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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Twentington on December 04, 2011, 01:49:54 PM
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A while back, I noticed that on the Season 22 premiere of Wheel, at least one whole turn got edited out by accident. The result — a P suddenly appearing on the board despite not being called, and a contestant having two Gift Tags when she solves even though you never see her hit one of them.
That seems a pretty big mistake. Have there been any other times where a valid portion of the game got cut out by mistake? The only other one I can think of was the Password Plus round with Wink and Gene that accidentally got deleted.
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Would any instance of Family Feud going "not enough points" count?
/oh, you said mistake
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How about this scene from the Michael Larson sweep on Press Your Luck
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtZSunTpoOE
Notice that at 2.45, his score is $40,601, but then at 3.06, the next time he hits $1000+SPIN, it immediately jumps to $42,601.
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How about this scene from the Michael Larson sweep on Press Your Luck
Notice that at 2.45, his score is $40,601, but then at 3.06, the next time he hits $1000+SPIN, it immediately jumps to $42,601.
Unless there was a spin that was completely destroyed, it was controller error. The documentary version (which had unaired footage) did not have an extra spin in it.
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Keep in mind, anything that should have been seen might not have been "edited out by mistake." The only way you'd know for sure is if you were sitting in the edit bay.
On a Drew Price, they once left out an entire pick in 2 for the Price of 1.
-Jason
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How about this scene from the Michael Larson sweep on Press Your Luck
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtZSunTpoOE
Notice that at 2.45, his score is $40,601, but then at 3.06, the next time he hits $1000+SPIN, it immediately jumps to $42,601.
I thought that, when GSN aired the two Larson episodes "in their entirety," they pointed out a number of spins that had not appeared in the original broadcast (presumably in order for CBS to fit the whole thing into two episodes).
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Nope. The person running the scoreboard added an extra $1,000 by mistake at one point. No spins were edited out on the original broadcast.
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Then why didn't they bring back Larson due to a technical error?
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Then why didn't they bring back Larson due to a technical error?
Not sure if serious...he just legally fleeced you out of the largest amount of money won on a daytime game and you would bring him back?
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Plus, you generally don't need to bring the winner back when the technical error is to the winner's benefit.
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Then why didn't they bring back Larson due to a technical error?
Because it didn't affect the outcome of the OMG YOU MAKE MY HEAD HURT.
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Link to spin before score jump. (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcdYDLX03ws&feature=player_detailpage#t=40s")
Link to unaired footage. (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcdYDLX03ws&feature=player_detailpage#t=124s")
Maybe the missing $1000 was cut from the original broadcast and never restored for the special. I won't wonder too hard, because
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- it happened 25 years ago
- if it was an error, it was a relative error of less than 1%
- it wasn't my money
- Michael isn't around to spend it anymore
- I have fresh air to go enjoy
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Link to spin before score jump. (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcdYDLX03ws&feature=player_detailpage#t=40s")
There was no edit there for sure. It was an error in the tabulation. We've known this for years because everyone has analyzed his run backwards and forwards.
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On a Drew Price, they once left out an entire pick in 2 for the Price of 1.
Really! And we thought it was bad news when Bart was missing reveals.
Then why didn't they bring back Larson due to a technical error?
Because it didn't affect the outcome of the OMG YOU MAKE MY HEAD HURT.
Yeah, that's my answer.
They do correct totals on Jeopardy! for reasons other than technical errors. I suspect the amount added to/subtracted from the player's score is tied in to their pick of the question, making it an error that theoretically can't happen, except on a Daily Double.
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From time to time on Scrabble, they'd build off a word that hadn't been seen. I have no way of knowing, but I can think of at least two scenarios in which this would be logical way of proceeding:
1. There was an error, such as an answer being blurted out. (doesn't fit your criteria)
2. Neither contestant was able to solve it. (fits)
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On a Drew Price, they once left out an entire pick in 2 for the Price of 1.
They've done things like this a few times. They've also edited out a ninth contestant's bid (which I thought was kind of disrespectful, since it was that person's only chance to say anything the whole show -- I wouldn't appreciate being essentially edited out of the program if I were that player), and a couple of times when they removed a spin that hadn't gone all the way around, they did such a bad job that the next spin ended up looking like it hadn't gone all the way around but got counted anyway.
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At my taping of Million Dollar Password, we were instructed that if a player bombed out in the $10,000 round, they'd stop tape and give it a second go. Fail a second time, and they'd toss that whole half of the episode.
I'm not sure if I'm recalling correctly, but I think at Chad's taping (which was later in the weekend), they extended the "let's pretend this never happened" rule to the $25,000 level.
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I'm not sure if I'm recalling correctly, but I think at Chad's taping (which was later in the weekend), they extended the "let's pretend this never happened" rule to the $25,000 level.
Yessir. I think this was the result of William Shatner's taping, where he and a contestant (a former Super Password champion) couldn't make it past the bottom tier of the endgame, even with the double try. This was, of course, removed from the final show.
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Ridiculous! If you bomb out, it airs. I hate this current era of re-edit, edit for drama and edit for attention spans. Roll tape and do your half hour shows in thirty minutes. There are better producers and directors that can do this. R. Brian and the rest need to watch the shows from the 60s and 70s and get a clue on proper directing. These pregnant pauses are almost becoming/have become parody.
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R. Brian and the rest need to watch the shows from the 60s and 70s and get a clue on proper directing.
Did you see any of his work during his couple of years on Price? It was the best directing work the show had seen in many years. I think he knows what he's doing.
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Ridiculous! If you bomb out, it airs.
This, this, this. Throwing out an entire half because somebody lost the endgame is idiotic on a level near Feud's "not enough points" (but not quite there -- Password wanted to see a winner, Feud does it because they're too lazy to program a sixth question), which could've been avoided by giving the winner $5,000 and augmenting it to the amount won in the bonus round.
But in general, game shows need to stop chopping everything to pieces because viewers can tell when they happen and hate it -- record "as live", don't alter for "drama" or emphasis or throws to commercial, don't begin a phrase only for it to be a throw to commercial (Mandel and Foxworthy were big-time offenders here), don't overuse filler, don't go the dubbing route, and don't overuse gimmicks (but avoid the Crosswords route of not using them at all).
And speaking of valid gameplay edited out on purpose, Our Little Genius.
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Ridiculous! If you bomb out, it airs.
And how do you presume to fill the extra 15 minutes of now-empty content? (Difficulty: No, you do not get to start a new game and straddle. By the nature of celebrity guests, you can't. You've been handed a format that says "two games in an hour, so mote it be, period. Make it fit.")
(Though this begs the question: what did they do on the pre-1980s Pyramid when a front game ended at the end of a show on a Friday? Did they just make damn sure they shoehorned in that WC before they ended, or did the contestant play the WC with one of the new celebrities on a Monday? I suspect the former, seeing as Dick was pro enough to move things along as necessary to make that extra ninety seconds fit if they knew they would need to going in.)
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Another thing that needs to come back is booing dumb contestants. I always hated it when a really easy question was missed on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? and the audience applauded. Those kinds of players deserve to be booed.
I'll keep this in mind whenever you find yourself on a game show with the pressure of a host, lights, camera and an audience bearing down on you.
/I sure "missed" your OUTRAGE!!!! snits.
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(Though this begs the question: what did they do on the pre-1980s Pyramid when a front game ended at the end of a show on a Friday? Did they just make damn sure they shoehorned in that WC before they ended, or did the contestant play the WC with one of the new celebrities on a Monday? I suspect the former, seeing as Dick was pro enough to move things along as necessary to make that extra ninety seconds fit if they knew they would need to going in.)
Although it sounds very illogical, I could swear I've read that the celebrity of the winning team came back on Monday just for the WC.
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Another thing that needs to come back is booing dumb contestants. I always hated it when a really easy question was missed on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? and the audience applauded. Those kinds of players deserve to be booed.
(Quoting for the inevitable edit and backpedal.)
What a completely and utterly assholish thing to say.
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because viewers can tell when they happen and hate it
You sure seem to know a whole lot about what 100,000,000 people think.
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which could've been avoided by giving the winner $5,000 and augmenting it to the amount won in the bonus round.
Agrees (http://"http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3211/matmonbag2ec0.gif").
(Are Dan's posts approved for our enjoyment too? ;)
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But in general, game shows need to stop chopping everything to pieces because viewers can tell when they happen and hate it -- record "as live", don't alter for "drama" or emphasis or throws to commercial, don't begin a phrase only for it to be a throw to commercial (Mandel and Foxworthy D/ND and 5th Grader's producers* were big-time offenders here)
Fixed. The hosts only do what's on the script, as idiotic as it looked.
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But in general, game shows need to stop chopping everything to pieces because viewers can tell when they happen and hate it -- record "as live", don't alter for "drama" or emphasis or throws to commercial, don't begin a phrase only for it to be a throw to commercial (Mandel and Foxworthy D/ND and 5th Grader's producers* were big-time offenders here)
Fixed. The hosts only do what's on the script, as idiotic as it looked.
Even Pat Wayne?
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(Irrelevant to the discussion; don't even know why I said it, to be honest.)
Then why in the f-ck did you say it?
Seriously, how many friggin' times have you been told to stop rush posting without thinking? It's okay to go "wait a sec" before you hit the Reply button. There's no time limit.
You're doing this on purpose, aren't you?
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I'm sure Dan will be right here to give the wrong answer anyway, but I don't recall "booing of dumb contestants" to be a thing that we do in the United States, at least seriously. Boo someone for not spinning the wheel or for giving a non sequitur answer on The Feud. But to boo someone for fluking out on Millionaire, well, that's Benfield for you.
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But in general, game shows need to stop chopping everything to pieces because viewers can tell when they happen and hate it -- record "as live", don't alter for "drama" or emphasis or throws to commercial, don't begin a phrase only for it to be a throw to commercial (Mandel and Foxworthy D/ND and 5th Grader's producers* were big-time offenders here)
Fixed. The hosts only do what's on the script, as idiotic as it looked.
Even Pat Wayne?
Apples and oranges. The producers of the above shows wanted to manufacture milk the drama by stretching the action over a commercial break. Patrick Wayne was simply a stereotypical sitcom game show host.
As for booing, I've seen it happen to contestants on approximately two occasions: not spinning the wheel all the way around, and for giving a ridiculous answer on Match Game...all in good-natured ribbing. To boo someone for having a brain fart during a much more stressful trivia game is cruel and asinine, even if it's elementary level easy.
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I have to say, I get no greater feeling of joy on this board than I do from reading one of Dan's rambling Andy Rooney posts, and then seeing that there's two more pages of discussion after that.
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(Though this begs the question: what did they do on the pre-1980s Pyramid when a front game ended at the end of a show on a Friday?
All of this is from previous board posts, so if I misremember anything or misspeak, feel free to step in and correct me.
Earlier on, they once brought back the celeb in question just for a top of show WC on Monday. Based on our recollection, it was Nipsey, who was...available. But after that, instead of trying to fit it all in, they brought back the players the following week, and had the celebs play a Winner's Circle as a team for a nominal sum ($1,000?) that was split between the players. JoAnne Worley and David Letterman played one such WC if memory serves.
-Jason
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and had the celebs play a Winner's Circle as a team for a nominal sum ($1,000?) that was split between the players. JoAnne Worley and David Letterman played one such WC if memory serves.
I remembered it as five such nominal sums, but you were correct about splitting the money; that's how you'd have carryover champions with $775.
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Another thing that needs to come back is booing dumb contestants. I always hated it when a really easy question was missed on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? and the audience applauded. Those kinds of players deserve to be booed.
(Quoting for the inevitable edit and backpedal.)
You may pick up your prize at the door, sir.
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Strikethrough edit and fumbling non-apology means I've got Benfield Bingo!
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Strikethrough edit and fumbling non-apology means I've got Benfield Bingo!
It's like Bossy Bingo (http://"http://magicvalley.com/news/local/twin-falls/article_c26011bc-7ec3-503f-b72b-f0421202f11e.html"), but with more shiat.
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As for booing, I've seen it happen to contestants on approximately two occasions: not spinning the wheel all the way around, and for giving a ridiculous answer on Match Game...all in good-natured ribbing.
I've seen a few tough bonus puzzles on Wheel get booed. THAT'S IFFY is one that I remember.
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I've seen a few tough bonus puzzles on Wheel get booed. THAT'S IFFY is one that I remember.
And that's booing the puzzle writer/producer/show for trying to get one over on the player, not the player himself.
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(Though this begs the question: what did they do on the pre-1980s Pyramid when a front game ended at the end of a show on a Friday?
All of this is from previous board posts, so if I misremember anything or misspeak, feel free to step in and correct me.
Earlier on, they once brought back the celeb in question just for a top of show WC on Monday. Based on our recollection, it was Nipsey, who was...available. But after that, instead of trying to fit it all in, they brought back the players the following week, and had the celebs play a Winner's Circle as a team for a nominal sum ($1,000?) that was split between the players. JoAnne Worley and David Letterman played one such WC if memory serves.
-Jason
The two-celeb version is what they did when Friday's second game ended in a tie, not when the game was actually resolved. I don't discount what you said about Nipsey's game, and it makes sense to me. Logistically, you could just tape the game and edit it so it looked like it all done at the same time.
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Logistically, you could just tape the game and edit it so it looked like it all done at the same time.
Curious to know how you plan to block that show's open without a WHOLE BUNCH of jump-cuts.
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Logistically, you could just tape the game and edit it so it looked like it all done at the same time.
Curious to know how you plan to block that show's open without a WHOLE BUNCH of jump-cuts.
Do a regular intro, but just introduce Dick Clark sans celebs. Have the returning celeb and civilian already in the Winner's Cirlce waiting. To explain the absence of the current week's celebs, just have Dick say something like "Joann Worley and David Letterman are waiting in the wings to begin the week, but we have a little business to take care of from last week first." Cut to break after the round is over, and come back with all of the new people in their proper places. The biggest challenge would be assuring that Dick and the civilian were wearing the same clothes at the start of the new tape date.
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Do a regular intro, but just introduce Dick Clark sans celebs.
Then that's not a regular intro. You're really gonna do the "Your guests this week" intro without the guests actually coming out?
I mean, I suppose you could, and they may have, but that just sounds kludgey as hell to me.
The biggest challenge would be assuring that Dick and the civilian were wearing the same clothes at the start of the new tape date.
That's actually the easy part.
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Lemme see...do the standard intro with the celebs, have Dick mention that he'll chat with them in a moment, then cut to Nipsey and the champ walking out as he mentions that they're taking care of unfinished business.
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Lemme see...do the standard intro with the celebs, have Dick mention that he'll chat with them in a moment, then cut to Nipsey and the champ walking out as he mentions that they're taking care of unfinished business.
Hmm. Still a little kludgey, but less so. I suppose I can see that. Don't like having to call the people out from the wings into the Winner's Circle, though.
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Do a regular intro, but just introduce Dick Clark sans celebs.
Then that's not a regular intro. You're really gonna do the "Your guests this week" intro without the guests actually coming out?
I mean, I suppose you could, and they may have, but that just sounds kludgey as hell to me.
Sorry...I meant something like "This is The $20,000 Pyramid...and here's your host-"
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Sorry...I meant something like "This is The $20,000 Pyramid...and here's your host-"
Right. That's even worse.
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Sorry...I meant something like "This is The $20,000 Pyramid...and here's your host-"
Right. That's even worse.
Pray tell, how is it worse than introducing celebrities that will force you to make some ugly edits in post?
There's no easy way to do this. I figure the way I've blocked it is so that there doesn't have to be a jump cut- the only thing missing is two new celebrities making an entrance on the Monday show. Otherwise, the tape has to get hacked somewhere in the process.
BTW, I personally thought that a winning contestant with a WC that carried into the next week just got to choose before hand which of the new stars he/she would play the endgame with on Monday- but my only memory of 70s Pyramid was Game show Saturday Night many years ago, so I may just be pulling that one out of my posterior.
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Pray tell, how is it worse than introducing celebrities that will force you to make some ugly edits in post?
Not giving your celebrity guests a proper introduction at the top of the show? Not good at all.
There's no easy way to do this.
Exactly my point.
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Pray tell, how is it worse than introducing celebrities that will force you to make some ugly edits in post?
Not giving your celebrity guests a proper introduction at the top of the show? Not good at all.
I don't think it's gonna kill them if this were to happen- after all, Dick is really good at managing the time remaining in the episode so things like this won't happen. I mean, we as a group could only recall one valid time that this instance came up, so it must be something that doesn't even happen yearly.
Besides, who is this bad for? As long as Monday's guests are cool with it, I don't see a problem- after all, what viewer is going to argue with a Winner's Circle being played at the top of the show?
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Getting back to the original topic, I seem to remember another "phantom letter" on Wheel similar to the one I mentioned in the first post — I could swear there was a more recent episode where an S appeared on the board despite not being called. I wanna say it was sometime in season 24.
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Logistically, you could just tape the game and edit it so it looked like it all done at the same time.
Curious to know how you plan to block that show's open without a WHOLE BUNCH of jump-cuts.
To second Chris' thought, if you're going to be showing VTR, why even try to make it seamless? "When we ran out of time on Friday, Jane Doe and Anita Gillette were about to play the Winner's Circle for $10,000. Since that was Anita's last day with us, we gave them their chance immediately after the end of the show. Here's what happened."
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Yes, back on topic. Thank you.
I will add "The Price Is Right" episode of Gameshow Marathon. While playing Hole in One (or Two), they edited out the whole "or Two" bit and the second (missed) putt. When it aired, all of the loyal friends and true figured that there were different rules for this special.
I'd like to count Celebrity Poker Showdown here, which production-wise felt more game-show-like than other poker programs. Hands that were largely inconsequential were edited, but the dealer position would noticeably be affected.
And just to comment on a point that I was going to make before the thread tailspun, regarding the editing/canning bad endgames on Million Dollar Password. I understand the outrage as a game show purist. But as an entry in network primetime, from which non-reality-style game shows have been largely absent for nearly a decade, the program had a six-episode order to fill. If you have an end game that bombs, that is 8% of your entire season, on which you are trying sell a second season. (The 8% includes the preceding front game as well.) Trashing a half episode for poor gameplay was a necessity in this case.
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(The 8% includes the preceding front game as well.) Trashing a half episode for poor gameplay was a necessity in this case.
Why? Because (the Minnesota Vikings nonwithstanding) America is so watered down these days that people don't want to watch a loser?
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Why? Because (the Minnesota Vikings nonwithstanding) America is so watered down these days that people don't want to watch a loser?
Lolwhat?
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Back in the day, tape editing was more of a burden than it is today. On Downs Concentration, weren't there times that the game was completed "off the air" and the results announced the next day? <mildly humorous remark coming> Of course, I'm the type that wants to see the coin toss/lots drawn/straws drawn to see who goes first.<end mildly humorous remark>
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The editors at Wheel are fond of editing out "full passes" of all three contestants losing their turn without any change in score or other status. This is easiest to spot in the speed-up round, when they suddenly cut to a shot of Pat.
I've seen them be sloppy with it on several other occasions, although usually not as noticeably. Someone winning a round and you wonder what happened to that gift card they picked up earlier...
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It's not limited to gift cards, even prize wedges mysteriously disappears once in awhile for no particular reason. And I swear I thought I saw where the Million $ wedge was there in one round but was suspiciously absent thereafter.
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It's not limited to gift cards, even prize wedges mysteriously disappears once in awhile for no particular reason. And I swear I thought I saw where the Million $ wedge was there in one round but was suspiciously absent thereafter.
Close. They somehow forgot to put the MDW on the Wheel for the first New Orleans episode last season. And the second episode had a spin from the first episode dubbed in (rather poorly), with the MDW absent from said spin even though it was definitely there for the rest of the game.
The prizes aren't truly "disappearing" most of the time. They're just dubbing in spins from other episodes, and not doing a good job at it. I even saw one dubbed-in spin where a completely different prize wedge was plainly visible.
I've seen Wild Cards suddenly disappear from contestants' posessions due to an all-Bankrupt cycle getting edited out (including an episode back in September), but never prize wedges, gift tags, MDW, etc. disappear in that fashion.
On the other hand, I've also seen recent episodes where they didn't edit out, say, three consecutive wrong letters in a Speed-Up.
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How about the time when someone erased a Password Plus tape (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmAovnbzMac)?
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How about the time when someone erased a Password Plus tape (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmAovnbzMac)?
Mentioned in my original post.
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Bumping this thread to include a tape operator error from To Tell The Truth (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XGY6t3Jrcw"). (Yes, I checked this time!)