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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: DrBear on January 07, 2004, 07:38:27 PM
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With the threads on the "hit the ground running" classics (not to be confused with Jim Peck hitting the ground) and TTTT's troubled 2K remake being Poundstoned to death, I had this question as I drifted off last night:
Of all the classic, long-running game shows (I'll say more than 2 yrs. for a reasonable run) the only one I can think of that was not remade — well, the remake never made network or syndicated air — was What's My Line?
All the others, from To Tell The Truth to Pyramid, have been remade (except for Wheel of Fortune, which is still on an extension of its original run, heaven help us). And by "remake" I mean a pause of a year or three and a new series of the show; I'm not counting WML and TTTT going immediately to syndication.
Can anyone else think of a long-running game other than WML that did not have a remake?
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 07:38 PM\']
Can anyone else think of a long-running game other than WML that did not have a remake? [/quote]
THe longest running network or syndicated game show I can think of which never saw a revival was Bob Stewart's Eye Guess. It ran three-plus years on NBC in the 60s, but has never seen an aired revival, though Stewart tried unsuccesfully in the late 70s and the late 80s to revive it. Fandango ran six years and Top Card ran for four years on TNN without getting a later revival. On PBS, Where in the World/Where in Time is Carmen Sandiego ran a combined six seasons without getting a revival since then.
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What about TattleTales? I don't think that had a remake, did it?
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It ran three-plus years on NBC in the 60s, but has never seen an aired revival, though Stewart tried unsuccesfully in the late 70s and the late 80s to revive it. Fandango ran six years on TNN without getting a later revival.
Really? Did Bill host these pilots, or someone else?
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What about TattleTales? I don't think that had a remake, did it?
Yes it did; from 1982-84.
Here are some other classic game shows (running two or more years) that have yet to be remade.....
Winner Take All
Stop the Music
Twenty Questions (I believe they did try to bring this one back in the mid-'70s; to no avail.)
The Name's the Same
The Big Payoff
Dollar A Second (See under Twenty Questions; only this time it was in 1981)
Two For the Money
Who Do You Trust (a.k.a. Do You Trust Your Wife)
Dough Re Mi
Video Village
Say When!!
Seven Keys
Personality
Sports Challenge
Face the Music
Bumper Stumpers
And then there are these 'cult faves' many of us would like to see come back:
The Big Showdown
Blackout
Child's Play
Double Exposure
Eye Guess
Talkabout
What's This Song?
Wipeout
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Elaine Fulkerson of the Big Board!'
P.S. Let's hope and pray that STUDS NEVER gets revived!
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 08:05 PM\']
It ran three-plus years on NBC in the 60s, but has never seen an aired revival, though Stewart tried unsuccesfully in the late 70s and the late 80s to revive it. Fandango ran six years on TNN without getting a later revival.
Really? Did Bill host these pilots, or someone else? [/quote]
I recall reading of a proposed syndicated 90 min block of shows in the early '80's, "Eye Guess" was one of the shows, I think "Chain Reaction" and "Jackpot" were the others. WXON in Detroit was to have aired the block if it had gotten off the ground. Jack Clark was to have hosted one of the shows. The late '80's attempt was to have been hosted by Henry Polic II. Back to the original question, some other long-runners that weren't revived were "Play Your Hunch," "Say When," "Personality" and "Seven Keys"
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I don't think Whew! has ever been revived.
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[quote name=\'combsisthebest\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 08:38 PM\'] I don't think Whew! has ever been revived. [/quote]
Whew! could hardly be considered a "long running classic" by any competent observer.
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I'd dispute the initial point. Neither WML nor TTTT went *immediately* into syndication, both had breaks of a year. The syndicated run of What's My Line? was quite distinct from the network run on many levels and would easily be described as a remake.
Seems a little strange to make a big deal about WML? being the only show without a remake when it DID have a remake and you're just arbitrarily creating your own definition as to what qualifies.
Very interesting thread otherwise, though.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 08:57 PM\'] What about TattleTales? I don't think that had a remake, did it? [/quote]
<sigh>
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[quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 07:57 PM\'] [quote name=\'combsisthebest\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 08:38 PM\'] I don't think Whew! has ever been revived. [/quote]
Whew! could hardly be considered a "long running classic" by any competent observer. [/quote]
I assume that combsisthebest was referring the the list at the end of a post shortly before his, cult favorites that many would like to see return. (I'd watch it.)
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 06:58 PM\'] [quote name=\'inturnaround\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 07:57 PM\'] [quote name=\'combsisthebest\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 08:38 PM\'] I don't think Whew! has ever been revived. [/quote]
Whew! could hardly be considered a "long running classic" by any competent observer. [/quote]
I assume that combsisthebest was referring the the list at the end of a post shortly before his, cult favorites that many would like to see return. (I'd watch it.) [/quote]
Yes I was, sorry for not being more clear.
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here's a questionable one, would you call Syndie Millionaire a remake since it aired right after the ABC version was cancelled.
Two kids classics that didnt get a remake
Fun House (unless you count the disaster that launched a thousand bad SS shows known as College Mad House, which anywho ran concurrent, not after)
Ledgends of the Hidden Temple
Given that where in time took place 3 years after the original was spun into rerun hell, I would consider it a remake of Carmen Sandiego. Feel free to argue.
Now here's one on the topic, What REMAKES became the a famous and beloved classic. With the original almost being forgotten and or short lived. I can think of 3 where this is the case...
Sale Of the Century
Tic Tac Dough
Press Your Luck (Second Chance.)
Any others like this.
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 08:19 PM\'] Here are some other classic game shows (running two or more years) that have yet to be remade.....
Winner Take All
Stop the Music
Twenty Questions (I believe they did try to bring this one back in the mid-'70s; to no avail.)
The Name's the Same
The Big Payoff
Dollar A Second (See under Twenty Questions; only this time it was in 1981)
Two For the Money
Who Do You Trust (a.k.a. Do You Trust Your Wife)
Dough Re Mi
Video Village
Say When!!
Seven Keys
Personality
Sports Challenge
Face the Music
Bumper Stumpers [/quote]
Good list. I'd argue that Video Village came back as Shenanigans, and Face the Music didn't run much longer than some of the cult shows, but the few I immediately thought of are on here.
A couple of these would be almost impossible to bring back (you'd have to completely reformat Two for the Money, which was basically a You Bet Your Life clone), but I'm surprised nobody took a shot at Who Do You Trust?
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 11:21 PM\']
A couple of these would be almost impossible to bring back (you'd have to completely reformat Two for the Money, which was basically a You Bet Your Life clone), but I'm surprised nobody took a shot at Who Do You Trust? [/quote]
The game in Two for the MOney wasn't too bad, and the scoring system sort of came back with the 1975 Big Money Password Lightning round.
A revival of WHo Do You Trust with a big name star as host(Rosie O'Donnell IIRC)was discussed around 2001, but nothing has ever come of it.
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[quote name=\'Starkman\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 11:13 PM\'] Sale Of the Century
Tic Tac Dough
Press Your Luck (Second Chance.)
Any others like this. [/quote]
The original Sale of the Century lasted 5 seasons....and I'm sure many of us don't consider PYL "beloved".
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[quote name=\'Starkman\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 11:13 PM\']Now here's one on the topic, What REMAKES became the a famous and beloved classic. With the original almost being forgotten and or short lived. I can think of 3 where this is the case...
Sale Of the Century
Tic Tac Dough
Press Your Luck (Second Chance.)
Any others like this.[/quote]
Why, yes. There's a certain game show on CBS that premiered in Sept. 1972 with the then-host of "Truth or Consequences" at the helm; I'd think that oughta fit your description very nicely.
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And a certain other one in '73 on the same network that brought back the original host and was probably considered by the censors to be a huge pain in the ___________.
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[quote name=\'Jay Temple\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 12:15 AM\'] And a certain other one in '73 on the same network that brought back the original host and was probably considered by the censors to be a huge pain in the ___________. [/quote]
Brett: I wrote hinder!
CNR: I said bippy! (laugh)
Fanny Flagg: Appropriately enough, I wrote fanny.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 09:27 PM\'] The original Sale of the Century lasted 5 seasons....and I'm sure many of us don't consider PYL "beloved". [/quote]
Putting your own personal feelings aside, you can't deny that it was successful.
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[quote name=\'Thad Dixon\' date=\'Jan 7 2004, 09:30 PM\'] Why, yes. There's a certain game show on CBS that premiered in Sept. 1972 with the then-host of "Truth or Consequences" at the helm; I'd think that oughta fit your description very nicely. [/quote]
Too many changes. It'll never work.
On that same note, the same could prolly be said of Jeopardy. The only reason your average twentysomething would know who Art Fleming is is because "Weird Al" Yankovic immortalized him in song...
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Add He Said/She Said and Split Second to the list, as well as the venerable Dotto.
Break the Bank was revived in title only with a different game each time.
If Card Sharks 2001 was any indication, pray that Fremantle never gets a bee in its bonnet to revive another Goodson show.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 02:01 AM\'] Add He Said/She Said and Split Second to the list, as well as the venerable Dotto.
If Card Sharks 2001 was any indication, pray that Fremantle never gets a bee in its bonnet to revive another Goodson show. [/quote]
He Said/She Said was sort of revived as Tattletales, though the forms of questioning changed a bit from HS/SS to TT. Split Second DID indeed have a revival, as MOnty Hall hosted a Canuck-taped revival airing in 1986-87. Dotto never did get a revival, though NBC discussed reviving it in the early 80s.
Fremantle did get a bee in their bonnet to revive two game shows in 2002: one Goodson(Beat the Clock), and one non-Goodson(PYL as WHammy!)
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THe longest running network or syndicated game show I can think of which never saw a revival was Bob Stewart's Eye Guess. It ran three-plus years on NBC in the 60s, but has never seen an aired revival
What about "Three on a Match"? That ran almost three years on NBC and has never seen a revival.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 09:20 AM\']
What about "Three on a Match"? That ran almost three years on NBC and has never seen a revival. [/quote]
There was talk of ABC reviving this in the late 70s, as per a post on Usenet several years back. The maingame's "match like items in columns" concept was sort of brought back in the 1987 Stewart pilot MOney in the Blank. The bonus round on that pilot had people using points won in the maingame to pick spaces in columns in the hopes that a three word phrase would be uncovered to win cash.
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These present an interesting question - should a few of these shows be considered "recycled" vs. remakes? Like HQ recycling the Video/Kiddio Village concept for Shenenigans? Don't want to get into a word war, but if there is only partial similarity to the original, couldn't something like it be considered "new"? Everybody recycles a good idea. If Bob Stewart learned anything from working at GT, he sure learned how to recycle a success!
And I do remember reading in a trade magazine that Barry-Enright was considering a 20 Questions revival. IIRC, Enright told me that then-employee Ron Greenberg was more for the idea than he was. Enright, who worked at WOR back in the days when 20Q was a radio show there, said he thought the format was too dull for today's audiences.
Seven Keys - with a two-player race up the game board, each trying to win keys for a single showcase of prizes - that I'd like. Have to iron out some details - but in one sense, the Joe Farrago Break The Bank with the clue screens and the electronic cards struck me as a Seven Keys clone already.
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Reason I didnt add TPIR in my list of more famous remakes is because Cullen TPIR was such an institution when it was on (9 years + James' version) Ill let the format changes go ;)
MG 7x i had on that List but that almost could be called a different game compared to the sixties version. It is a much different format (namely its players vs panel as compared to teams of celebs and civvies). But you can make an arguement for either most definatly.
Good point about Fleming J! it was that Wierd Al song that kept me from mentioning it in that post! ;)
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[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 10:58 AM\']And I do remember reading in a trade magazine that Barry-Enright was considering a 20 Questions revival. IIRC, Enright told me that then-employee Ron Greenberg was more for the idea than he was. Enright, who worked at WOR back in the days when 20Q was a radio show there, said he thought the format was too dull for today's audiences. [/quote]
And back in 1988, Disney offered a revival of "20 Questions" as a possible stablemate to "WLOD." No one bit.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 02:01 AM\'] Add Split Second to the list [/quote]
Split Second did come back for about nine months during the mid 1980s with your host Monty Hall.
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Isn't any show with questions, bells and buzzers a remake of "Winner Take All"?
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IIRC, the Disney 20 Questions was something a little different - it was a proposed offshoot of the popular Twenty Questions box game made by University Games, which for those who haven't played it, is a very entertaining game where each card has 20 CLUES to a person, place, or thing. Players take turns picking numbers between 1 and 20, and the reader for that round reveals the clues next to those numbers until one player figures out the subject. Like for Ice Cream, the clues include "I can be found in a bar" - "though I can't swim, I can be a float", and "I can be found in a truck full of Good Humor" (clues from the kids edition). I'll keep trying to get a copy of the pilot to confirm that.
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I could say "The Who, What Or Where Game", but was "The Challengers" considered a remake of that show?
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I never really saw the main game of NYSI, but the bonus game looked pretty sweet. I dont know if it would be considered a classic, but everything else good came from the 70s version, like the music for one... and the set was pretty cool.
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[quote name=\'Mark McNeil\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 07:33 PM\'] I could say "The Who, What Or Where Game", but was "The Challengers" considered a remake of that show? [/quote]
I think we'd have to call it one. Same producer, same basic structure. It certainly was being pitched as something new and fresh at the time so they probably didn't make a big deal about its earlier incarnation.
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[quote name=\'Mark McNeil\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 06:33 PM\'] I could say "The Who, What Or Where Game", but was "The Challengers" considered a remake of that show? [/quote]
It was roughly a revival of The WWW Game. Randy Amasia was a part of the run through/pilot in 1988 called "The New Who WHat or Where Game", which later became the Challengers.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 06:57 PM\']
I think we'd have to call it one. Same producer, same basic structure. It certainly was being pitched as something new and fresh at the time so they probably didn't make a big deal about its earlier incarnation. [/quote]
What made it "new and fresh" probably was the emphasis on current events and current pop culture the show was supposed to have. It was current events based earlier in the run, but the current events-based questions were mostly shaved off half-way or so into the run.
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[quote name=\'The Ol' Guy\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 01:04 PM\'] IIRC, the Disney 20 Questions was something a little different - it was a proposed offshoot of the popular Twenty Questions box game made by University Games, which for those who haven't played it, is a very entertaining game where each card has 20 CLUES to a person, place, or thing. Players take turns picking numbers between 1 and 20, and the reader for that round reveals the clues next to those numbers until one player figures out the subject. Like for Ice Cream, the clues include "I can be found in a bar" - "though I can't swim, I can be a float", and "I can be found in a truck full of Good Humor" (clues from the kids edition). I'll keep trying to get a copy of the pilot to confirm that. [/quote]
For the description you just gave, that seems to be a recycled version of the Goodson/Todman "Double Dare" format using Jackpot! type riddles.
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I may be missing something, but isnt Whammy a remake of PYL?
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Good point on 20 Questions, Tim. Each card has a mix of clever and pedestrian clues - others on that same card go "I'll melt in the sun", "I'm always cold", "I'm made with milk", and "Most often, I'm chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry", along with occasional instructions like lose turn, take a free guess, and exchange places with so-and-so player (correct guessers along the game board the number of clues remaining. If a player guessed after 5 clues read, the reader moves 5, the guesser moves 15 spaces). I can see some Jackpot riddles at least inspiring some of the clues. About that time, though, there were lots of box games using the same concept - Anybody's Guess and Clever Endeavor immediately come to mind. During the adult board game boom of the 80s, there were many box games that generously borrowed TV game show concepts old and new, too. Just goes to show good ideas rarely die - they just change.
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The late '80's attempt was to have been hosted by Henry Polic II.
And it was to have been titled Eye-Q, IIRC.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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And I do remember reading in a trade magazine that Barry-Enright was considering a 20 Questions revival. IIRC, Enright told me that then-employee Ron Greenberg was more for the idea than he was. Enright, who worked at WOR back in the days when 20Q was a radio show there, said he thought the format was too dull for today's audiences.
Greenberg actually produced a 20Q pilot for ABC in 1976, hosted by Jack Clark...let's just say Enright called it w/regards to how it came out. :-)
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 07:00 PM\'] I may be missing something, but isnt Whammy a remake of PYL? [/quote]
It is. Just a few tweaks from the classic version, plus some new stuff.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 11:43 PM\'][quote name=\'itiparanoid13\' date=\'Jan 8 2004, 07:00 PM\'] I may be missing something, but isnt Whammy a remake of PYL? [/quote]
It is. Just a few tweaks from the classic version, plus some new stuff.[/quote]
Hence its full name: Whammy! The All-New Press Your Luck.