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Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: The Pyramids on March 23, 2013, 12:31:09 PM

Given the enduring popularity of \'Wheel of Fourtune\' and \'Jepopardy!\' is there a reason why the two shows have not been a more integral part of GSN\'s lineup over the years? 


Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on March 23, 2013, 12:44:27 PM
Given the enduring popularity of \'Wheel of Fourtune\' and \'Jepopardy!\' is there a reason why the two shows have not been a more integral part of GSN\'s lineup over the years? 



Jeopardy was on the schedule for the first ~16 years of the network\'s life, and occasionally since. Wheel\'s been on the schedule more often than it\'s been off.  More than likely, it\'s the same reason that virtually any show doesn\'t air on virtually any network: return on investment. Someone has decided that the ratings (and thus, ad revenue) that broadcasting the shows would bring in isn\'t worth the cost to lease the episodes.


For the most recent period that J! was on the schedule, it\'s ratings ranged from decent to poor, with the show consistently losing ratings from it\'s lead-in (Super Password).  The numbers were such that they replaced it with reruns of Woolery\'s version of Lingo, which had been off the schedule for a while.  

Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: Jimmy Owen on March 23, 2013, 12:59:03 PM

Don\'t we get enough WOF and J! on regular TV? 


Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: Kevin Prather on March 23, 2013, 04:39:38 PM
Don\'t we get enough WOF and J! on regular TV? 

2/10. You can do better than that.

Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: tvmitch on March 24, 2013, 09:10:27 PM

I have thought about this, but hadn\'t thought about the cost to lease the WoF and J! back catalog, which is probably precisely the reason it\'s not happening right now.

Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: chad1m on March 24, 2013, 10:39:24 PM

I think it\'s relevant to the discussion, so for those not aware, the last time Wheel of Fortune was on the GSN schedule was a one-off Black Friday marathon in November 2010 of episodes from 2005-07. It did fairly well, popping a near-700,000 viewer rating for a mid-afternoon episode.


Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: Kevin Prather on March 25, 2013, 05:37:54 AM
I think it\'s relevant to the discussion, so for those not aware, the last time Wheel of Fortune was on the GSN schedule was a one-off Black Friday marathon in November 2010 of episodes from 2005-07. It did fairly well, popping a near-700,000 viewer rating for a mid-afternoon episode.

Weren\'t WoF episodes from the 90s airing on GSN right about this time, or was that earlier?


Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: snowpeck on March 25, 2013, 05:56:42 AM

The 1994-1995 season was on sometime in the 2007-2008 range.  There\'s always a lot of talk about how GSN used to have full access to the Sony library, but GSN\'s scheduling habits from the past seem to indicate otherwise, at least in some cases. There was never more than two seasons of Wheel on the schedule at a time and the same seasons would repeat ad nauseum, even in GSN\'s early days. Anybody who had GSN when they were running 1992-1993 can attest to that. And if I remember correctly, they only had one season each of Tic Tac Dough and The Joker\'s Wild at a time, which would change yearly (meaning a season would run once, then rerun a while before a new season would come in.)


Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: chad1m on March 25, 2013, 06:03:55 AM
Weren\'t WoF episodes from the 90s airing on GSN right about this time, or was that earlier?

They were gone by January of that year, so episodes had been absent for nearly a year.

Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: Johnissoevil on March 25, 2013, 11:06:24 PM
The 1994-1995 season was on sometime in the 2007-2008 range.  There\'s always a lot of talk about how GSN used to have full access to the Sony library, but GSN\'s scheduling habits from the past seem to indicate otherwise, at least in some cases. There was never more than two seasons of Wheel on the schedule at a time and the same seasons would repeat ad nauseum, even in GSN\'s early days. Anybody who had GSN when they were running 1992-1993 can attest to that. And if I remember correctly, they only had one season each of Tic Tac Dough and The Joker\'s Wild at a time, which would change yearly (meaning a season would run once, then rerun a while before a new season would come in.)

 


GSN did have full access to the Sony-owned shows back when Sony fully owned the network.  That changed when Liberty (now DirecTV) purchased a stake in the network in 2000.  During the October 1997-April 1998 period (no longer using that all too famous nickname, as that time was anything but), when they didn\'t have the Goodson-Todman shows, everything on the schedule was Sony-owned, save for Feud \'94 and Price.

Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: jage on March 28, 2013, 11:50:28 PM

Interesting how their library has shrunk over time. I\'m hard pressed to think of much of anything they own outright these days outside of their originals. Bring back reruns of the Inquisition? Seriously, I\'m surprised they haven\'t rerun something like Grand Slam on a Sunday or some other time. It has some recognizable faces and many people probably never saw them the first time. That\'s one I\'d watch again, Youtube posts aside, even though I know who won.


Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: PYLdude on March 29, 2013, 02:00:31 AM

Honestly, I\'d even like to see them make a run at something from the \'90s...even the Patrick Wayne sho...I mean TTD 90.


Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on March 30, 2013, 01:33:57 PM
GSN did have full access to the Sony-owned shows back when Sony fully owned the network.

 


[citation needed]. And by citation, I mean something other than \"It\'s something folks always assumed was true.\"  I even promoted this one myself once upon a time, but under scrutiny it doesn\'t hold up.


Just looking at what GSN\'s actually aired in the 90s and very early 00s:


The asking price might have been significantly lower through some sort of corporate sibling sweetheart deal - or else network brass just decided to spent more of the money on Sony series in the past.


 


There isn\'t one iota of evidence (other than long-held opinion) that I\'m aware of to suggest GSN has ever had outright carte blanche access to the Sony back catalog.   People probably just started noticing the situation as the leases got noticeably shorter in content and for longer duration around the turn of the previous decade (right around the time Rich Cronin and Bob Boden came in).


Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: clemon79 on March 30, 2013, 01:49:55 PM
after the block logo had already debuted (early \'97?).
Which block logo are you referring to here? \'Cuz I didn\'t have GSN until the last third of \'98, and I *know* when I first had it it was still swirly-ball-Transformers-into-WoF-letters. (Unless that\'s what you\'re referring to.)
Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: Jimmy Owen on March 30, 2013, 02:09:37 PM

You can only convert 2 inch videotapes to the digibeta format so fast.


 


/is digibeta still in use?


Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: Chelsea Thrasher on March 30, 2013, 03:13:06 PM
Which block logo are you referring to here? \'Cuz I didn\'t have GSN until the last third of \'98, and I *know* when I first had it it was still swirly-ball-Transformers-into-WoF-letters. (Unless that\'s what you\'re referring to.)

I\'m talking about the logo itself, not the accompanying graphics, etc.  \"Black WoF block letters with the green ball,\". This logo.   GSN switched from Winnie to the first graphics package to use that logo either in the very tail end of \'96 or the beginning of \'97, and at around that time frame, the channel was back to running shows from Wheel and J! season 1 again.


Title: Sony shows on GSN
Post by: clemon79 on March 30, 2013, 03:36:18 PM
I\'m talking about the logo itself, not the accompanying graphics, etc.

Ah, ok. I thought you were referring to either the square with \"gsn\" at the bottom of it, or the nine-square one we see now. You make total sense.