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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: tyshaun1 on June 27, 2011, 07:51:21 PM
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/survivors-jeff-probst-inks-deal-205869
Rumor has it that CBS is willing to forfeit an hour of daytime programming in exchange for its affiliates picking up this talk show. Even though "The Talk" is currently the network's lowest rated show, it and Let's Make A Deal are neck and neck in the 18-49 demo.
Tyshaun
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It's a syndicated show, so that does not mean the end of LMAD, necessarily. Maybe CBS will cut B&B or Y&R as a cost saving measure.
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It's a syndicated show, so that does not mean the end of LMAD, necessarily. Maybe CBS will cut B&B or Y&R as a cost saving measure.
As often as I see it being said that soaps are dying, I don't see that happening anytime soon. Those are the number one and two daytime shows on television. That's not to say within the next few years they might consider it.
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It's a syndicated show, so that does not mean the end of LMAD, necessarily. Maybe CBS will cut B&B or Y&R as a cost saving measure.
While it's a good idea, I don't think those 2 soaps are not going anywhere any time soon. Y&R is sponsered by Sony and is the highest viewership for the past 5-10 years. B&B has won 3 Best Soap Opera in the past 3 years.
Maybe, they could cut LMAD to a 1/2 hour, get rid of The Talk and give back the affilites a 1/2 hour so they can compete in the noon news block.
My opinion though...
Charles Atkins
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Why? (to JO)
Besides, isn't Dr. Phil's contract up in 2012? Would free up a spot on CTD's big board (and isn't that a part of a few O&O lineups too? I know a lot of NBC affiliates were running him but I have to figure at least one other CBS O&O is airing him). Plus I can't imagine Rachael Ray is pulling in the same numbers she once did.
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Why? (to JO)
Besides, isn't Dr. Phil's contract up in 2012? Would free up a spot on CTD's big board (and isn't that a part of a few O&O lineups too? I know a lot of NBC affiliates were running him but I have to figure at least one other CBS O&O is airing him). Plus I can't imagine Rachael Ray is pulling in the same numbers she once did.
Dr. Phil is now the number one talk show in daytime in the two weeks since Oprah went into reruns, so he's not going anywhere. I doubt many CBS stations will pick up the new Katie Couric show, since she flopped as their evening news anchor. It all comes down to cost of production. A soap requires teams of writers, actors, set designers, tech people, etc. and they can never be rerun. Soaps are becoming an anacronism. ABC is dumping two of them soon and they're also doing away with SoapNet.
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I call shenanigans on Dr. Phil having the highest rated talk show. Proof or Not Real.
Considering that Y&R and B&B are still drawing ratings, unlike the other jettisoned serials, i don't see why CBS would be in a rush to drop them. Guiding Light had crappy ratings for years and As the World Turns didn't age gracefully either.
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One option that no one seems to be talking about is the future of "The Early Show." There's a new team in charge at CBS News, and it's well-known that the suits at The Eye are not happing with "Early's" putrid ratings. IIRC, CBS gave "Early" an ultimatum not too long ago to shape up and break some news stories or else.
Currently, "Early" gets about one-third of "Today's" ratings in the 25-54 demo. The show regularly trails Today, GMA, local Fox affiliate newscasts and "Fox and Friends." The last time CBS wasn't in the morning show cellar, Willard Scott was wearing a Carmen Miranda costume. Affiliates are still not pleased with a CBS directive from a few years ago that forced them to broadcast "Early Show."
Maybe it's me, but I can see CBS getting out of the morning news show game entirely, cancelling "Early" and giving the two hours back to the affiliates, provided that one hour goes to Mr. Probst.
JD
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Considering CBS has been remarkably unwilling to leave the morning show game despite its inability to draw flies I don't see that happening.
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I call shenanigans on Dr. Phil having the highest rated talk show. Proof or Not Real.
Not that hard (http://"http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/06/22/syndicated-tv-ratings-top-25-judge-judy-easily-tops-syndicated-ratings/96252/") to verify. Dr. Phil's show was #14, the next closest were Oprah reruns at #21, then Live at #23.
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Color me surprised.
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Considering CBS has been remarkably unwilling to leave the morning show game despite its inability to draw flies I don't see that happening.
But The ChenbotŪ is not a daily personality on that show anymore. It has a better chance at cancellation than at least "The Talk" and "Big Brother".
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Considering CBS has been remarkably unwilling to leave the morning show game despite its inability to draw flies I don't see that happening.
But The ChenbotŪ is not a daily personality on that show anymore. It has a better chance at cancellation than at least "The Talk" and "Big Brother".
Absolutely irrelevant. She wasn't there from the beginning of CBS' morning program broadcasts and CBS has really struggled to find morning success over the years.
I don't care if she's shtupping the head of the network. She was neither the cause of, nor any sort of solution to, the long standing morning show issues that continue to plague CBS. Like I said, it hasn't mattered worth a crap who has been hosting or connected with the morning program at CBS, they haven't been able to do much there. And they don't seem willing to concede that point and find some other way.
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I call shenanigans on Dr. Phil having the highest rated talk show. Proof or Not Real.
Real, for at least for week one. (http://"http://www.adweek.com/news/television/programming-insider-wednesday-61511-132570")
The problem I've seen on the net is some saying "CBS signs Probst to Talker" and not even reporting that it's CBSD and not necessarily a true net talker.
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Like I said, it hasn't mattered worth a crap who has been hosting or connected with the morning program at CBS, they haven't been able to do much there. And they don't seem willing to concede that point and find some other way.
Actually, I got the impression that the latest move was absolutely a concession to their reality. Field a B-team of capable but inexpensive (by network standards) talent and subsist off the third-place crumbs. What "other way" is there except to totally give up and give the time back to the locals? It's not like they'll be bringing back Captain Kangaroo.
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Like I said, it hasn't mattered worth a crap who has been hosting or connected with the morning program at CBS, they haven't been able to do much there. And they don't seem willing to concede that point and find some other way.
Actually, I got the impression that the latest move was absolutely a concession to their reality. Field a B-team of capable but inexpensive (by network standards) talent and subsist off the third-place crumbs. What "other way" is there except to totally give up and give the time back to the locals? It's not like they'll be bringing back Captain Kangaroo.
I find it a little tough to believe that the Eye didn't make this move without believing that it would give them the ratings boost so desperately desired by the news division. I can't imagine they're taking it well at all. (Bet it also isn't helping that Scott Pelley hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire with his takeover of the nightly broadcast- weren't his ratings actually lower than what they had been pulling in before he took over?)
And you are spot on as to where else can they go from here because the logical answer is to step away. But I doubt that's gonna happen.
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I find it a little tough to believe that the Eye didn't make this move without believing that it would give them the ratings boost so desperately desired by the news division. I can't imagine they're taking it well at all. (Bet it also isn't helping that Scott Pelley hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire with his takeover of the nightly broadcast- weren't his ratings actually lower than what they had been pulling in before he took over?)
And you are spot on as to where else can they go from here because the logical answer is to step away. But I doubt that's gonna happen.
I dunno...I kinda wonder how many times are they gonna try and reinvent the wheel before they realize none of their morning news efforts are helping them catch Today or even Good Morning America.
They tried Bryant Gumbel in 1999. Flopped.
I'm trying to remember was there an actual revamp between '99 and the last few months when they revamped the show again?
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Bet it also isn't helping that Scott Pelley hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire with his takeover of the nightly broadcast- weren't his ratings actually lower than what they had been pulling in before he took over?)
Kinda sorta:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cbs-news-insists-scott-pelleys-off-to-a-fine-start-despite-what-you-may-have-read-here/
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They thought Hannah Storm was gonna be their savior for a while, I think. If you were to do an If They Mated with Storm and Greta Van Susteren, does the resulting offspring actually talk out of the center of their mouth?
I think CBS was definitely looking to tighten the purse-strings with this latest crew, but at the same time I think they had a glimmer of hope that it would catch on. I tend to watch the show for a couple minutes in the morning when I'm getting ready for work (pretty much solely by the virtue of the TV being tuned there when I turn it on, since I usually go to sleep with Letterman / CraigyFerg), and Hill and Wragge actually do have a modicum of talent and enough chemistry that it isn't that painful to watch.
/I'd subsist off of Erica Hill's crumbs anytime
//giggity
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I find it a little tough to believe that the Eye didn't make this move without believing that it would give them the ratings boost so desperately desired by the news division. I can't imagine they're taking it well at all. (Bet it also isn't helping that Scott Pelley hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire with his takeover of the nightly broadcast- weren't his ratings actually lower than what they had been pulling in before he took over?)
You and I read both of these events completely differently. In both cases, especially in the case of the morning show, I totally saw the move as a cut-our-losses white flag. To use your phraseology, I find it a little tough to believe that the Eye thought replacing established, well-known figures with nobodies, and making no other changes, would improve their situation in the slightest.
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/survivors-jeff-probst-inks-deal-205869
Rumor has it that CBS is willing to forfeit an hour of daytime programming in exchange for its affiliates picking up this talk show. Even though "The Talk" is currently the network's lowest rated show, it and Let's Make A Deal are neck and neck in the 18-49 demo.
Tyshaun
Guys : It's syndicated. You're all reading waaaaayyyyyy too much into this.
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Is it even viable to keep The Early Show on at this stage? Probably would be smarter for CBS to try new show ideas -- maybe even game shows -- than to constantly be stomped by GMA and Today with their sub-par morning show. Sure as hell ain't giving that time back to affiliates, that's certain.
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Is it even viable to keep The Early Show on at this stage? Probably would be smarter for CBS to try new show ideas -- maybe even game shows -- than to constantly be stomped by GMA and Today with their sub-par morning show. Sure as hell ain't giving that time back to affiliates, that's certain.
I wouldn't do game shows in the early show slot. If anything, I would do repeats of the previous night's primetime. Two or three hours for those who missed it/work third shift, etc. It's a new idea, but one that would work and be a fresh alternative to the info on the other channels.
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I wouldn't do game shows in the early show slot. If anything, I would do repeats of the previous night's primetime. Two or three hours for those who missed it/work third shift, etc. It's a new idea, but one that would work and be a fresh alternative to the info on the other channels.
That would be a great idea.
...If it was 10 years ago, before DVRs were commonplace. Nowadays most people probably DVR shows they missed, or get them from on-demand services.
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Guys : It's syndicated. You're all reading waaaaayyyyyy too much into this.
If it were such hot stuff, the network would cancel LMAD and put the Probst show on the network.
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I find it a little tough to believe that the Eye didn't make this move without believing that it would give them the ratings boost so desperately desired by the news division. I can't imagine they're taking it well at all. (Bet it also isn't helping that Scott Pelley hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire with his takeover of the nightly broadcast- weren't his ratings actually lower than what they had been pulling in before he took over?)
You and I read both of these events completely differently. In both cases, especially in the case of the morning show, I totally saw the move as a cut-our-losses white flag. To use your phraseology, I find it a little tough to believe that the Eye thought replacing established, well-known figures with nobodies, and making no other changes, would improve their situation in the slightest.
Eh. I like to believe in most cases, when a move like that is made it's to try to drive the ratings up. But I see where you come from.
Only people who know the real reasons are the ones who were part of the decision making process and they ain't talkin'.