Tic Tac Dough returned to TV with a vengeance 35 years ago yesterday (July 3, 1978) over the CBS network. But of course, it would enjoy its greatest success in syndication that same year.
Cordially,
Tammy
A vengeance? Really? I mean, sure, the syndicated version absolutely was a great success, having an eight season run but since we are talking about the \"new\" version that debuted on CBS on July 3, that particular run has to be considered an absolute failure, not even surviving the typical minimum 13 weeks. If Barry/Enright hadn\'t already secured the stations for the syndicated version prior to the CBS premiere, I truly believe that the Winker version of TTD would have come and gone from television in a flash, never to be seen again after the CBS cancellation and virtually forgotten by everyone except the true diehards like us....
JakeT
I was always under the impression that both were planned from the outset to run concurrently, only the CBS version was a massive flop (as noted) and was quickly cancelled.
I was always under the impression that both were planned from the outset to run concurrently, only the CBS version was a massive flop (as noted) and was quickly cancelled.
I always thought the CBS version was the springboard for the syndie version. Sure both got started in 1978, but PYLDude did say that the CBS version may\'ve been a \"placeholder\"(shows that usually last shorter than the standard 13 week threshold) or at least that\'s what he was inquiring about. Not saying it was true or even speculating, just curious as to what show TTD \"replaced\" at the time it debuted.
I always thought the CBS version was the springboard for the syndie version. Sure both got started in 1978, but PYLDude did say that the CBS version may\'ve been a \"placeholder\"(shows that usually last shorter than the standard 13 week threshold) or at least that\'s what he was inquiring about. Not saying it was true or even speculating, just curious as to what show TTD \"replaced\" at the time it debuted.
It replaced \"Pass the Buck\" on the CBS daytime schedule, and was itself replaced by reruns of \"All In The Family\", moving from 3:30 p.m. to make room for \"M*A*S*H\" reruns.
NOTHING in TV is set up to be a short term series, especially when (and here\'s a hint kids) it gets replaced by sitcom reruns.
If CBS were happy with the results , for whatever reason, and the ratings were sustainable for profit, TTD would have survived longer than 8 weeks.
NOTHING in TV is set up to be a short term series, especially when (and here\'s a hint kids) it gets replaced by sitcom reruns.
If CBS were happy with the results , for whatever reason, and the ratings were sustainable for profit, TTD would have survived longer than 8 weeks.
EXACTLY! I have never understood how anyone could prescribe to this \"placeholder\" concept that has been mentioned in different situations over the years. If CBS was only concerned with having something to air in those eight weeks between the cancellation of \"PASS THE BUCK\" and the latest upcoming daytime morning run of \"ALL IN THE FAMILY\", I am certain they could have either gotten Bob Stewart to agree to tape an additional eight weeks of PTB episodes with the understanding that the show was still ultimately cancelled to cover the gap or, much more likely than not, renegotiate the agreement that placed \"ALL IN THE FAMILY\" back on the daytime morning schedule to begin airing on July 3rd rather than the previously agreed upon date of September 1, even if that meant AITF might have been in a rare-for-the day situation of having a double run during those eight weeks if M*A*S*H\'s premiere couldn\'t be moved up as well. And even if none of this were possible, CBS would have had MANY very affordable rerun options at their disposal to use as a \"placeholder\" that would have cost them so so much less than what they would have to pay for a brand-new original first-run program.
But, let\'s just say, for the sake of arguement, that the \"placeholder\" concept was actually true and CBS was willing to spend that kind of significant money to fill an early-morning time slot for a mere eight week period...why would a production company want to put the time, effort, talent and expense into creating a quality product that they know will be tossed aside in only a few short weeks, only to be replaced by sitcom reruns that were already airing on the daytime schedule but in a different time slot? I\'m sorry and I don\'t mean to come across as an ass about any of this but, come on, use the miinimum amount of logic necessary and see why none of this \"placeholder\" stuff would have made any sense to anyone involved...
JakeT
I was always under the impression that both were planned from the outset to run concurrently, only the CBS version was a massive flop (as noted) and was quickly cancelled.
I had it the other way around- that the syndicated series was all systems go but CBS decided to give the show a summer replacement shot and had no intention of picking it up for the fall.
According to Broadcasting, the CBS Tic Tac Dough was 25 out of 27 daytime shows with a 3.9 rating and a 21 share about the time it went off. I would characterize it as a flop.
I was always under the impression that both were planned from the outset to run concurrently, only the CBS version was a massive flop (as noted) and was quickly cancelled.
I had it the other way around- that the syndicated series was all systems go but CBS decided to give the show a summer replacement shot and had no intention of picking it up for the fall.
According to Broadcasting, the CBS Tic Tac Dough was 25 out of 27 daytime shows with a 3.9 rating and a 21 share about the time it went off. I would characterize it as a flop.
And I should clarify that I don\'t necessarily believe that the CBS run of TTD was a failure due to any fault of its own. By 1978, there were often so many affiliates choosing to air alternative programming (DONAHUE was a very popular option at that time) rather than the network programming, resulting in the network shows being viewed by a much smaller audience and thus receiving much lower ratings, giving them very little potential for success, regardless of their value or quality.
JakeT
I was always under the impression that both were planned from the outset to run concurrently, only the CBS version was a massive flop (as noted) and was quickly cancelled.
I had it the other way around- that the syndicated series was all systems go but CBS decided to give the show a summer replacement shot and had no intention of picking it up for the fall.
According to Broadcasting, the CBS Tic Tac Dough was 25 out of 27 daytime shows with a 3.9 rating and a 21 share about the time it went off. I would characterize it as a flop.
And I should clarify that I don\'t necessarily believe that the CBS run of TTD was a failure due to any fault of its own. By 1978, there were often so many affiliates choosing to air alternative programming (DONAHUE was a very popular option at that time) rather than the network programming, resulting in the network shows being viewed by a much smaller audience and thus receiving much lower ratings, giving them very little potential for success, regardless of their value or quality.
JakeT
Yeah, since the CBS version was nearly identical to the syndicated version, I would also attribute its failure to clearance problems and people on summer holidays instead of haning around the house watching TV.
I\'m sorry and I don\'t mean to come across as an ass about any of this but, come on, use the miinimum amount of logic necessary and see why none of this \"placeholder\" stuff would have made any sense to anyone involved...
Logic and reasoning? You must be new here. ;)I\'m sorry and I don\'t mean to come across as an ass about any of this but, come on, use the miinimum amount of logic necessary and see why none of this \"placeholder\" stuff would have made any sense to anyone involved...
Logic and reasoning?
I never saw that show. Was it a short-run Placeholder series on a network during Summer that my affiliate didn\'t clear?
On a tangentially related note, what was the last series to have daytime reruns aired on network television? I recall reading that one of the game shows that got axed by NBC in 1989 was replaced with reruns, but were there any past that?It replaced \"Pass the Buck\" on the CBS daytime schedule, and was itself replaced by reruns of \"All In The Family\", moving from 3:30 p.m. to make room for \"M*A*S*H\" reruns.
Are any episodes of the CBS \'TTD\' run on the trading circut, or did it ever air on GSN?
GSN has never aired it, but four episodes (in iffy quality) exist on the circuit.
FWIW, I don\'t buy any of this \"placeholder\" stuff either. It seems a belief by many people that shows like Blockbusters \'87 and Second Chance were just placeholders until Classic Concentration and The Better Sex, respectively, were ready.
Yeah, right...
Well, I think it\'s safe to assume that the return of $25,000 Pyramid in 1988 was just filler. This was because the Combs Feud wasn\'t ready yet after Blackout blacked out.
/See what I did there? :-P
GSN has never aired it, but four episodes (in iffy quality) exist on the circuit.
In fact, the first four are on the internets. This being #2 or 4
To answer Mark Odor\'s question:
The last series to have daytime reruns was none other than Full House, in the summer 1991. And the reruns of the ABC sitcom were, for some reason, on NBC. 1991 was also the same year they began syndicating it to local stations across America.
To answer Mark Odor\'s question:
The last series to have daytime reruns was none other than Full House, in the summer 1991. And the reruns of the ABC sitcom were, for some reason, on NBC. 1991 was also the same year they began syndicating it to local stations across America.
Nope - wrong answer.
The last series that had daytime reruns was \"Designing Women\", which ran during the 10am slot on CBS from May 1991 to June 1992, replaced on the CBS daytime schedule when \"Family Feud\" went to an hour to become \"Family Feud Challenge\".
When ABC canceled its soaps back in 2011-12 part of me was surprised that they didn\'t try a set of say, \"Modern Family\" reruns instead of \"Good Afternoon America\" or whatever they did when \"The Revolution\" was canceled.
To answer Mark Odor\'s question:
The last series to have daytime reruns was none other than Full House, in the summer 1991. And the reruns of the ABC sitcom were, for some reason, on NBC. 1991 was also the same year they began syndicating it to local stations across America.
Nope - wrong answer.
The last series that had daytime reruns was \"Designing Women\", which ran during the 10am slot on CBS from May 1991 to June 1992, replaced on the CBS daytime schedule when \"Family Feud\" went to an hour to become \"Family Feud Challenge\".
/Of course, not in Chicago. WBBM\'s acquisition of Maury Povich\'s show (back when he discussed things besides whether you were or were not the father) took the DW reruns off the air, and the first half hour of FFC never cleared. Very odd for an O&O to not run a network program.
Was WPVI (Philadelphia) an O&O in 1990? They didn\'t clear MG90......If so, another rare instance of an O&O not clearing a network show...
Well, I think it\'s safe to assume that the return of $25,000 Pyramid in 1988 was just filler. This was because the Combs Feud wasn\'t ready yet after Blackout blacked out.
/See what I did there? :-P
Not necessarily true...... IIRC, CBS had originally picked up Top Secret with Wink Martindale to replace Blackout (there was a board game released and everything), only to reverse course at the last minute and revive Pyramid due to strong viewer demand. Of course, it likely didn\'t hurt that $100K Pyramid was still taping at the time......
Tyshaun
By then it was. Wiki sez it didn\'t carry the full ABC daytime sked until 1997, when Disney bought the network and its O&Os.
That sounds about right. \"The View\" was the first show that caused WPVI to carry the entire 11am-noon ABC offering since the days of \"Laverne & Shirley\" and \"Family Feud\"...
Quite certain that wouldn\'t have flown considering ABC doesn\'t own the show and Fox had already negotiated the off-network syndie rights...
I think this sort of thing has always been true, unless a network owned a show outright. Back when Bewitched started daytime reruns on ABC in 1968, a TV Guide article at the time stated ABC paid $9 million for the daytime syndication rights, even though they also aired it in prime time. Just because ABC aired the show didn\'t mean they could just decide to rerun in daytime without negotiating something with ScreenGems first. I think most shows ended up on the same network in daytime as prime time because they didn\'t want another network getting revenues from a series they ran, and was associated with them. Probably by the time Full House joined daytime, NBC just outbid ABC - or maybe ABC wasn\'t interested in it.
Interesting, nonetheless.
Reruns of another network\'s show on NBC daytime were not unprecedented. \"Make Room for Daddy\" with Danny Thomas ran for five years on the daytime sked, while it was airing on CBS in prime time. The Jean Hagen episodes from the ABC run also aired on NBC. The Hagen episodes weren\'t included in the syndication packages.
Years ago, thanks to Chuck Donegan, I saw a morning of WABC taped from April 1980, which started near the end of the 10:00 (a.m.) movie, and lead into the daytime rerun of \"Laverne & Shirley\" and then \"Feud\". The L&S ep was a very bad quality print and had a very odd edit in the theme....Somewhere I remember hearing that at the time, it was common for the daytime rerun to be of bad quality. Any truth to this?
Years ago, thanks to Chuck Donegan, I saw a morning of WABC taped from April 1980, which started near the end of the 10:00 (a.m.) movie, and lead into the daytime rerun of \"Laverne & Shirley\" and then \"Feud\". The L&S ep was a very bad quality print and had a very odd edit in the theme....Somewhere I remember hearing that at the time, it was common for the daytime rerun to be of bad quality. Any truth to this?
On ABC, they always looked a little fuzzy. Happy Days and Love Boat as well.
Years ago, thanks to Chuck Donegan, I saw a morning of WABC taped from April 1980, which started near the end of the 10:00 (a.m.) movie, and lead into the daytime rerun of \"Laverne & Shirley\" and then \"Feud\". The L&S ep was a very bad quality print and had a very odd edit in the theme....Somewhere I remember hearing that at the time, it was common for the daytime rerun to be of bad quality. Any truth to this?
Correct me if I\'m wrong, but weren\'t there more commercials during the network daytime broadcast periods than in prime time? (I remember both CBS and ABC allowing 35 minutes in late night to air repeats of 30-minute prime time shows.) There would have to be cuts (similar to episodes in syndication) to fit the shows into the time slot.
Correct me if I\'m wrong, but weren\'t there more commercials during the network daytime broadcast periods than in prime time? (I remember both CBS and ABC allowing 35 minutes in late night to air repeats of 30-minute prime time shows.) There would have to be cuts (similar to episodes in syndication) to fit the shows into the time slot.
Yes, that\'s true. They were edited for daytime reruns.