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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: gsnstooge on December 16, 2003, 08:37:36 PM
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The reason why Jon Bauman was hired instead of Peter Marshall was probably the same reason why bluffs were not written and there were no regulars on The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour.
The reason there were no bluffs was that Mark Goodson believed game shows needed to focus on the game and not making jokes.
To me, with no bluffs and winning by default, the gameplay on Hollywood Squares goes faster.
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[quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Dec 16 2003, 08:37 PM\']
The reason there were no bluffs was that Mark Goodson believed game shows needed to focus on the game and not making jokes. [/quote]
He should of focused on getting a better host.
John
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[quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Dec 16 2003, 08:37 PM\'] The reason why Jon Bauman was hired instead of Peter Marshall was probably the same reason why bluffs were not written and there were no regulars on The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour.
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I thought Peter himself stated in his "Backstage with the original Hollywood Square" autobiography that he was under serious consideration to host the HS portion of the MGHS hour(whether or not he would have played the MG portion is unknown), but then it was decided to go with Bowzer at host. Marshall, like Bauman, played a couple of weeks of MG circa 1980.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Dec 17 2003, 10:39 AM\'] [quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Dec 16 2003, 08:37 PM\'] The reason why Jon Bauman was hired instead of Peter Marshall was probably the same reason why bluffs were not written and there were no regulars on The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour.
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I thought Peter himself stated in his "Backstage with the original Hollywood Square" autobiography that he was under serious consideration to host the HS portion of the MGHS hour(whether or not he would have played the MG portion is unknown), but then it was decided to go with Bowzer at host. Marshall, like Bauman, played a couple of weeks of MG circa 1980. [/quote]
If I remember SB and his words on the matter, Bauman was chosen because of the dreaded "attracting a younger demographic" explanation. Yeah it still feels like a stretch even in 1983 that Bowzer would be considered "hip." Other than that I always thought they wanted a MG player as HS host to pull the double duty. Still I don't remember Bauman being great shakes as a panelist on MG. And of course, Peter Marshall WAS A MG panelist on occasion, and even if they didn't want him for whatever reason, there were tons of great panelists who could double as a host.
Even with all that said, I am one who didn't mind Bauman as much as others.
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[quote name=\'JMFabiano\' date=\'Dec 17 2003, 11:53 AM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Dec 17 2003, 10:39 AM\'] [quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Dec 16 2003, 08:37 PM\'] The reason why Jon Bauman was hired instead of Peter Marshall was probably the same reason why bluffs were not written and there were no regulars on The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour.
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I thought Peter himself stated in his "Backstage with the original Hollywood Square" autobiography that he was under serious consideration to host the HS portion of the MGHS hour(whether or not he would have played the MG portion is unknown), but then it was decided to go with Bowzer at host. Marshall, like Bauman, played a couple of weeks of MG circa 1980. [/quote]
If I remember SB and his words on the matter, Bauman was chosen because of the dreaded "attracting a younger demographic" explanation. Yeah it still feels like a stretch even in 1983 that Bowzer would be considered "hip." Other than that I always thought they wanted a MG player as HS host to pull the double duty. Still I don't remember Bauman being great shakes as a panelist on MG. And of course, Peter Marshall WAS A MG panelist on occasion, and even if they didn't want him for whatever reason, there were tons of great panelists who could double as a host.
Even with all that said, I am one who didn't mind Bauman as much as others. [/quote]
Given that Marshall had just hosted the flop gamerietyramagogo Fantasy in the same time slot, perhaps NBC didn't want him associated with the new show.
Perhaps Peter's agent wanted more money than MGP was willing to pay. I have to think Bauman got less for Match Game-Hollywood Squares than Gene Rayburn did.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Dec 17 2003, 12:42 PM\'] gamerietyramagogo [/quote]
Anybody got any aspirin?
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[quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Dec 16 2003, 08:37 PM\']The reason there were no bluffs was that Mark Goodson believed game shows needed to focus on the game and not making jokes.[/quote]
That explains the 70s version of Match Game not at all.
I thought the main reason there were no written bluffs was that Goodson was worried about approaching the line of improper game show practices. Not to say that he was correct to worry, just that I thought that was his reasoning.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Dec 17 2003, 02:32 PM\'][quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Dec 16 2003, 08:37 PM\']The reason there were no bluffs was that Mark Goodson believed game shows needed to focus on the game and not making jokes.[/quote]
That explains the 70s version of Match Game not at all.
I thought the main reason there were no written bluffs was that Goodson was worried about approaching the line of improper game show practices. Not to say that he was correct to worry, just that I thought that was his reasoning.[/quote]
Purely and simply, Goodson didn't like feeding jokes to the panelists. He always boasted that "MG" was a 100 percent ad lib show--and since he was adverse to feeding *anything* to the panelists, they made all of the questions multiple choice or true-false, so they wouldn't look too stupid (which is the reason "Squares" briefed in the first place, so that the panelists were less likely to be embarrassed).
Of course, there was the "gambiting" on the panel shows back in the 50s, but that was feeding misinformation to a comedian who wanted to go for the laughs and let Arlene/Dorothy/Bill/Joanie do the heavy-duty game playing.
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Even with all that said, I am one who didn't mind Bauman as much as others.
Ditto. I liked him as a host, and I think he would've fit in nicely had he gotten more time.
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Dec 17 2003, 05:44 PM\']
Even with all that said, I am one who didn't mind Bauman as much as others.
Ditto. I liked him as a host, and I think he would've fit in nicely had he gotten more time. [/quote]
Bauman might not be an awful choice to host a Name that Tune revival. If one ever were to happen(with a live band, not with music videos being shown), they could do worse than to use him as a host. He's been a rock and roll guy of sorts for some 35 years now, and a new NTT would probably focus more on rock era tunes and less on standards. He fit in OK for the Pop N ROcker Game in 1983-84, which had musical performances from artists of the era(Culture Club, Oingo Boingo, Irene Cara, etc.), and had questions about then-recent pop and rock music.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Dec 17 2003, 01:32 PM\'] [quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Dec 16 2003, 08:37 PM\']The reason there were no bluffs was that Mark Goodson believed game shows needed to focus on the game and not making jokes.[/quote]
That explains the 70s version of Match Game not at all. [/quote]
Keep in mind that MG as it aired for the first time in 1973 didn't have the jokes that we're familiar with. I didn't pay close attention, but I imagine they got more games in before they made that change.
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I remember SB and his words on the matter, Bauman was chosen because of the dreaded "attracting a younger demographic" explanation.
And you believed him? This is another example of the nutty Perfesser turning speculation into fact (I very much doubt the Perfesser ever had a conversation with Goodson or Jake Tauber about it). If they were concerned about young demos then why would they have a sixty-something Gene Rayburn as the MG emcee? Or why would Goodson continue to use a 200-year-old Kitty Carlisle on TTTT '90? In 1983 demos weren't the obsession they are today, least of all with Mark Goodson. Bobby Sherman liked Jon Bauman as a P+ and MG player, but why they would deem him superior to Peter Marshall as a HS emcee is a mystery.
I had a conversation with Roger Peterson during the run of MG/HS. At the time a lot of people in the company knew Goodson was blowing it by not supplying joke bluffs and by booking a bunch of "nobody" panelists. Roger's idea was to use Betsy Palmer as a panelist. Okee ...
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Prior to MGHS and PnRG, did Jon ever do a show with out the Bowzer regalia? Now I'm not saying he should have hosted as Bowzer, but that was his claim to fame, it's like Clayton Moore hosting a show with out a mask.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 18 2003, 01:24 PM\'] Prior to MGHS and PnRG, did Jon ever do a show with out the Bowzer regalia? [/quote]
Not that I can think of, but I believe at least a few of his P+ appearances were as Jon "Bowzer" Bauman, and I KNOW that Allen referred to him as "Jon" many times on the show.
Besides, Sha Na Na wasn't all THAT obscure a phenomenon in the 70's, and I think even in 1983, even THEY were still well-remembered (if not well-known) enough that the second Bauman opened his mouth they would know who he was. To borrow your analogy, it's not like you CAN put a mask on Gilbert Gottfried... :)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Dec 18 2003, 02:56 PM\']
I remember SB and his words on the matter, Bauman was chosen because of the dreaded "attracting a younger demographic" explanation.
And you believed him? This is another example of the nutty Perfesser turning speculation into fact (I very much doubt the Perfesser ever had a conversation with Goodson or Jake Tauber about it). If they were concerned about young demos then why would they have a sixty-something Gene Rayburn as the MG emcee? Or why would Goodson continue to use a 200-year-old Kitty Carlisle on TTTT '90? In 1983 demos weren't the obsession they are today, least of all with Mark Goodson. Bobby Sherman liked Jon Bauman as a P+ and MG player, but why they would deem him superior to Peter Marshall as a HS emcee is a mystery.
I had a conversation with Roger Peterson during the run of MG/HS. At the time a lot of people in the company knew Goodson was blowing it by not supplying joke bluffs and by booking a bunch of "nobody" panelists. Roger's idea was to use Betsy Palmer as a panelist. Okee ... [/quote]
So, in other words...SB...IFOS?????? ;-)
And yeah, Bauman was not a bad game player as a panelist. Even in Bowzer get-up. Still, when you think of "host-o-genic" males who were great MG panelists, I would still be surprised to see him top someone's list. Even though I didn't find him as annoying as a lot of others do. (Somewhere between Pat Bullard and Ray Combs...you figure it out)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Dec 18 2003, 04:06 PM\'] [quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 18 2003, 01:24 PM\'] Prior to MGHS and PnRG, did Jon ever do a show with out the Bowzer regalia? [/quote]
Not that I can think of, but I believe at least a few of his P+ appearances were as Jon "Bowzer" Bauman, and I KNOW that Allen referred to him as "Jon" many times on the show.
Besides, Sha Na Na wasn't all THAT obscure a phenomenon in the 70's, and I think even in 1983, even THEY were still well-remembered (if not well-known) enough that the second Bauman opened his mouth they would know who he was. To borrow your analogy, it's not like you CAN put a mask on Gilbert Gottfried... :) [/quote]
Did Jon ever do the arm gesture on MG/HSq...the one that where he turned to the right and made a muscle?
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Sometimes I wonder if I didn't give Jon a chance because back in the '70's there usually would be a great prime access game show every night at 7:30. Except on the one night "Sha Na Na" was on........
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Dec 18 2003, 11:23 PM\'] Did Jon ever do the arm gesture on MG/HSq...the one that where he turned to the right and made a muscle? [/quote]
Indeed he did... I don't recall whether it's in any of the episodes on the trading circuit, but I remember seeing him make that gesture at least a few times during the show's original run.
- David
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Dec 18 2003, 01:18 PM\'][quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Dec 17 2003, 01:32 PM\'] [quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Dec 16 2003, 08:37 PM\']The reason there were no bluffs was that Mark Goodson believed game shows needed to focus on the game and not making jokes.[/quote]
That explains the 70s version of Match Game not at all. [/quote]
Keep in mind that MG as it aired for the first time in 1973 didn't have the jokes that we're familiar with.[/quote]
True, but it's not as though Mark Goodson couldn't have said "cut out all that joking around" in 1974, or 1975, or 1976 . . .
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Did Jon ever do the arm gesture on MG/HSq...the one that where he turned to the right and made a muscle?
I can assume so. I know on one popular circuit ep. with Arsenio Hall, Arsenio does the open to "Blue Moon" and the arm gesture when he reveals an answer. So Jon followed suit on a later question.
-Jason
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Chuck Woolery said on the last episode of the original Scrabble: "Get a new host, it will be a hit! Look what happened to Wheel!"
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If Peter Marshall, the bluffs, and not winning by default were in the HS segment, at least one way in the format of the hour would have been cheaper, like the Super Match probably could not have had a maximum $30,000.
Also, the "You FOOL!" episode is a reason why I think no bluffs and winning by default makes the HS gameplay faster.
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[quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Feb 1 2004, 04:10 PM\']
Also, the "You FOOL!" episode is a reason why I think no bluffs and winning by default makes the HS gameplay faster. [/quote]
It does make the game faster, but most people here didn't like the win by default rule on MGHS's Squares segment. Gilbert didn't hold the record for most consecutive questions asked on HS in the infamous 1999 episode, as we reported on Usenet when the "You Fool" episode first aired that McLean Stevenson went through about a dozen questions in a 70s episode of Marshall HS(not aired on GSN)until someone finally agreed/disagreed correctly for the win.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Dec 19 2003, 05:03 AM\']True, but it's not as though Mark Goodson couldn't have said "cut out all that joking around" in 1974, or 1975, or 1976 . . .[/quote]
Mark could certainly have said that... in fact, according to Gene Rayburn, he initially balked at the silliness that was creeping its way into the questions. But Gene helped Mark realize that the show would work and in fact take off that way.
As for Jon, I don't think he looks too fondly on his tenure as a game show host. I got to teach his daughter her senior year, and when he came in for the regularly scheduled parent conference, he said, "[My daughter] says you remember the Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour... no one remembers the Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour!"
Oh, how wrong he was...
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Also, the "You FOOL!" episode is a reason why I think no bluffs and winning by default makes the HS gameplay faster.
It may have made the game faster, but it would have denied us that episode. I think that episode (origianally aired Oct 1, 1999) was the funniest episode of the entire current run of "Hollywood Sqaures". It's probably in my top 10 or 20 favorite game show episodes of all time (hey...there's an idea for another thread!!)
I only hope one day we can see that McLean Stevenson run again.
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[quote name=\'davidhammett\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 01:08 AM\']
As for Jon, I don't think he looks too fondly on his tenure as a game show host. I got to teach his daughter her senior year, and when he came in for the regularly scheduled parent conference, he said, "[My daughter] says you remember the Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour... no one remembers the Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour!"
Oh, how wrong he was... [/quote]
I wonder how he feels about his hosting of the G-d-awful Pop and ROcker Game that same season... Fewer people probably remember that than they do MGHS.
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I wonder how he feels about his hosting of the G-d-awful Pop and ROcker Game that same season... Fewer people probably remember that than they do MGHS.
I didn't think it was that bad - but I loved the pop music from the '80s, so it probably clouded my judgement!!
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Since this MG/HS Hour topic has come up again, I have a question that maybe someone can answer. I recently saw a press photo for the show and there were 3 contestant podiums visible during the MG round. There were 3 contestants behind each one of them, was one of the people the returning champ just sitting, watching and waiting for the Squares portion? Or did they actually try and play with 3 players? Help?
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 10:46 AM\'] Since this MG/HS Hour topic has come up again, I have a question that maybe someone can answer. I recently saw a press photo for the show and there were 3 contestant podiums visible during the MG round. There were 3 contestants behind each one of them, was one of the people the returning champ just sitting, watching and waiting for the Squares portion? Or did they actually try and play with 3 players? Help? [/quote]
The series always had two players playing MG. UNless there was a pilot done that used three players, maybe Chris C. or Randy West would know.
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 08:46 AM\'] Since this MG/HS Hour topic has come up again, I have a question that maybe someone can answer. I recently saw a press photo for the show and there were 3 contestant podiums visible during the MG round. There were 3 contestants behind each one of them, was one of the people the returning champ just sitting, watching and waiting for the Squares portion? Or did they actually try and play with 3 players? Help? [/quote]
I'm thinking that you didn't look at that press photo too terribly clearly and you are mistaking the podium the question board sits on for a third podium. Far as I know you never saw hide nor hair of the defending champion until you saw them sitting in the "X" position on HS.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 10:22 AM\'] I'm thinking that you didn't look at that press photo too terribly clearly and you are mistaking the podium the question board sits on for a third podium. [/quote]
Nope, I just looked at it again and what I said still remains. There are 3 contestants sitting side by side with 3 podiums, and the questions are off to the side as usual.
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 09:39 AM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 10:22 AM\'] I'm thinking that you didn't look at that press photo too terribly clearly and you are mistaking the podium the question board sits on for a third podium. [/quote]
Nope, I just looked at it again and what I said still remains. There are 3 contestants sitting side by side with 3 podiums, and the questions are off to the side as usual. [/quote]
Kooky. Then I defer. I have no idea what the deal with that is.
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NO!!!! Seeing the rapping dragon and hearing Patrick Wayne saying "YOU WIN!!" and "IS RIGHT!!!" on TTD '90 is much better and safer to me than the "YOU FOOL" episode.
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 12:39 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 10:22 AM\'] I'm thinking that you didn't look at that press photo too terribly clearly and you are mistaking the podium the question board sits on for a third podium. [/quote]
Nope, I just looked at it again and what I said still remains. There are 3 contestants sitting side by side with 3 podiums, and the questions are off to the side as usual. [/quote]
Could you get around to posting the picture? I'd love to see this.
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Feb 2 2004, 02:13 PM\'] Could you get around to posting the picture? I'd love to see this. [/quote]
I'll see what I can do, since I don't have a scanner or a website!
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 1 2004, 11:10 PM\'] [quote name=\'gsnstooge\' date=\'Feb 1 2004, 04:10 PM\']
Also, the "You FOOL!" episode is a reason why I think no bluffs and winning by default makes the HS gameplay faster. [/quote]
It does make the game faster, but most people here didn't like the win by default rule on MGHS's Squares segment. Gilbert didn't hold the record for most consecutive questions asked on HS in the infamous 1999 episode, as we reported on Usenet when the "You Fool" episode first aired that McLean Stevenson went through about a dozen questions in a 70s episode of Marshall HS(not aired on GSN)until someone finally agreed/disagreed correctly for the win. [/quote]
Many people did not like the win by default even if it meant faster gameplay?
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Many people did not like the win by default even if it meant faster gameplay?
The only reason they wanted to speed up gameplay was to fit as many games as possible into the HS segment, which didn't make much sense...on the Marshall nighttime version, they'd usually get up to 5 or 6 games before time ran out, so I don't see why they needed to sacrifice the "earn the final square yourself" rule.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Would an MG-HS hybrid work if the object would be to present an MG question to nine stars, have everybody (including the contestants) write down their responses and have the players try to find three stars in a row with whom they matched? If there is no match, turn goes to the other player (who may have the same answer, the trick would be to find a tic-tac-toe) New question for the celebs that are left if no tic-tac-toe happens. Best two out of three plays the Super Match.
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[quote name=\'ChuckNet\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 11:27 AM\']
Many people did not like the win by default even if it meant faster gameplay?
The only reason they wanted to speed up gameplay was to fit as many games as possible into the HS segment, which didn't make much sense...on the Marshall nighttime version, they'd usually get up to 5 or 6 games before time ran out, so I don't see why they needed to sacrifice the "earn the final square yourself" rule.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby") [/quote]
On the NBC primetime version, there was no bonus round. On the hybrid, there was Super Match.
If you were FORCED to pick one on the hybrid, which would it be?
No bluffs and winning by default OR No Super Match, thus no bonus round?