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The Game Show Forum => Game Show Channels & Networks => Topic started by: GS Warehouse on January 01, 2004, 10:36:04 AM
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When today's Lingo marathon was first announced, it was supposed to be all 20 of the Netherlands-produced episodes. Now, the promos no longer say such and now include season 2 clips. I know this is being posted less than 3½ hours until the marathon starts, but does anyone have the 411 on what to expect?
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The blurb they flash on the bottom left of the screen said something like 20 1st Lingo for the 1st of 2004 (not sure about the wording) last night =)
j
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That would be nice for Season 1 AND Season 2 episodes in the mix.
But I heard it was only Season 2. Am I wrong?
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 12:20 PM\'] That would be nice for Season 1 AND Season 2 episodes in the mix.
But I heard it was only Season 2. Am I wrong? [/quote]
Yep, as it has already been established that they were going to show season one.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 02:44 PM\']
But I heard it was only Season 2. Am I wrong? [/QUOTE]
Yep, as it has already been established that they were going to show season one.
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The 20 Netherlands-produced first series of shows is what is airing, and one of the episodes shows how not to "approach" the spelling of five letter words.
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And Bonus Lingo had the following rules:
$100 cash for every word you got right, and that WAS added to your total, Win OR Lose.
If you got a Lingo on ANY of your draws, you got an additional $4000 prize package that included a Casio Pocket PC, an Argus Digital Camera, a Croton Watch, and a Borders Gift Card. (Pretty peppy prize package, I should say.)
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 07:38 PM\'] And Bonus Lingo had the following rules:
$100 cash for every word you got right, and that WAS added to your total, Win OR Lose.
If you got a Lingo on ANY of your draws, you got an additional $4000 prize package that included a Casio Pocket PC, an Argus Digital Camera, a Croton Watch, and a Borders Gift Card. (Pretty peppy prize package, I should say.) [/quote]
IIRC it took at least two balls to get a Lingo in the bonus. Also, the Croton Watch plugs have been taken out of the episodes this time around, as they were on the second season shows several months back.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 05:53 PM\'] IIRC it took at least two balls to get a Lingo in the bonus. Also, the Croton Watch plugs have been taken out of the episodes this time around, as they were on the second season shows several months back. [/quote]
It did. The pattern of the 12 marked off spots called for at least two and sometimes three or four spots to make Lingo.
And as I recall we valued the Argus digital camera as being worth around $100, so hold yer applause on that, although I suppose it beats a kick in the ass if you don't already have a digital camera. :)
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 07:53 PM\'] ... Also, the Croton Watch plugs have been taken out of the episodes this time around, as they were on the second season shows several months back. [/quote]
I noticed that, too. Did Croton go under or something?
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 08:11 PM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 07:53 PM\'] ... Also, the Croton Watch plugs have been taken out of the episodes this time around, as they were on the second season shows several months back. [/quote]
I noticed that, too. Did Croton go under or something? [/quote]
They probably were worried about somebody only getting one word and then not having a chance at getting a LINGO =)
j
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 07:38 PM\'] And Bonus Lingo had the following rules:
$100 cash for every word you got right, and that WAS added to your total, Win OR Lose.
If you got a Lingo on ANY of your draws, you got an additional $4000 prize package that included a Casio Pocket PC, an Argus Digital Camera, a Croton Watch, and a Borders Gift Card. (Pretty peppy prize package, I should say.) [/quote]
This first season of shows has the feeling of the "family pair" years of the USA Canuck-taped version of CHain Reaction.
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Ya know, I didn't know how cool this set looked until now. The season 1 set beats the hell out of the new Season 3 crappy set.
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 10:18 PM\'] Ya know, I didn't know how cool this set looked until now. The season 1 set beats the hell out of the new Season 3 crappy set. [/quote]
Ugh...the season 1 set looked horrible and cheap. It looked like it was done in a high school shop class. The second season was a tremendous step up, except I would've done without the string of light bulbs that looked like they belonged in a backyard barbeque.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 08:57 PM\'] It looked like it was done in a high school shop class. [/quote]
Or pulled out of a Dutch crack house.
I'm a newcomer to Lingo. The first season was done in Holland? So they flew Chuck and the players over there? I find that awfully hard to believe.
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 11:19 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 08:57 PM\'] It looked like it was done in a high school shop class. [/quote]
Or pulled out of a Dutch crack house.
I'm a newcomer to Lingo. The first season was done in Holland? So they flew Chuck and the players over there? I find that awfully hard to believe. [/quote]
They flew Chuck out there, but found the contestants already there. And remember, it was for only 20 episodes, so that's, I don't know... maybe a week's stay?
Brandon Brooks
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And another rule: No bonus letters.
And, I just saw a few episodes tonight, and found an interesting word: ESTER.
An ESTER is a compilation of fragrances, and Chuck mentioned that to all the Scrabble fans, too.
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jan 1 2004, 11:29 PM\']
They flew Chuck out there, but found the contestants already there. And remember, it was for only 20 episodes, so that's, I don't know... maybe a week's stay?
Brandon Brooks [/quote]
The contestant were Americans living in Holland at the time. THey probably did tape the episodes five a day for four weeks, so Chuck probably didn't have to be there for more than a week.
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So Lingo was already an established game in Europe, then? No need to go over there if not, right? Is "Lingo" an American-ization of a different name?
If it was already a European show, it's awfully hard to believe they used that awful set. Unless, as I said, it was a big hit in the Dutch crackhouses.
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I found the flow of this to be far better than season 3. It just seemed to work better. Although, season 2 is still the best by far, IMO.
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I agree with the previous post. It all just has to do with the look of the show for me. Season 1 looked like 20 crappy pilot shows. In Season 3, although the set is nice, the set just doesnt fit a simple word guessing game. That set looks like it would belong maybe on a new form of Friend or Foe? or something, but definitely not Lingo. I feel the same with Stacey. Now its not that she takes away from the show, she helps Chuck out in his blundering moments, but a simple, bare bones, word guessing game such as Lingo just doesnt need a model. Season 2 was the best. The set fit the show and the prize of $5,000 or that tropical vacation was a very nice touch.
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 12:13 PM\']So Lingo was already an established game in Europe, then? No need to go over there if not, right? Is "Lingo" an American-ization of a different name?
If it was already a European show, it's awfully hard to believe they used that awful set. Unless, as I said, it was a big hit in the Dutch crackhouses.[/quote]
They sure did--and still do: Here's TROS' page for the show, complete with video clip. (http://\"http://www.trosweb.nl/?url=PHP/pip/18\")
IDTV produces "Lingo" for TROS, who has control of the Nederland 2 channel at the 7:25 p.m. weeknight time it's currently on. You want a further explanation of the public broadcasting system in the Netherlands, look it up yourself because it's too complicated and way offtopic as it is.
But to explain the weird time and the 25-minute length: The shows are shown without interruptions and the commercials (yes, public TV in the Netherlands does have commercials freely marked as such) air between programs.
And yes, Nance is the host, not the model.
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Does anybody know exactly when GSN aired the episode with a "0" in the bonus round on New Year's? I checked an episode guide for season 1, and it stated that ep. was the fourth-last originally aired. I was only able to watch from 9 p.m.-midnight (the last six episodes) and didn't see it. GSN obviously aired them in a different order than they originally did...and I missed it again.
As for the contestants on the first season, do we know for sure they were Americans and Canadians living there, or were they just on vacation at the time? When you listen to where they're from and what they're doing (i.e. a lot of students), I find it hard to believe they were all living there ... not that it really matters, but since the point was raised I was always curious about that.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Jan 3 2004, 11:49 AM\'] Does anybody know exactly when GSN aired the episode with a "0" in the bonus round on New Year's? I checked an episode guide for season 1, and it stated that ep. was the fourth-last originally aired. I was only able to watch from 9 p.m.-midnight (the last six episodes) and didn't see it. GSN obviously aired them in a different order than they originally did...and I missed it again.
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I want to say it aired around 3PM or 3:30 ET (I didn't watch all 20, but I do recall seeing that one). Sorry I didn't get it on tape.
Doug
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Jan 3 2004, 12:49 PM\']As for the contestants on the first season, do we know for sure they were Americans and Canadians living there, or were they just on vacation at the time? When you listen to where they're from and what they're doing (i.e. a lot of students), I find it hard to believe they were all living there ... not that it really matters, but since the point was raised I was always curious about that.[/quote]
Some of them were living there at the time--Abby Sher for sure (gulp) because she was a company member of Boom Chicago, the English-language improv troupe in Amsterdam, when she taped the show (the Boom Chicago web site had a picture of her and her partner being coached in Lingo by another company member). If all of them were living there, I don't know--but they could've gotten tourists to come in.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 03:14 PM\'] [quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Jan 2 2004, 12:13 PM\']So Lingo was already an established game in Europe, then? No need to go over there if not, right? Is "Lingo" an American-ization of a different name?
If it was already a European show, it's awfully hard to believe they used that awful set. Unless, as I said, it was a big hit in the Dutch crackhouses.[/quote]
They sure did--and still do: Here's TROS' page for the show, complete with video clip. (http://\"http://www.trosweb.nl/?url=PHP/pip/18\")
IDTV produces "Lingo" for TROS, who has control of the Nederland 2 channel at the 7:25 p.m. weeknight time it's currently on. You want a further explanation of the public broadcasting system in the Netherlands, look it up yourself because it's too complicated and way offtopic as it is.
But to explain the weird time and the 25-minute length: The shows are shown without interruptions and the commercials (yes, public TV in the Netherlands does have commercials freely marked as such) air between programs.
And yes, Nance is the host, not the model. [/quote]
So, is this the only version of Lingo to have a female host (not CO-host)?
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As for the contestants on the first season, do we know for sure they were Americans and Canadians living there, or were they just on vacation at the time
I was actually living in Eastern France at the time... would have gladly paid to take a five hour train trip to Amsterdam to have been a part of it!!!
Ah well, whadda ya going to do? I suppose I'll wait for some more random Canadian game shows to pop up (paging Blaq...)
Cheers,
Ryan :)
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[quote name=\'vtown7\' date=\'Jan 5 2004, 10:10 PM\']
As for the contestants on the first season, do we know for sure they were Americans and Canadians living there, or were they just on vacation at the time
I was actually living in Eastern France at the time... would have gladly paid to take a five hour train trip to Amsterdam to have been a part of it!!![/quote]
And another half-hour to Hilversum, where the studio actually was, along with much of the rest of the Dutch broadcasting industry.
But they may've done interviews in Amsterdam.
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Does GSN license the game itself from the European people? I've long wondered why GSN has done nothing to tweak the basic game, and maybe the answer is "their contract says they can't".
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Jan 6 2004, 07:07 PM\'] Does GSN license the game itself from the European people? I've long wondered why GSN has done nothing to tweak the basic game, and maybe the answer is "their contract says they can't". [/quote]
Ask this question at the GSN boards and you will be told that Stacey is the fix to all the show's problems. [And sadly, I'm only being a little bit sarcastic]
The game is as stale as an old wafer. At least the 1987 version mixed it up a little bit with the prize and jackpot balls. I'd say the gameplay should be improved first, before the set [which is now ugly] or the theme [which is good, but is on the wrong show] or before hiring a "linguist."
But the contract point is something I didn't think of before. You might have something there.....
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[quote name=\'melman1\' date=\'Jan 6 2004, 04:07 PM\'] Does GSN license the game itself from the European people? I've long wondered why GSN has done nothing to tweak the basic game, and maybe the answer is "their contract says they can't". [/quote]
Well, their end game is different than the standard "No Lingo" end game used in most of the rest of the world, and many other versions have some sort of intermediate game involving toss-ups and longer words (like the tiebreaker used here).
I'm not aware of any "the format must stay the same" clauses in international game format sales. Maybe on this one point, GSN and Phil Gurin had the revolutionary idea of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Jan 6 2004, 07:30 PM\'] Maybe on this one point, GSN and Phil Gurin had the revolutionary idea of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". [/quote]
"But it IS broke," he muttered weakly...
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I meant broke as a relative term.
And since when did you start referring to yourself in the third person?
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Jan 6 2004, 07:54 PM\'] I meant broke as a relative term.
And since when did you start referring to yourself in the third person? [/quote]
I think he knew what you meant. I thought he was referring to Phil...
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Jan 6 2004, 06:30 PM\']
I'm not aware of any "the format must stay the same" clauses in international game format sales. Maybe on this one point, GSN and Phil Gurin had the revolutionary idea of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". [/quote]
Actually, Celador requires that any country that buys the rights of "Millionaire" MUST do it in the same format, same music, same answer colors (Orange/Green), and (basically) the same set design.
Their reason ? "Because it works" (According to a short special Good Morning America did on the international verison years back)
-Joe R.
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But that didn't apply to Weakest Link, right?
Each version of that show has the same thing that Millionaire had, except the fact that there were different rules, but the set, format and colors stayed the same.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 6 2004, 10:54 PM\'] Each version of that show has the same thing that Millionaire had, except the fact that there were different rules, but the set, format and colors stayed the same. [/quote]
Care to explain what you are talking about?
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 01:36 AM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 6 2004, 10:54 PM\'] Each version of that show has the same thing that Millionaire had, except the fact that there were different rules, but the set, format and colors stayed the same. [/quote]
Care to explain what you are talking about?
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I think gameshowguy2000's referring to JRaygor's comment that Millionaire's set must stay the same in other countries. He was then asking whether international versions of Weakest Link follow that rule as well. As for the different rules thing...(shrugs)
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Here's what I mean by the different rules thing:
There are different amounts for each chain, and a different number of contestants on each version. Some versions have the double (US)/triple (UK) final banking round. Others just lose them, like the Syndie version did in Season 2.
In addition, there are different rules for the First Round of each version. While the US version has the first round begin with the player in the first position, the UK version has the first round begin with the player whose name is first ALPHABETICALLY.
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The short answer is that everything's negotiable.
The contract for each country probably states what has to be in each country's version. But in most cases anything regarding the show's bible can be changed by each individual country--it's just that in most cases, the people doing the licensing must approve the changes.
I would guess that Celador is more protective of "WWTBAM" than some other packagers, but you can be assured that the changes made for the U.S. daily version were done with their approval. Likewise, any changes made in "TWL" ion the U.S. version were made with the BBC's approval and were considered so minor as to not need approval. Any good format provider knows that formats need to be tweaked to adapt for the customs and mores--and the regulations--of each individual country.