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Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on April 19, 2013, 01:06:41 AM

With the news of a WLOD revival on the way, here\'s something I\'d like to bring up, regarding the classic version.


 


The classic version ran for 3 years from 1987 to 1990 (1987-1989 on NBC, and 1987-1990 in Syndication). Most of the time, it was taped at CBS Television City, and used studios 31, 33, and 43. Here are some pictures. The first two are from 1987, and the last one is from 1988. The first one is from studio 33 (I knew by the steps in front of the audience), not sure about the other two.


 


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Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: dmota104 on April 21, 2013, 09:51:11 PM

About mid-way through the network run, the judge (or someone else) sounded a bell during the Speed Round to signify a player said the correct word or short phrase.


 


That bell is the one we commonly associate with TPiR or any other Goodson(-Todman) production from the 1970s or 1980s that taped in Television City.


 


In layman\'s terms, a CBS bell was heard on an NBC show.

Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: Vahan_Nisanian on April 22, 2013, 09:28:17 AM

That doesn\'t answer my question.


Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: BrandonFG on April 22, 2013, 09:32:29 AM

Your original post doesn\'t really ask any questions. It just gives a history of the studios the show taped in...


Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: Argo on April 23, 2013, 10:10:44 PM

I will pose a question. This may have been asked before, but why was Gene and Bob announcing for this show at the same time? Was it a case of updated reruns such as TPIR when Rod would announce and they would have to replace the fee plugs after the fact, or was there some other reason?


 


Mark


Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: BrandonFG on April 23, 2013, 10:17:45 PM

Probably just availability. Dunno if Bob still anchored at the time, but that could\'ve been an issue; Gene had Super Password and eventually Feud, so there might\'ve been a point where he couldn\'t do three shows, even if two of them taped in the same studio or on the same lot. The 80s version of Pyramid never really had a consistent announcer either.


Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: SRIV94 on April 25, 2013, 11:19:44 AM
In layman\'s terms, a CBS bell was heard on an NBC show.

Didn\'t NBC also use that same bell (albeit a little more muted) on P+ and BLOCKBUSTERS?


 


And those shows taped in Burbank.

Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: JasonA1 on April 25, 2013, 12:15:04 PM
Didn\'t NBC also use that same bell (albeit a little more muted) on P+ and BLOCKBUSTERS?

No.

-Jason
Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: BrandonFG on April 25, 2013, 12:17:05 PM

CBS, as far as I know, used (a recording of) an actual bell set. NBC\'s sounded like the same key, but \"synthesized\". It reminds me of the tones you\'d maybe hear at a doctor\'s office or the airport.


Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: mystery7 on April 25, 2013, 02:13:46 PM

CBS\'s bell sounds like it was constructed from one of these toy xylo-piano hybrids.


 


NBC\'s bell seemed to change pitch from time to time: a little sharper on Chain Reaction and the first of Password Plus, a little flatter on Blockbusters, natural on other shows. Maybe they had more than one of the same kind.


Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: Don Howard on April 30, 2013, 01:52:28 PM
 The 80s version of Pyramid never really had a consistent announcer either.

 


Bob Clayton was irreplacable.

Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: Argo on May 01, 2013, 10:58:31 PM
Probably just availability. Dunno if Bob still anchored at the time, but that could\'ve been an issue; Gene had Super Password and eventually Feud, so there might\'ve been a point where he couldn\'t do three shows, even if two of them taped in the same studio or on the same lot. The 80s version of Pyramid never really had a consistent announcer either.

True, but I was mainly talking about how both of them would be heard on the same episode. Gene would do plugs and credits and Bob would do opening or whatever.

Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: PYLdude on May 02, 2013, 02:09:08 AM
But didn\'t the 80s Pyramid at least start with a consistent announcer? If I was to understand it correctly Jack Clark was there for a couple years to start.


Besides that, weren\'t there just a rotation of three afterward of Gilbert, Hilton, and O\'Donnell? Pretty sure Dean Goss didn\'t do any 80s episodes and Henry Polic II didn\'t announce until the Davidson eps.
Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: Adam Nedeff on May 02, 2013, 04:20:21 AM
Probably just availability. Dunno if Bob still anchored at the time, but that could\'ve been an issue; Gene had Super Password and eventually Feud, so there might\'ve been a point where he couldn\'t do three shows, even if two of them taped in the same studio or on the same lot. The 80s version of Pyramid never really had a consistent announcer either.

True, but I was mainly talking about how both of them would be heard on the same episode. Gene would do plugs and credits and Bob would do opening or whatever.


Oh, if you\'re talking about the syndicated version, there\'s an easy answer there: the plugs were done wayyyyyy later in post-production. Tom Kennedy\'s nighttime TPIR had a slew of episodes with two different announcers, and I finally got my hands on a studio master tape. The show ends with \"Contestants not appearing on stage will receive...\" and then a full minute of nothing but a static shot of the logo. So presumably, Bob was there for the actual taping, and then when they had their ducks in a row with suppliers and the day came that they recorded the fee plugs, Bob wasn\'t available for whatever reason, so Gene came in.

Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: BrandonFG on May 02, 2013, 09:09:00 AM
Probably just availability. Dunno if Bob still anchored at the time, but that could\'ve been an issue; Gene had Super Password and eventually Feud, so there might\'ve been a point where he couldn\'t do three shows, even if two of them taped in the same studio or on the same lot. The 80s version of Pyramid never really had a consistent announcer either.

True, but I was mainly talking about how both of them would be heard on the same episode. Gene would do plugs and credits and Bob would do opening or whatever.


Ahhh gotcha. In that case, see Adam\'s explanation. :-) I wanna say some Barry-Enright shows would do the same thing in the early-80s.


 


And Chris, I think you\'re right...it was Jack Clark at first on Pyramid. For some reason, I thought Dean Goss did the 80s $100K.

Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: davemackey on May 02, 2013, 10:23:43 AM

Jack Clark was the first announcer on the CBS Pyramid in the 80\'s, and it was mostly Johnny Gilbert on the syndicated shows, but it seemed like there wasn\'t an announcer in Hollywood who DIDN\'T do Pyramid at one time. If you add in the many New York voices, Pyramid has had probably more announcers than any other game show: Bob Clayton, Fred Foy, Steve O\'Brien, Dick Heatherton, Ed Jordan, Scott Vincent, John Causier, Alan Kalter, Jack Clark, Johnny Gilbert, Charlie O\'Donnell, Bob Hilton, Rod Roddy, Dean Goss, Charlie Tuna, Jerry Bishop, Henry Polic II, John Cramer, J.D. Roberto. I think I got em all.


Title: Win Lose or Draw at CBS Television City
Post by: TimK2003 on May 02, 2013, 01:36:30 PM

Probably just availability. Dunno if Bob still anchored at the time, but that could\'ve been an issue; Gene had Super Password and eventually Feud, so there might\'ve been a point where he couldn\'t do three shows, even if two of them taped in the same studio or on the same lot. The 80s version of Pyramid never really had a consistent announcer either.

True, but I was mainly talking about how both of them would be heard on the same episode. Gene would do plugs and credits and Bob would do opening or whatever.



Oh, if you\'re talking about the syndicated version, there\'s an easy answer there: the plugs were done wayyyyyy later in post-production. Tom Kennedy\'s nighttime TPIR had a slew of episodes with two different announcers, and I finally got my hands on a studio master tape. The show ends with \"Contestants not appearing on stage will receive...\" and then a full minute of nothing but a static shot of the logo. So presumably, Bob was there for the actual taping, and then when they had their ducks in a row with suppliers and the day came that they recorded the fee plugs, Bob wasn\'t available for whatever reason, so Gene came in.


 


And in other cases, when episodes were rerun a second time (or more), they would sometimes insert a whole new set of promotional consideration plugs to replace the originals -- sometimes with a different announcer if the original one was not available.  A dead giveaway was when the theme used in the new plugs was slightly off pitch and by the time they went back to the original video, the music was off by a couple of seconds.