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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Don Howard on December 27, 2003, 07:55:48 PM
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As a sequel to the popular Final Episode Mentions topic, are they any shows where the show continued yet the host was replaced where any mention of the switch was made? The most prominent examples, I guess, would be when Garry Moore left I've Got A Secret in the mid 1960s and To Tell The Truth in the mid 1970s and there was an official transition show. What others come to the minds of this panel?
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 07:55 PM\'] As a sequel to the popular Final Episode Mentions topic, are they any shows where the show continued yet the host was replaced where any mention of the switch was made? The most prominent examples, I guess, would be when Garry Moore left I've Got A Secret in the mid 1960s and To Tell The Truth in the mid 1970s and there was an official transition show. What others come to the minds of this panel? [/quote]
Richard Karn for Feud...when he walked onto the stage, he got a standing ovation. He didn't really mention being the host, per se, but you could tell the difference.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 07:55 PM\'] As a sequel to the popular Final Episode Mentions topic, are they any shows where the show continued yet the host was replaced where any mention of the switch was made? [/quote]
When WOolery left Wheel, he gave a long speech at the end of his last show and Sajak gave a shorter one at the beginning of his first. Sajak of course mentioned his leaving Daytime WOF on his last show on that gig, but Rolf mentioned it was his first show on the premiere but didn't do a goodbye for his last show.
When Geoff left USA CHain Reaction for the second half of season one, he made a brief mention of Blake taking over.
Wink didn't mention his leaving TTD on his last episode, but Jim mentioned on his premiere episode that "I'm your new host...."
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And there was no changing of the guard ceremony from Jack Kelly to Joe Garagiola on "$OTC"--Jack was there on Friday and all of a sudden Joe was standing in his place on Monday, with Bill Wendell identifying him as the new host.
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I've seen clips of Ralph Edwards introducing rookie host Bob Barker on "Truth or Consequences." Didn't Hugh Downs give the reins to Bob Clayton on camera?
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 06:09 PM\'] Wink didn't mention his leaving TTD on his last episode, but Jim mentioned on his premiere episode that "I'm your new host...." [/quote]
...and it was the one thing he got right for his entire run. ;)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 08:23 PM\']I've seen clips of Ralph Edwards introducing rookie host Bob Barker on "Truth or Consequences."[/quote]
Actually, Ralph's blessing was on the first NBC daytime episode. Jack Bailey and Steve Dunne had hosted "T or C" in unsuccessful prime time runs (and Edwards did one unsuccessful TV run in 1948) before Barker got the job that changed his life.
One of the weirder things about the 1987 revival is that Edwards' blessing of Larry Anderson (with him giving Anderson the replica of the original Beulah the Buzzer that he gave every "T or C" host--a tube that the person blew into instead of something electrical, like we would think) ran in the middle of the run, instead of the beginning. Considering that we were well into the era of satellite delivery of syndicated shows, one would think that the particular show would be the first one to air, or at the least during the first week.
Didn't Hugh Downs give the reins to Bob Clayton on camera?
Seems to me that Ed McMahon's stint on the show came between Hugh and Clayton getting the job for good. Clayton was still the announcer during Ed's stint.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 05:23 PM\'] Didn't Hugh Downs give the reins to Bob Clayton on camera? [/quote]
Yes he did, on the 1968 Christmas episode. Bob Clayton and Victor Borge both play the game dressed as Santa (their identities aren't revealed until the end), and Hugh passes the proverbial torch to Bob at the show's conclusion.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 07:09 PM\'] When WOolery left Wheel, he gave a long speech at the end of his last show and Sajak gave a shorter one at the beginning of his first. Sajak of course mentioned his leaving Daytime WOF on his last show on that gig, but Rolf mentioned it was his first show on the premiere but didn't do a goodbye for his last show.
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That being said, one could look at the credit roll for the final Rolf WoF and tell it was likely the last one--the NBC camera operators got screen credit (as they did on the final episodes of GO!, $otC, SP and SCRABBLE [84-90]).
I have this vague recollection of camera operators being a credit for at least one airing of CLASSIC CONCENTRATION (sometime in 1987 or 1988), but subsequent credit rolls didn't include them (I don't know if the last one did--I never saw the final week of CC).
BTW, was that final week ever rerun in September 1992, or did they just jump right back to 1987 with no advance warning?
Doug
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 10:15 PM\']
I have this vague recollection of camera operators being a credit for at least one airing of CLASSIC CONCENTRATION (sometime in 1987 or 1988), but subsequent credit rolls didn't include them (I don't know if the last one did--I never saw the final week of CC).
BTW, was that final week ever rerun in September 1992, or did they just jump right back to 1987 with no advance warning?
Doug [/quote]
They reran the finale in SUmmer 1992 IIRC. After that, they went to SUmmer 1990 in the reruns. A few months later, they jumped back to 1987-88. The August 1988-Summer 1990 shows with the two-out-of-three format were not repeated.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 08:09 PM\']
When Geoff left USA CHain Reaction for the second half of season one, he made a brief mention of Blake taking over.
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Actually, Blake was the FIRST host of Chain Reaction. Geoff told me that Canada had a rule that ONLY Canadian personalities could host Canadian game shows.
Blake's "hosting" was so horrid, Bob Stewart tried to find a loophole to replace Blake with Geoff. The Canadian TV "powers that be" made a compromise. Geoff got to host, but announcer Rod Chalabois would appear on camera at the beginning and end of the show (for the "Missing Link" puzzles), since he is Canadian.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 11:27 PM\']
Actually, Blake was the FIRST host of Chain Reaction. Geoff told me that Canada had a rule that ONLY Canadian personalities could host Canadian game shows.
Blake's "hosting" was so horrid, Bob Stewart tried to find a loophole to replace Blake with Geoff. The Canadian TV "powers that be" made a compromise. Geoff got to host, but announcer Rod Chalabois would appear on camera at the beginning and end of the show (for the "Missing Link" puzzles), since he is Canadian. [/quote]
Art James was able to host the US-syndicated, Canadian-taped SUper Pay Cards since Mary Lou Basaraba was a Canadian, and Michael Reagan was able to host the original Lingo, also done in Canada, since Dusty Martell is Canadian. Geoff wasn't the only non-Canadian to host a US-aired, Canadian-based show. Jim Perry is from NJ and hosted a short-lived US syndicated, Canadian-taped show, Money Makers, in the late 60s.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 07:55 PM\'] As a sequel to the popular Final Episode Mentions topic, are they any shows where the show continued yet the host was replaced where any mention of the switch was made? The most prominent examples, I guess, would be when Garry Moore left I've Got A Secret in the mid 1960s and To Tell The Truth in the mid 1970s and there was an official transition show. What others come to the minds of this panel? [/quote]
Why did Gary Moore leave these shows?
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[quote name=\'Card Shark\' date=\'Dec 28 2003, 09:39 AM\'] [quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 07:55 PM\'] As a sequel to the popular Final Episode Mentions topic, are they any shows where the show continued yet the host was replaced where any mention of the switch was made? The most prominent examples, I guess, would be when Garry Moore left I've Got A Secret in the mid 1960s and To Tell The Truth in the mid 1970s and there was an official transition show. What others come to the minds of this panel? [/quote]
Why did Gary Moore leave these shows? [/quote]
Wasn't the reason for leaving TTTT because he had throat surgery, or something to that effect?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Dec 28 2003, 01:00 PM\'] [quote name=\'Card Shark\' date=\'Dec 28 2003, 09:39 AM\'] [quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 07:55 PM\'] As a sequel to the popular Final Episode Mentions topic, are they any shows where the show continued yet the host was replaced where any mention of the switch was made? The most prominent examples, I guess, would be when Garry Moore left I've Got A Secret in the mid 1960s and To Tell The Truth in the mid 1970s and there was an official transition show. What others come to the minds of this panel? [/quote]
Why did Gary Moore leave these shows? [/quote]
Wasn't the reason for leaving TTTT because he had throat surgery, or something to that effect? [/quote]
Throat surgery prompted Moore's leave from the show in 1977; he decided to retire after recuperating, with Garagiola taking over permanently.
Moore left I've Got a Secret and his own variety show in 1964, claiming he was tired (and he was going on a one-year around-the-world cruise). He was back with a new variety show in 1966, but going up against Bonanza, it bombed.
I still have a theory that Moore, who was a member of Alcoholics Anonymous later in life (according to TTTT exec producer Gil Fates, who wrote about it in his What's My Line? book) that Moore took the time between 1964 and 1966 off to dry out, in which case it was time well spent.
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Actually, Blake was the FIRST host of Chain Reaction. Geoff told me that Canada had a rule that ONLY Canadian personalities could host Canadian game shows.
Blake's "hosting" was so horrid, Bob Stewart tried to find a loophole to replace Blake with Geoff. The Canadian TV "powers that be" made a compromise. Geoff got to host, but announcer Rod Chalabois would appear on camera at the beginning and end of the show (for the "Missing Link" puzzles), since he is Canadian.
Art James was able to host the US-syndicated, Canadian-taped SUper Pay Cards since Mary Lou Basaraba was a Canadian, and Michael Reagan was able to host the original Lingo, also done in Canada, since Dusty Martell is Canadian. Geoff wasn't the only non-Canadian to host a US-aired, Canadian-based show. Jim Perry is from NJ and hosted a short-lived US syndicated, Canadian-taped show, Money Makers, in the late 60s.
What about the Jack Narz / Gene Wood "Beat The Clock" from the 1970s (taped in Montreal from 1970 to 1974)? Or did that predate (or straddle) the rules?
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At one time I thought Gene Wood was Canadian because he also hosted "Anything You Can Do" (succeeded by Canadian Don "Charlie Farquarson" Harron.) Maybe the models were Canadian???
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 27 2003, 07:55 PM\'] As a sequel to the popular Final Episode Mentions topic, are they any shows where the show continued yet the host was replaced where any mention of the switch was made? [/quote]
One that hasn't been mentioned yet was during the 80s run of "The Newlywed Game" when maybe 3 or 4 months into one of the seasons (1986/87), Bob Eubanks passed the torch over to Paul Rodriguez.
Speaking of which, does anyone know the story of exactly why Bob left Newlywed Game midway into the seasons run and why the dramatic set changes?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Dec 28 2003, 08:09 PM\']
One that hasn't been mentioned yet was during the 80s run of "The Newlywed Game" when maybe 3 or 4 months into one of the seasons (1986/87), Bob Eubanks passed the torch over to Paul Rodriguez.
Speaking of which, does anyone know the story of exactly why Bob left Newlywed Game midway into the seasons run and why the dramatic set changes? [/quote]
It was the 1988-89 season he left during, and December 5th 1988 was the date on which Paul's first show aired. Bob reportedly left due to family committments and due to a new show he was supposed to host in Fall 1989(Celebrity Secrets, a syndicated remake of NBC's All-Star Secrets in 1979, both of which he co-produced with Michael Hill). The show did not sell. Some people think he left due to the changes introduced later in the show's run(the playing for dollars in the maingame instead of points, the "model of the week" who displayed the prizes, the set change that placed Eubanks between couples number two and three)
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Geoff wasn't the only non-Canadian to host a US-aired, Canadian-based show. Jim Perry is from NJ and hosted a short-lived US syndicated, Canadian-taped show, Money Makers, in the late 60s.
Ross Shafer was another American who hosted a Canadian-based GS, hence the presence of Marilyn Smith, a native Canuck, as hostess on Love Me, Love Me Not.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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What about when Richard Dawson returned to the Feud in 94?
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[quote name=\'Stevek83\' date=\'Dec 28 2003, 09:29 PM\'] What about when Richard Dawson returned to the Feud in 94? [/quote]
He gave a brief spiel about how it was nice to be back. Ray, on the other hand, gave two not-so-subtle hints about his last Feud episode on 5/27/94 being his last show. The second player gets five zeroes in Fast Money, and Ray jokes that it's a damn fine way to go out after six years, and he then walks off the set after his goodbye, leaving the winning family on the set alone.
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Thanks, but i thought his last show was in Fall '93. Thats what they said on the E! True Hollywood Story.
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That makes me curious. Was Ray Combs, directly or undirectly, mentioned anytime in Feud 94 ?
-Joe R.
OBTrio: DirecTV is not going to dump Trio afterall. Whoo-hoo !
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[quote name=\'Stevek83\' date=\'Dec 28 2003, 09:48 PM\'] Thanks, but i thought his last show was in Fall '93. Thats what they said on the E! True Hollywood Story. [/quote]
E! was off by a bit on that airdate.
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[quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'Dec 28 2003, 09:48 PM\'] That makes me curious. Was Ray Combs, directly or undirectly, mentioned anytime in Feud 94 ?
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Not that I recall. RIchard acted like the show hadn't been on the air in nine years during his 1994 tenure(and the returning champions from the previous season weren't even back until a month after the season began, as the second half of the hour long 1994-95 Feud shows had 4/5 of family teams from the original Feud returning to play again). Richard and Ray did co-host a Thanksgiving 1995 salute to Feud on GSN, but they didn't host their bits in the same studio IIRC. Richard's parts of it were rerun on Thanksgiving 2000 in an evening marathon.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Dec 28 2003, 09:54 PM\'] [quote name=\'JRaygor\' date=\'Dec 28 2003, 09:48 PM\'] That makes me curious. Was Ray Combs, directly or undirectly, mentioned anytime in Feud 94 ?
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Not that I recall. RIchard acted like the show hadn't been on the air in nine years during his 1994 tenure(and the returning champions from the previous season weren't even back until a month after the season began, as the second half of the hour long 1994-95 Feud shows had 4/5 of family teams from the original Feud returning to play again). Richard and Ray did co-host a Thanksgiving 1995 salute to Feud on GSN, but they didn't host their bits in the same studio IIRC. Richard's parts of it were rerun on Thanksgiving 2000 in an evening marathon. [/quote]
Ah, but apparently he might have been mentioned on one '94 episode...
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[quote name=\'Stevek83\' date=\'Dec 28 2003, 09:48 PM\'] Thanks, but i thought his last show was in Fall '93. Thats what they said on the E! True Hollywood Story. [/quote]
From what I remember from that special, they say that the final show of that season was taped in the fall of 1993 and they went on hiatus for several months. So, who the hell knows.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Dec 28 2003, 07:45 PM\']At one time I thought Gene Wood was Canadian because he also hosted "Anything You Can Do" (succeeded by Canadian Don "Charlie Farquarson" Harron.) Maybe the models were Canadian???[/quote]
Two of the three "BTC" models were Canadian. The one constant, Gail Sheldon, took the plane up to Montreal every taping session with Gene, Dick Hyman and the New York production staff--while Jack Narz and Stu Phelps (if neither Ira Skutch nor Paul Alter was directing) flew in from LA.
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Wow. Thanks for the replies. I wonder about a couple of others. Ralph Story replacing Sonny Fox on The $64,000 Challenge and whether or not Bob Hilton had any last words on his last hosting day of Let's Make A Deal.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Dec 29 2003, 04:27 PM\'] Wow. Thanks for the replies. I wonder about a couple of others. Ralph Story replacing Sonny Fox on The $64,000 Challenge and whether or not Bob Hilton had any last words on his last hosting day of Let's Make A Deal. [/quote]
Based on the clips I remember seeing on The American Experience: The Quiz Show Scandals, I'm not sure Sonny Fox was ever referred to again. As far as I can tell, Sonny was as inept a host as you'll ever see.
Fox had a history of being replaced partway through runs: The $64,000 Challenge, The Movie Game, and New York's Wonderama (not to mention an ill-fated stint running NBC's children's programming in 1977). The only shows I can recall him filling out the contract were Way Out Games and Let's Take a Trip.
Hilton may not have known the axe was being sharpened when he did his final taping. Anyone remember?
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Dec 29 2003, 05:55 PM\']
Fox had a history of being replaced partway through runs: The $64,000 Challenge, The Movie Game, and New York's Wonderama (not to mention an ill-fated stint running NBC's children's programming in 1977). The only shows I can recall him filling out the contract were Way Out Games and Let's Take a Trip.
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I'm pretty sure he filled out his stint as host of the short-lived 60s kids game On Your Mark also [he also produced it, making it more likely that he hosted the entire run]
I saw him host Way Out Games. OK show, terrible host.
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As for Let's Make a Deal, every 1990-91 episode with Monty Hall he's introduced as a guest host, and he said on the Today show at the time that he was just there temporarily. Were they looking for another host, planning to return to Bob Hilton, or just filling time? I mean at first.
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Since we've mentioned TTTT, how anout the 90s version?
"Here's your new host, taking over for the old new host who took over for the first host who took over for the guy who did the pilot, Alex Trebek!"
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' date=\'Dec 29 2003, 05:37 PM\']As for Let's Make a Deal, every 1990-91 episode with Monty Hall he's introduced as a guest host, and he said on the Today show at the time that he was just there temporarily. Were they looking for another host, planning to return to Bob Hilton, or just filling time? I mean at first.[/quote]
*Monty* wanted it to be temporary. Jackie Smith, the head of daytime programming at NBC who talked him into it, probably wanted it to be permanent. She kinda won.
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What about the $128,000 Question? IIRC, Mike Darrow hosted Season 1, and Alex Trebek came in for Season 2? Was there a voluntary torch passing, or because the show's switching production facilities across the US/CAN border required the change?
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[quote name=\'TimK2003\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 04:17 PM\'] What about the $128,000 Question? IIRC, Mike Darrow hosted Season 1, and Alex Trebek came in for Season 2? Was there a voluntary torch passing, or because the show's switching production facilities across the US/CAN border required the change? [/quote]
I believe Mike Darrow was from Canada. He could have made the trek if $128K Question producers wanted him to. Recall Darrow hosted the USA Jackpot, which taped in Toronto. If Darrow was not Canadian, they'd have to have an on-camera co host or announcer(why DUsty Martell was needed on Lingo, besides the eye candy factor, and why Rod Charlebois was on-camera for the USA Chain Reaction when Geoff hosted)
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I believe Mike Darrow was from Canada. He could have made the trek if $128K Question producers wanted him to.
Darrow is from Canada, he was born in Edmonton. I believe he was living in Toronto at the time of 1980s "Jackpot". I don't where he lives now.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Jan 3 2004, 01:09 PM\']
I believe Mike Darrow was from Canada. He could have made the trek if $128K Question producers wanted him to.
Darrow is from Canada, he was born in Edmonton. I believe he was living in Toronto at the time of 1980s "Jackpot". I don't where he lives now. [/quote]
He lives nowhere. He is deceased, having gone over the rainbow bridge in 1996, I believe.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jan 3 2004, 02:55 PM\'] [quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Jan 3 2004, 01:09 PM\']
I believe Mike Darrow was from Canada. He could have made the trek if $128K Question producers wanted him to.
Darrow is from Canada, he was born in Edmonton. I believe he was living in Toronto at the time of 1980s "Jackpot". I don't where he lives now. [/quote]
He lives nowhere. He is deceased, having gone over the rainbow bridge in 1996, I believe. [/quote]
Really? That's news to me.
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And I ask: Which one of you is RIGHT (R-I-G-H-T)?
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He's definitely passed on, as it was posted to ATGS some years back by a former friend of his...and not to nitpick, but the proper spelling of his surname was "Darow".
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")