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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Ian Wallis on May 09, 2012, 04:47:21 PM
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I thought I'd start a thread about widely held beliefs about game shows that you are sure are not true. I can't recall a thread dedicated just to this kind of topic in the past.
I'll start:
The $10,000 Pyramid - the debut of the Big 7. I've heard it stated that it's thought to have started on Dec 23, 1974, the day the show changed time slots from 4 PM to 2 PM. It's even listed that way on wikicrapia.
I think that date is incorrect. Here's why: the show was on tape-delay in my area, but when it changed time slots we got it live at 2 PM, so I watched it fairly regularly. One day, after not seeing the show for a while, Dick referenced a new feature called the Big 7. He also stated something like "we haven't seen it in the first game for a while". Being an anxious pre-teen, I was curious as to what this new feature was about, and was worried I'd go through the show without seeing it (not realizing when Dick said that, that it popped up once per show).
Since I hadn't seen the show for a while and it now had this new feature, I'm thinking it would have debuted sometime just before spring break - about mid-March 1975. I'm sure the Dec '74 date is too early.
Got any others?
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I thought I'd start a thread about widely held beliefs about game shows that you are sure are not true. I can't recall a thread dedicated just to this kind of topic in the past.
I'll start:
The $10,000 Pyramid - the debut of the Big 7. I've heard it stated that it's thought to have started on Dec 23, 1974, the day the show changed time slots from 4 PM to 2 PM. It's even listed that way on wikicrapia.
I think that date is incorrect. Here's why: the show was on tape-delay in my area, but when it changed time slots we got it live at 2 PM, so I watched it fairly regularly. One day, after not seeing the show for a while, Dick referenced a new feature called the Big 7. He also stated something like "we haven't seen it in the first game for a while". Being an anxious pre-teen, I was curious as to what this new feature was about, and was worried I'd go through the show without seeing it (not realizing when Dick said that, that it popped up once per show).
Since I hadn't seen the show for a while and it now had this new feature, I'm thinking it would have debuted sometime just before spring break - about mid-March 1975. I'm sure the Dec '74 date is too early.
Got any others?
Not sure if this is EXACTLY what you are looking for..........but going back to the early days of discussing game shows on the internet, I seem to remember it being a widely held belief that the Star Wheel's debut and the new set of MG '78 went hand-in-hand, which is now known as not true - the Star Wheel debuted a few weeks before the new set (and boy, IMHO, did it look out of place)...
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I thought I'd start a thread about widely held beliefs about game shows that you are sure are not true. I can't recall a thread dedicated just to this kind of topic in the past.
I'll start:
The $10,000 Pyramid - the debut of the Big 7. I've heard it stated that it's thought to have started on Dec 23, 1974, the day the show changed time slots from 4 PM to 2 PM. It's even listed that way on wikicrapia.
I think that date is incorrect. Here's why: the show was on tape-delay in my area, but when it changed time slots we got it live at 2 PM, so I watched it fairly regularly. One day, after not seeing the show for a while, Dick referenced a new feature called the Big 7. He also stated something like "we haven't seen it in the first game for a while". Being an anxious pre-teen, I was curious as to what this new feature was about, and was worried I'd go through the show without seeing it (not realizing when Dick said that, that it popped up once per show).
Since I hadn't seen the show for a while and it now had this new feature, I'm thinking it would have debuted sometime just before spring break - about mid-March 1975. I'm sure the Dec '74 date is too early.
Got any others?
Not sure if this is EXACTLY what you are looking for..........but going back to the early days of discussing game shows on the internet, I seem to remember it being a widely held belief that the Star Wheel's debut and the new set of MG '78 went hand-in-hand, which is now known as not true - the Star Wheel debuted a few weeks before the new set (and boy, IMHO, did it look out of place)...
I'm almost sure that there were only 11 episodes of FOX Family Double Dare. I personally have 10 episodes and recently found out based on an LA Times article that one of the episodes I'm missing was an hour long. If all of these other episodes have turned up, why haven't the so called "missing ones" turned up somewhere?
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With lots of non-GSN episodes of Press Your Luck recently resurfacing onto YouTube, here are some myths related to that show, that I think can now be debunked:
1) The PYL Board Configurations Page (http://"http://users.btes.tv/syoder/pylboard/") says that the stakes in round 1 increased on the 11/2/83 episode (the same day board sound #2 debuted). But actually, it happened sometime during the week of October 17. I don't know when exactly, all I know is that it happened sometime during that week (the show normally did 11 episodes every other weekend, so it wasn't uncommon for them to make cosmetic changes during a week of shows).
2) The episode guides, for weeks 3-6 are off by one episode. The real episode #030, which aired on 10/28/83, had Tony/Sam/Aradine as the contestants.
3) One episode guide (http://"http://web.archive.org/web/20090430093455/http://www.pressyourluck.tv/pylepisode4.html") says that the last episode with Double Your $$ (No spin) was on 12/5/85, and another (http://"http://web.archive.org/web/20080615182312/http://www2.hawaii.edu/~awakamat/pylguide5.htm") says that it was 12/11/85. Most likely, the former is correct, because Peter Tomarken's birthday was on December 7, which is acknowledged on the Robert/Jackie/Trish episode.
Finally, there are rumors that in 1986, there was an incredibly big Whammy loss, bigger than Cathy Singer's $31,408 loss. It has not been verified yet, but if it is true, then it would obviously debunk the myth that $31,408 was the largest amount of money ever lost to a Whammy on the show.
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Are we supposed to be impressed by all the minutiae gslover87 knows?
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Are we supposed to be impressed by all the minutiae gslover87 knows?
No.
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Replace "widely held beliefs" with "things not even other game show fans know" and you'll have my opinion on the value of this thread. But people love doing it, so just sit back and let them.
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Finally, there are rumors that in 1986, there was an incredibly big Whammy loss, bigger than Cathy Singer's $31,408 loss. It has not been verified yet, but if it is true, then it would obviously debunk the myth that $31,408 was the largest amount of money ever lost to a Whammy on the show.
I've seen a loss (maybe the same) but it wasn't bigger- the loss was $30,518 (so about $900 less).
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I meant in a 1986 episode that has yet to resurface.
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I meant in a 1986 episode that has yet to resurface.
As to the OP: I think a good one to mention (most of us know better) is that the final round on TPiR is the showcase showdown.
ETA: Fair point, Palmer. Revised as such.
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I meant in a 1986 episode that has yet to resurface.
What would your source be on this?
My guess? The GSN boards, where, last I knew, Adam Kliest still had an account.
Mark, don't. For once, don't. The last thing I think a lot of us wanna see is another gslover hissy fit.
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I meant in a 1986 episode that has yet to resurface.
What would your source be on this?
My guess? The GSN boards, where, last I knew, Adam Kliest still had an account.
Mark, don't. For once, don't. The last thing I think a lot of us wanna see is another gslover hissy fit.
Which I am not even gonna think about doing this time.
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I meant in a 1986 episode that has yet to resurface.
What would your source be on this?
My guess? The GSN boards, where, last I knew, Adam Kliest still had an account.
Mark, don't. For once, don't. The last thing I think a lot of us wanna see is another gslover hissy fit.
Which I am not even gonna think about doing.
I hope.
Although maybe I am being a little harsh- you're taking your lumps a lot better.
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Replace "widely held beliefs" with "things not even other game show fans know" and you'll have my opinion on the value of this thread. But people love doing it, so just sit back and let them.
Speaking for myself, I took "widely held beliefs" to mean minutiae inside the community itself - I wasn't thinking about your casual game show fans out there who simply just watch and occasionally catch an episode or two here or there. Heck, someone new to GSN wouldn't even *know* there was ever a Star Wheel or that Dawson eventually left.
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One rather large misconception over the years (one that very much fits the title of this thread) was that Wheel of Fortune first used its five-and-a-vowel Bonus Round on Pat's first day (December 28, 1981), and it was pretty much stated as fact until Eric Paddon shared the December 18 show (http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=21176&st=0&p=254727&#entry254727) in January 2011.
The $10,000 Pyramid - the debut of the Big 7. I've heard it stated that it's thought to have started on Dec 23, 1974, the day the show changed time slots from 4 PM to 2 PM. It's even listed that way on wikicrapia.
IIRC, the source of that date was William A. Padron, who has proven over the years to be quite the expert on New York-era Pyramid (he supplied a good chunk of information about that era for Xanfan's site). Not saying your thoughts don't hold any merit, just wanted to point out the (again IIRC) source.
(And also, you said you hadn't seen the show in a while; who's to say it didn't debut while you weren't watching it?)
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Speaking for myself, I took "widely held beliefs" to mean minutiae inside the community itself - I wasn't thinking about your casual game show fans out there who simply just watch and occasionally catch an episode or two here or there. Heck, someone new to GSN wouldn't even *know* there was ever a Star Wheel or that Dawson eventually left.
Yeah, that's what I was going for. I'm sure we've all heard things about a particular game over the years that everybody seems to believe, but you know aren't correct. Just the little things that bug you, right? :)
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One rather large misconception over the years (one that very much fits the title of this thread) was that Wheel of Fortune first used its five-and-a-vowel Bonus Round on Pat's first day (December 28, 1981), and it was pretty much stated as fact until Eric Paddon shared the December 18 show (http://gameshow.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=21176&st=0&p=254727&#entry254727) in January 2011.
That was one I thought of, too.
Likewise, I don't think I had ever seen any acknowledgement of anyone filling in for Susan Stafford (although I could be wrong on the lack of acknowledgement). I found news sources verifying that Summer Bartholomew filled in at least twice, as did Cynthia Washington.
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Replace "widely held beliefs" with "things not even other game show fans know" and you'll have my opinion on the value of this thread. But people love doing it, so just sit back and let them.
Amen.
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Getting this thread back on topic, I hate it when people refer to the last round of TPiR as the "Showcase Showdown."
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If we're going for well-known, widely-held misconceptions within our community, I guess you could point to Telephone Game on TPIR. For the first decade plus of ATGS and its successors, it was common knowledge that it was a three-prize quickie. When Roger finally dug up a couple of playings for us in 2004, it turned out to be a car game.
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CBS Tic Tac Dough did not cough up a tie-breaking toss-up question for a cat game except for the Kids Week they did once.
They put up a new board with new subjects and a carryover pot just like the Barry/Jackson/Elliott/Rayburn/Wendell/Caldwell/syndie Winker versions.
And of course this....
I think a good one to mention (most of us know better) is that the final round on TPiR is the showcase showdown.
Getting this thread back on topic, I hate it when people refer to the last round of TPiR as the "Showcase Showdown."
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I'm reading somewhere else about Fremantle's "corporate policy" against announcers appearing on camera when a certain emcee and a certain announcer were part of a certain show and had a dispute, which policy has magically evaporated since taking on a new emcee and different announcers. It's not a misconception due to fanb0i repetition, just a bald-faced lie.
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I'm reading somewhere else about Fremantle's "corporate policy" against announcers appearing on camera when a certain emcee and a certain announcer were part of a certain show and had a dispute, which policy has magically evaporated since taking on a new emcee and different announcers.
Rich Fields got camera time while Barker was still around, did he not? Looked like a Roddy-exclusive thing to me.
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I'm reading somewhere else about Fremantle's "corporate policy" against announcers appearing on camera when a certain emcee and a certain announcer were part of a certain show and had a dispute, which policy has magically evaporated since taking on a new emcee and different announcers.
Rich Fields got camera time while Barker was still around, did he not? Looked like a Roddy-exclusive thing to me.
I want to say he got an introduction at the beginning of his tenure, and that was about it. For some reason, I don't think he got anymore face time until Drew took over. Although, I also want to say Rich would still come on stage to greet the Showcase winner during the tail end of Bob's tenure.
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Rich would still come on stage to greet the Showcase winner during the tail end of Bob's tenure.
Correct, select!
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Rich would still come on stage to greet the Showcase winner during the tail end of Bob's tenure.
Correct, select!
Good...these things all blur together for me.
I'll take Game Show Scuttlebutt for $1200, please.
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Although, I also want to say Rich would still come on stage to greet the Showcase winner during the tail end of Bob's tenure.
What always got me about this was that Rod still did that, as well...but only after the credits started rolling.
"Hey, Rod, don't get up until the part of the show CBS doesn't bother airing."
A neat little logistical thing and a depressing story at the same time.
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Another common error that existed for some time is that when the infamous "Cuckoo, Friend and Ollie" incident took place on syndie MG, Bill Daily was the celeb writing the response "clock." Ira Skutch even prefaced a chapter in his memoir describing the incident saying it was Bill. This misperception was formed by the infinite playing of the clip of the incident which showed Bill's reaction because he was laughing the loudest, but the actual celeb the Star Wheel landed on was Robert Walden.
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Rich would still come on stage to greet the Showcase winner during the tail end of Bob's tenure.
Correct, select!
Good...these things all blur together for me.
I'll take Game Show Scuttlebutt for $1200, please.
Hey, I thought Netgames weren't allowed here. ;-)