39 PM\']I agree with the whole "Not all about the cash and cars" sentiment. I know plenty of people who would want that Man Wall who wouldn't give a damn about sports OR television.[/quote]I agree with Messrs. Pries, Lemon and Mello, but here's the problem. All of those prizes are neat to look at, but when people aren't winning them, there's no point. When you have days that go oh-for-six whether due to moron contestants, producer trickery, or anything else, I quit caring.
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When did you see Bob dance with the contestant as the Cliff Hangers music played and Hans was plotting a career change? Or Bob celebrating with the contestant after a big win?
Bob and dozens of other emcees knew when to give the spotlight to the contestant, when to step out of the way (Richard Dawson used to literally leave the stage). Drew's buffoonery and antics tell me he doesn't know that sometimes it's best to get out of the way and let the contestant shine. Or maybe the old buzzards have been doing it all wrong for the past six+ decades.
Drew does bring a different sensibility to the show, but I maintain it doesn't make up for his limited skills as an emcee.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'237315\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 09:31 PM\']Don't you think TPIR deserves better than "isn't that bad"?[/quote]
There are very few things or people on this Earth that do not deserve better than their current state.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'237310\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 06:00 PM\']You, sir, Get It. Next game of Medieval Madness is on me.[/quote]
Pinbot circuits activate.
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[quote name=\'Sodboy13\' post=\'237324\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 09:34 PM\']Pinbot circuits activate.[/quote]Since Chris is the only member to have been to my place, this will only make sense to him, but I would love to have an Eight Ball Deluxe machine between my couch and the corner opposite the fireplace. I had the computer version for Macintosh, and spent much of the time while visiting Mom playing.
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[quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237300\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 03:30 PM\']Those who didn't really have any GS experience, but either tried out for CBS and/or hosted "Live!", include Dave Price (The Early Show), Mark Steines (Entertainment Tonight: Weekend), and Jeff Trachta (The Bold & The Beautiful).
Sources: Wikipedia ("Price is Right Live"), Golden-Road.net (FAQ: "Price is Right Live")[/quote]
This is interesting - I actually didn't think Mark Steines was a bad consideration at all. I think he fit with the youth demographic rather well. You may or may not recall, he had probably the most GS experience in this group, as he was the host of AOL's Goldrush. He certainly may have been a dark horse, but he would have been my dark horse choice.
-Ryan
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'237327\' date=\'Mar 11 2010, 12:52 AM\']I would love to have an Eight Ball Deluxe machine[/quote]
Totally off-topic, but I would love to have that pinball machine too! I played that game a lot growing up. Ahhh, memories. (I still like Capt. Fantastic a little better though)
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I, too, would totally jump at the chance to bid on a showcase if it had a pinball machine (even if it were the 1st showcase and I was potentially passing up a chance at a car). If the first person bid on that showcase, I would damn sure try that much harder to win "both" showcases for a crack at the pinball machine.
Is there a Mac version of the Eight Ball Deluxe machine (or other "real" pinball machines, for that matter)?
Chris
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[quote name=\'RyanCDN\' post=\'237348\' date=\'Mar 11 2010, 09:18 AM\'][quote name=\'Dan88\' post=\'237300\' date=\'Mar 10 2010, 03:30 PM\']Those who didn't really have any GS experience, but either tried out for CBS and/or hosted "Live!", include Dave Price (The Early Show), Mark Steines (Entertainment Tonight: Weekend), and Jeff Trachta (The Bold & The Beautiful).
Sources: Wikipedia ("Price is Right Live"), Golden-Road.net (FAQ: "Price is Right Live")[/quote]
This is interesting - I actually didn't think Mark Steines was a bad consideration at all. I think he fit with the youth demographic rather well. You may or may not recall, he had probably the most GS experience in this group, as he was the host of AOL's Goldrush. He certainly may have been a dark horse, but he would have been my dark horse choice.
-Ryan
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I was actually in the audience for his audition. If I recall correctly, he honestly wasn't half-bad.
Then again...like I said, I was in the Bob Barker Studio. *Anyone* probably would have impressed me at that point.
/Even Todd Newton.