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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Dbacksfan12 on April 21, 2011, 12:57:03 AM
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In many game shows, especially long running ones, changes have been made throughout the years. What is one[/b] thing you miss from the past?
Mine is the former intro to the bonus round on WoF...when the drumroll would sound and the lights would dim.
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In many game shows, especially long running ones, changes have been made throughout the years. What is one[/b] thing you miss from the past?
Mine is the former intro to the bonus round on WoF...when the drumroll would sound and the lights would dim.
You been digging into my mind again? ;)
One other notable thing about Wheel I miss from back in the day was Pat (and/or Bob and/or Chuck and/or... Rolf) giving the Wheel the "First spin of the day" before intro-ing the first puzzle. It felt like the appropriate way to get things going each show. I won't go into pieces of certain sets that were swapped or those kinds of things with this though, we'll be here all year.
From Feud, I would like to see them do the original $5/point sequence with the total on the top scoreboard readout again (or just flashed on the bottom of the screen alternately), instead of just having Steve or whoever semi-awkwardly saying... "oh no... nooo, sorry, but that's okay, you still got $5/point... *pause* which is $755." The old way flows better and I think just looks better for TV, overall.
/Mark owes me a 25% fee for chiming in on this initial discussion in Palace... ;)
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What is one[/b] thing you miss from the past?
One other notable thing about Wheel I miss from back in the day...
From Feud...
Those of you who had "the very first response" may collect your winnings at any open window...
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Not only did Chuck(Pat/Rolf) spun the wheel the first time of the day, he'd spew the rules of the game. It went something like this:
"Top $ value on the wheel for the first round is $750 but watch out for Bankrupt. If you land on those, you lose your cash but not your merchandise because once you buy a prize, it's yours to keep", Boy do I miss hearing that spiel.
Also, the announcer's famous ending words: "The prices of the prizes were furnished to the contestants prior to the show & have been rounded off to the nearest $. Gift certificates do not include sales tax".
As far as TPIR goes, those classic ticket plugs they use to do during commercial breaks. Sometimes, you see things that you normally wouldn't see(mainly backstage stuff). I remember one such plug where there was some display that was scrolling repeating numbers(44444, 55555,66666, etc). I think they ertr scrolling left to right.
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I miss the walls turning red for Double Jeopardy!. No deep reason for it -- I just always thought it was cool.
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The Jeopardy! grid set. Not only was it really cool looking, the way they did the "exploding globe" intro was neat.
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I miss the audience murmur then quick hush at the top of "Jeopardy!" That opening was better all around. The music (such as it was) said exciting competition, rather than the current music, "if you're under 60 you should be doing something else." The exploding globe would look dated now but was cool. Contestants walking in made a better visual than them being in place already.
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I miss the days of real game show hosts.
I’m tired of seeing comedians and has-beens put in as hosts; goes to show the producers really don’t know what makes a good game show.
Yeah, we’ve found a few good ones because of this, but several more bad ones.
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Many good choices. I think I'll go off the board and say the close-ups of a set element as the list of sponsors/contestant disclaimers flashed.
A lot of shows did that though (the wheel spinning on Wheel of Fortune, the big board border on PYL, one of the spires at the top of the Pyramid, etc). Kennedy's Split Second had a really cool effect where they'd insert the info into the game board slides.
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Two words. Ceramic Dalmatians.
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What is one[/b] thing you miss from the past?
One other notable thing about Wheel I miss from back in the day...
From Feud...
Those of you who had "the very first response" may collect your winnings at any open window...
Ya gonna castrate me over a difference of one? Go ahead, I'll wait in my chamber. That is... unless you wanna actually contribute to the topic next time.
I miss the walls turning red for Double Jeopardy!. No deep reason for it -- I just always thought it was cool.
This too especially, though I agree with most of the suggestions thus far. I even liked how the Sushi Bar set looked in red... even though it seems I've seen mostly opinions to the contrary. I actually think it'd look really good on the current set as well (though doesn't the floor lighting supposedly turn red somewhat?).
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I miss quality major network daytime game shows, period from the past. Price is Right and Let's Make a Deal are pretty much it now. WWTBAM with Meredith is on 12:30pm EST on ABC where I live, but I don't know if it's on different networks at different times. Price & LMAD seem to be network game shows, vs. syndicated.
I miss seeing a morning lineup on NBC featuring $ale of the Century, Classic Concentration, Wheel of Fortune, Scrabble, Super Password, WordPlay, and on CBS The $25,000 Pyramid, Card Sharks, The Price is Right.
That's something I miss from the past. Sadly the world has changed so much, and now, not only have major network daytime game shows become nearly extinct, but soap operas as well. After January 2012, there will be only 4 left, where once there were 10 - 12 per day. A further sign of the times.
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Good, melodic theme songs; and closing credits that wouldn't be squeezed for promos so you could actually enjoy the music!
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I miss the walls turning red for Double Jeopardy!. No deep reason for it -- I just always thought it was cool.
Count my vote for this too. Just made Round 2 feel... like a different round.
/One thing I liked about the 1995 UK Jeopardy was when they'd make the walls during FJ! purple.
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I miss the days of real game show hosts.
I’m tired of seeing comedians and has-beens put in as hosts; goes to show the producers really don’t know what makes a good game show.
Didn't stop Groucho or Dawson from becoming successful hosts; or Jan Murray for that matter. But I was thinking back to when producers believed that local radio deejays and/or TV meteorologists (read: weathermen) had the potential to become game show emcees. Now, unless you're a stand-up comic or former sitcom regular, forget it!
Cordially,
Tammy
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TV meteorologists (read: weathermen)
Actually, no, how about we make the distinction between those who have actually had the training and certification to call themselves "meteorologists" and those who haven't.
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Didn't stop Groucho or Dawson from becoming successful hosts; or Jan Murray for that matter. But I was thinking back to when producers believed that local radio deejays and/or TV meteorologists (read: weathermen) had the potential to become game show emcees. Now, unless you're a stand-up comic or former sitcom regular, forget it!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but originally, many hosts were taken from radio. Then stage acting became the pool. Then for a while, it was just members of the game show host sanctum. Now, they're grabbing comedians. Whatever seems to be the most popular entertainment pool at a given time is where they're grabbing these hosts from. So same concept the whole time, just different talent pools.
I agree with the Double Jeopardy red- I think it defined the round because the red emphasized that the game was entering crunch time.
I miss Wheel of Fortune having a theme song, and actually using that music when they cut to commercial. I really don't like the tracks they're using now.
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The turntable of prizes on Wheel of Fortune and when the contestants heads went flying around the various prize displays. Too bad the daytime didn't keep that format when it went to CBS.
The displays behind the contestants on Wheel of Fortune that displayed the total winnings. They could have them at the beginning of rounds like they do with the totals above the puzzle board for a minute.
I miss the crawl boards on price is right used for the credits ,ticket plugs ,trips , etc.
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Here's one that has been missed, and was more of the rule than the exception back in the old days:
I miss game shows in which there were celebrities -- either as part of a civilian's team or as part of the panel (Match Game, Hollywood Squares,...) -- AND the producers made sure that the celebs knew how to play the game.
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The first thing that came to my mind was, "Now entering the studio are today's contestants ..."
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"A Mark Goodson-Bill Todman Production"
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I miss the audience murmur then quick hush at the top of "Jeopardy!" That opening was better all around. The music (such as it was) said exciting competition, rather than the current music, "if you're under 60 you should be doing something else." The exploding globe would look dated now but was cool. Contestants walking in made a better visual than them being in place already.
This. I loved the opening with the introduction to the main theme and the contestants walking in. Also, by the time I was old enough to remember, they weren't using the first few bars of the opening outside of tournament finals, which always seemed to add to the drama when it was played in full.
I miss physical game boards. I can understand why Wheel dropped theirs (and the current incarnations of Feud and J! never had them at all), but you do lose a little something when your entire set consists of 40 monitors, one host lectern, a couple sliding glass doors, and a bunch of abstract shapes (as is the case with Jeopardy at the moment.)
Also, seeing set pieces rotate, fly in, etc. These days, teleportation via jump cut seems to be the norm.
Live-to-tape, at least in part. Partly because of my previous paragraph, partly for the little bit of behind-the-scenes glimpses that we could see because it wasn't worth it to stop down and reshoot. I don't think that any modern show would leave in the Super Password board's frequent malfunctions or even the "we'll check the tape and tell you if you won after the break" moments that Pyramid occasionally had after a close call in the Winner's Circle. However, I don't miss the breakneck final rounds or the looooong stretches that were occasionally necessary to bring a show in on time.
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The first thing that came to my mind was, "Now entering the studio are today's contestants ..."
If I remember correctly, they retired that tactic not too long after Eddie Timanus was on the show, didn't they?
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The first thing that came to my mind was, "Now entering the studio are today's contestants ..."
If I remember correctly, they retired that tactic not too long after Eddie Timanus was on the show, didn't they?
I was remembering the same thing. I think there was only a couple of weeks after his appearance.
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Ya gonna castrate me over a difference of one? Go ahead, I'll wait in my chamber. That is... unless you wanna actually contribute to the topic next time.
It isn't a "difference of one." Or a difference of 100%. It is that people don't seem to understand the concept of Pick One Thing.
"Name your favorite five hundred movies of all time."
That's just dumb. Picking your favorite movie might be harsh and fruitless, but at least you can do it.
I miss the walls turning red for Double Jeopardy!. No deep reason for it -- I just always thought it was cool.
The thing I like about the first spin of the day, or putting the board in motion/changing the backlight colors is that it set the tone. It told you that stuff was about to happen, and we've gone from the opening and get down to playing the game and winning stuff. I like those little transitions from the days of old.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but originally, many hosts were taken from radio. Then stage acting became the pool. Then for a while, it was just members of the game show host sanctum. Now, they're grabbing comedians. Whatever seems to be the most popular entertainment pool at a given time is where they're grabbing these hosts from. So same concept the whole time, just different talent pools.
I cannot for the life of me think of a single game show host who didn't have some other credit to his name before being a host.
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Good, melodic theme songs; and closing credits that wouldn't be squeezed for promos so you could actually enjoy the music!
You took my answer. I always enjoy it when Wheel or Jeopardy! gets done early and we get a long credits.
I cannot for the life of me think of a single game show host who didn't have some other credit to his name before being a host.
What else did David Sparks (of the New Cross-Wits) do? I'm sure he's not the British Z-list actor IMDb thinks he is.
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I cannot for the life of me think of a single game show host who didn't have some other credit to his name before being a host.
Two that I think might come close were Merv's discoveries Rolf B. and Mike Reilly. No professional broadcasting or acting, that I know of. I had never heard of Jim McKrell, JD Roth, Frank Nicotero or Rossi Moreale before their game show gigs but I probably just didn't notice them before.
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Ya gonna castrate me over a difference of one? Go ahead, I'll wait in my chamber. That is... unless you wanna actually contribute to the topic next time.
It isn't a "difference of one." Or a difference of 100%. It is that people don't seem to understand the concept of Pick One Thing.
Or at least not be quite so defensive about it when you get called on it.
Personally, I blame my failure to count to one on the fact that I was somehow so oblivious to the "one" part of the original post that I didn't even get the problem with wheelloon's post until I read this one. Mea culpa.
/Clearly, I will not be getting a case of Turtle Wax, a year's supply of Rice-A-Roni, or a lousy copy of the Pick One Thing home game.
//Maybe I'll do better next weekend on The Price is Right.
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Two that I think might come close were Merv's discoveries Rolf B.
NFL player? JD Roth
I believe he was a contestant on Star Search.
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Good, melodic theme songs; and closing credits that wouldn't be squeezed for promos so you could actually enjoy the music!
Totally agree!
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The first thing that came to my mind was, "Now entering the studio are today's contestants ..."
If I remember correctly, they retired that tactic not too long after Eddie Timanus was on the show, didn't they?
Really? I didn't think they changed it until the start of the next season, or maybe even the one after that.
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The first thing that came to my mind was, "Now entering the studio are today's contestants ..."
If I remember correctly, they retired that tactic not too long after Eddie Timanus was on the show, didn't they?
Really? I didn't think they changed it until the start of the next season, or maybe even the one after that.
The start of the 2000-01 season at the latest. Below is the '00 season premiere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujg6JYpEUcc&feature=related
Meanwhile, this clip from February '00 still has the contestants walking in...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH_i2dKWlyg
For some reason, I thought it was 1998 or '99...
Oh, and going hand-in-hand with how I miss the list of sponsors being displayed against a shot of a set element, how could I miss fee plugs, with the announcer taking 40 seconds to read about Lee Press-On-Nails, Rice-A-Roni, Hawaiian Tropic and Bedsack bedding. None of these prerecorded commercials, give me the KFC gift certificate. ;-)
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I miss complaining about network game shows being preempted on our local station. I didn't mind when soaps were preempted, but it wasn't as common as games.
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Ok I didn't like the last post I made so I'm redoing because it didn't sound that original .
For me, going with TPIR on this one it'll be "Deluxe/Special/Plus/Super" games. Games like Dice Game Deluxe, 3 Strikes+ , Deluxe Lucky seven? These games were made because of a prize that goes into the 5th digit, or a prize that is so high in value, or was played for a car in which were usually not. Nowadays you just get a revamped game that coincidentally added a number (mainly for night time) or increased it's value just for the sake of being new. nothing special nothing that really stands out as that "Special" game. I miss that.
wheeloon: Mark owes me a 25% fee for chiming in on this initial discussion in Palace... ;)
Hey whatever happened to palace? It's like one night in November or December , we were playing Jeopardy. And then all of a sudden 404.
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wheeloon: Mark owes me a 25% fee for chiming in on this initial discussion in Palace... ;)
Hey what ever happened to palace? It's like one night in November or December , we were playing Jeopardy. And then all of a sudden 404.
It moved. Check your email.
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For me, Going with TPIR on this one it'll be "Deluxe/Special/Plus/Super" games. Games like Dice Game Deluxe, 3 Strikes+ , Deluxe Lucky seven?
If we're talking purely about names, there was never any such thing as "Deluxe Lucky $even."
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Contestants actually making up their own minds in TPIR pricing games. What a novel idea.
Maybe this is all Barker's fault because I recall watching several '70s shows in which the contestants actually asked Bob if they could look to the audience for help and Bob always said, "Sure!"
By the '80s you had contestants asking the Peanut Gallery which numbers to pick in Spelling Bee and which shell to place their chip beside in Shell Game. Bob would most always sardonically ask, "Now what makes you think they know any more than you do?" and 99% of the time the contestants would just laugh off his question.
The young lady playing 3 Strikes yesterday never looked to the audience once as she picked numbers and I felt she was the most deserving contestant to ever win the game.
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For me, Going with TPIR on this one it'll be "Deluxe/Special/Plus/Super" games. Games like Dice Game Deluxe, 3 Strikes+ , Deluxe Lucky seven?
If we're talking purely about names, there was never any such thing as "Deluxe Lucky $even."
No Special or Super games either, but Money Game did become Big Money Game.
That's a very small thing to miss...especially because you weren't guaranteed to see any of thoe games on a given episode let alone in enhanced form. But to each his own.
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Ian W. touched on this once. I miss the 'live on tape' aspect of game shows that are missing from the edited shows we have today.
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[quote name='Jay Temple' For some reason, I thought it was 1998 or '99...
Oh, and going hand-in-hand with how I miss the list of sponsors being displayed against a shot of a set element, how could I miss fee plugs, with the announcer taking 40 seconds to read about Lee Press-On-Nails, Rice-A-Roni, Hawaiian Tropic and Bedsack bedding. None of these prerecorded commercials, give me the KFC gift certificate. ;-)
I agree (X gets the square)
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There's a lot of these, I agree with. However, one thing that has not been mentioned that sprung to mind was...spontaneity.
I enjoyed when mistakes were made or things went against the standard plan of the show (i.e. hosts flubbing lines and laughing it off, or Pat/Chuck landing on Bankrupt/Lose A Turn) and, unless it was severe enough to stop production, the editors kept it in. It made the show feel more natural and enjoyable.
Now, even the slightest flub gets edited out, and it just feels sterile to me. I hope I'm not the only one who thinks it, but I enjoyed the "just go with it" attitude.
The Inquisitive One
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There's a lot of these, I agree with. However, one thing that has not been mentioned that sprung to mind was...spontaneity.
I enjoyed when mistakes were made or things went against the standard plan of the show (i.e. hosts flubbing lines and laughing it off, or Pat/Chuck landing on Bankrupt/Lose A Turn) and, unless it was severe enough to stop production, the editors kept it in. It made the show feel more natural and enjoyable.
Now, even the slightest flub gets edited out, and it just feels sterile to me. I hope I'm not the only one who thinks it, but I enjoyed the "just go with it" attitude.
It was...referred to as shows being shot "live on tape". But I agree 100%. The idea of taking 6 hours to record a show just so it can be perfect is ridiculous. I like the little bloopers being left in.
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The live to tape aspect is certainly one thing I miss. That, and contestants who didn't act as though they were "coached" before the show on how to act, what to say, etc.
A thread on golden-road.net also reminded me of another thing I miss---the "Pink Panther" theme music used for Safe Crackers on TPIR.
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There's a lot of these, I agree with. However, one thing that has not been mentioned that sprung to mind was...spontaneity.
I enjoyed when mistakes were made or things went against the standard plan of the show (i.e. hosts flubbing lines and laughing it off, or Pat/Chuck landing on Bankrupt/Lose A Turn) and, unless it was severe enough to stop production, the editors kept it in. It made the show feel more natural and enjoyable.
Now, even the slightest flub gets edited out, and it just feels sterile to me. I hope I'm not the only one who thinks it, but I enjoyed the "just go with it" attitude.
It was...referred to as shows being shot "live on tape". But I agree 100%. The idea of taking 6 hours to record a show just so it can be perfect is ridiculous. I like the little bloopers being left in.
I definitely agree!!! Besides, it's more fun to watch 30 seconds of flubbing than a 30-second pregnant pause just to reveal one freakin' answer!
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Besides, it's more fun to watch 30 seconds of flubbing than a 30-second pregnant pause just to reveal one freakin' answer!
Disagrees. (http://www.aftertheglassslipper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/jack_benny.jpg)
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Besides, it's more fun to watch 30 seconds of flubbing than a 30-second pregnant pause just to reveal one freakin' answer!
Disagrees. (http://www.aftertheglassslipper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/jack_benny.jpg)
Oh, my. To compare the master of timing to the ham-fisted, brain-clogged modern game show method shows a pretty light grasp on the concept of "timing".
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Oh, my. To compare the master of timing to the ham-fisted, brain-clogged modern game show method shows a pretty light grasp on the concept of "timing".
Jokes Matt, jokes. :)
/doesn't watch enough modern game shows to notice.
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Oh, my. To compare the master of timing to the ham-fisted, brain-clogged modern game show method shows a pretty light grasp on the concept of "timing".
I think the joke was that ol' Jack was tight enough with a penny that if he was a game show producer and thought he could get away with it, he'd have a 30-MINUTE pregnant pause between each question and answer. :)
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Oh, my. To compare the master of timing to the ham-fisted, brain-clogged modern game show method shows a pretty light grasp on the concept of "timing".
I think the joke was that ol' Jack was tight enough with a penny that if he was a game show producer and thought he could get away with it, he'd have a 30-MINUTE pregnant pause between each question and answer. :)
I thought the reply was just because of his all-too-often pregnant pauses after jokes.
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My mind must be playing tricks on me. Do they still put the gold stuff on the floor to mimic a golden road on TPIR Golden Road? I may not miss it, but it showed well on the set imo.
Other than that, I do miss 2 things from WOF:
1) the free spin wedge. It was like collecting poker chips.
2) And of course, I miss Vanna White actually being of use on WOF in being a letter turner. I always loved mechanics on game shows other than Classic Concentration which is one of the only game shows that going computerized actually helped the show out. Computerizing WOF made Vanna's job obsolete. If they did the changeover to a newer puzzle board technology in 2011, the option of using OLED overlays for each letter on the old puzzle board would have meant the old puzzle board could have been reused. Why would you do this? Keep the aesthetics of the old board, still give Vanna a job to do, and she could prep the board for a toss-up round by having all the letters pre-turned and lighting up each letter on OLED displays remotely as needed. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, they could toss out all the letter overlays too. Of course, 3 of my 4 reasons are already addressed with the current puzzle board. It just feels out of place having Vanna there other than that there's always been a woman standing next to the puzzle board. Maybe that's too much wishful thinking and a bit off topic.
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other than Classic Concentration which is one of the only game shows that going computerized actually helped the show out.
I could not disagree with this more.
If they did the changeover to a newer puzzle board technology in 2011, the option of using OLED overlays for each letter on the old puzzle board would have meant the old puzzle board could have been reused. Why would you do this?
Precisely. Why would you do that?
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It just feels out of place having Vanna there other than that there's always been a woman standing next to the puzzle board. Maybe that's too much wishful thinking and a bit off topic.
Do you think she's a flat-chested bimbo too?
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It just feels out of place having Vanna there other than that there's always been a woman standing next to the puzzle board. Maybe that's too much wishful thinking and a bit off topic.
Do you think she's a flat-chested bimbo too?
Now that's what I call going off topic.
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It just feels out of place having Vanna there other than that there's always been a woman standing next to the puzzle board. Maybe that's too much wishful thinking and a bit off topic.
Do you think she's a flat-chested bimbo too?
Now that's what I call going off topic.
No, what it means (to no surprise) is that you missed the joke.