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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: HSquares2003 on January 13, 2004, 11:46:25 AM
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Has Fremantle truly lost their scruples! Daniel Rosen sounds like crap IMHO! I'm not just saying that because Randy is a member of this board, it is truly what I believe. People were irked when they heard Paul Boland, but, I'll take him Burton or Randy over this guy anyday!!!
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Was this his first show? If it was, I'll cut him some slack. But he certainly seems to be deficient in the energy department.
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Here's my assessment on Dan Rosen..
He's not TERRIBLE. He does have a good announcing voice, but unfortunately, his "COME ON DOWNs" have no more PUNCH than a product plug. Still, I shuddered inside when I heard this John Cervenka (sp?) soundalike. (the announcer of Love Cennection towards the end of the run, and the "host" of the gawdawful Burt Luddin's Love Buffet) I am surprised that he did the TPIR Live shows... I surely expected better.
To put Dan on the "TPIR Announcer Scale", I'd say he's more tolerable than Paul Boland, but nowhere NEAR the caliber of Burton or Randy.
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I agree - he sounds horrible. As chris319 predicted, he sounded more like an actor doing a caricature of an announcer than actually being interested in the show. I also heard him coughing into his mike before the grocery descriptions in "Hit Me." As for putting him on the Annoucer Scale, he's off it - in the wrong direction.
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Glad to see that I wasn't totally off on this assesment
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He has all the sincerity of a Hussein. But at least his warm-up is totally original.
Oh, and that "new" camera tilt during the Showcase Showdown that people have been going nuts about? They were doing that back in 1975.
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If I'm Randy, I'm not losing sleep over this.
Heck, if I'm Paul Boland I'm not losing sleep over this.
Does this guy have a killer warmup or something? 'Cause there are about twenty guys ON THIS FORUM who could have done a better job reading copy.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 01:32 PM\']Does this guy have a killer warmup or something? 'Cause there are about twenty guys ON THIS FORUM who could have done a better job reading copy.[/quote]
Heck, I would. Though I wonder how it would sound on television. At least "in my dreams", my voice tend to be Burton-ish, while my pronouncations tend to be Randy-ish, especially in small product announcing copys...haha!
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 12:32 PM\'] If I'm Randy, I'm not losing sleep over this.
Heck, if I'm Paul Boland I'm not losing sleep over this.
Does this guy have a killer warmup or something? 'Cause there are about twenty guys ON THIS FORUM who could have done a better job reading copy. [/quote]
Seeing as how his first foray into notoriety was doing this juggling/stand up act (I'm pretty sure he's done a Jerry Lewis telethon or seven), I'd venture to say that's his warm-up act (I don't know this for a fact, though).
And thanks for the compliment. :)
Doug -- soon to celebrate 300 posts
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 11:46 AM\'] Has Fremantle truly lost their scruples! Daniel Rosen sounds like crap IMHO! I'm not just saying that because Randy is a member of this board, it is truly what I believe. People were irked when they heard Paul Boland, but, I'll take him Burton or Randy over this guy anyday!!! [/quote]
Damn...CBS was out on my TV this morning...any Norfolk-area residents, did you have trouble picking up WTKR as well, or is it just me? It wasn't the cable, and all the other broadcast channels came in clear. From what it sounds like, Fremantle is trying even harder to get that younger audience. I don't see why they'd have any trouble, though.
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To sum up my thoughts in one word: cold. To use a second word: distant. If not for his (one-word) play off of Bob asking him to fetch another contestant ("Fetching so-and-so"), I would have been willing to bet that he wasn't even in the studio.
What amazed me the most was the way he read copy for the grocery and small-prize games. Not only did he not deviate one syllable from it, not even to say "next, we have...", but he barely even took a beat between descriptions!
"Enjoy Bruce's Yams Johnson's Baby Shampoo"
Then he actually spent about ten seconds just saying his name at the end of the show. You can get away with that if you're Rod Roddy (or Olson or West or Richardson, although they didn't/don't), but not if you've just spent the last 55 minutes as the Amazing Human Copy-Reading Machine.
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I'll just say he's replaced Bob Lorman on my top list of worst announcers ever. He sounded like Paul Boland on sedatives, and his "this is Daaaaaaaaaaaaannniell Rosen" closing sounded like he was trying to be Rod, IMO.
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[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 02:47 PM\'] I'll just say he's replaced Bob Lorman on my top list of worst announcers ever. He sounded like Paul Boland on sedatives, and his "this is Daaaaaaaaaaaaannniell Rosen" closing sounded like he was trying to be Rod, IMO. [/quote]
I haven't even heard this guy yet (Tivo-willing, I will when I get home), but the first thing that springs to mind is that drawing out the name "Daniel" is just going to sound moronic no matter how you do it. For the purposes of this gig, I'd shorten it to "Dan". "Daaaaaaaan Rosen" works.
(That said, it works for Randy, because he just belts it out. "This is RANDY WEST speaking!" Yet another reason why Our Man is The Man. :))
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 06:00 PM\'] [quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 02:47 PM\'] I'll just say he's replaced Bob Lorman on my top list of worst announcers ever. He sounded like Paul Boland on sedatives, and his "this is Daaaaaaaaaaaaannniell Rosen" closing sounded like he was trying to be Rod, IMO. [/quote]
I haven't even heard this guy yet (Tivo-willing, I will when I get home), but the first thing that springs to mind is that drawing out the name "Daniel" is just going to sound moronic no matter how you do it. For the purposes of this gig, I'd shorten it to "Dan". "Daaaaaaaan Rosen" works.
(That said, it works for Randy, because he just belts it out. "This is RANDY WEST speaking!" Yet another reason why Our Man is The Man. :)) [/quote]
You make an excellent point--it works for shorter names like "Dan" or "Rod" but definitely not "Daniel."
He did have an OK voice [he kinda sounded somewhere between Dee Baker and Randy] but TPIR was definitely not his show.
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Just because an announcer works in front of a few hundred people for an untelevised show doesn't mean it will translate to on-air.
I have a feeling you won't be hearing this guy again. Geez, I'll never take Burton for granted again.
One thing about Paul Boland I found funny.
I recall a conversation where Paul was told to tone it down, as he was "way" out there. He then said something along the lines of "This is the way I do it".
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 05:33 PM\'] I have a feeling you won't be hearing this guy again. Geez, I'll never take Burton for granted again
I recall a conversation where Paul was told to tone it down, as he was "way" out there. He then said something along the lines of "This is the way I do it". [/quote]
Hate to burst your bubble, but according to golden-road.net, he'll be back sometime in February.
As far as Boland's remark.....maybe that's the reason why he hasn't been back since.
However, I didn't see today's episode. Remind me to tape tomorrow's episode.
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[quote name=\'Steve_Bier\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 05:53 PM\']As far as Boland's remark.....maybe that's the reason why he hasn't been back since.[/quote]
Probably, plus the fact that he wasn't very good.
But Boland was 1000x better than this guy.
If Price is planning on turning off viewers, hire this guy.
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Whew, I'm glad I'm not the only person who felt that way. I had it on this morning to hear how he sounded and thought maybe he was tired or out of breath in the opening. It seemed to be one step above monotone. There was no enthusiasm or excitement. It almost sounded like a really calm Burton Richardson at times. Not exactly what TPiR needs, if you ask me.
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Is there a sound clip of his TPIR somewhere already? If not, please notify the board if there is. I sadly neglected to tape this episode. Or not so sadly take your pick. :)
Agreeing with George here about the obscure reference, but deserved one of Mr. Bob Lorman. Announcer on "Finders Keepers" between Harvey and Joe Conklin. Awful stuff. He was like a less nasal Geoffrey Darby, which isn't saying much.
-Jason
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I found an interesting radio interview with Daniel concerning TPIR on his website at www.danielrosen.org (the link to the interview is contained in the TPIR popup that comes up when you first load the site)
Please make a note when Daniel says to the host (jokingly) "A Refrigerator Freezer" and "A NEW CAR".
These two things he said during this interview had more enthusiasm alone than that of his whole first show today.
The way he said "A Refrigerator Freezer" and "A NEW CAR" didn't sound half bad from what I heard of it (but I'll have to listen to the interview again)
Maybe he'll get better at it on TV.....
He also notes that Chris Harrison (Mall Masters, Bachelor) was the 3rd TPIR LIVE! host (I didn't know that until hearing this). He also mentions that the TPIR LIVE! show is coming to other Harrah's casinos.
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[quote name=\'HSquares2003\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 11:46 AM\'] Has Fremantle truly lost their scruples! Daniel Rosen sounds like crap IMHO! I'm not just saying that because Randy is a member of this board, it is truly what I believe. People were irked when they heard Paul Boland, but, I'll take him Burton or Randy over this guy anyday!!! [/quote]
Here's my personal opinion (which so many people give a damn about) from watching the episode last night. The guy sounds like he's on helium.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 05:33 PM\'] One thing about Paul Boland I found funny.
I recall a conversation where Paul was told to tone it down, as he was "way" out there. He then said something along the lines of "This is the way I do it". [/quote]
Which no doubt is why he hasn't been "doing it" since that week in 2002.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 05:00 PM\'] [quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 02:47 PM\'] I'll just say he's replaced Bob Lorman on my top list of worst announcers ever. He sounded like Paul Boland on sedatives, and his "this is Daaaaaaaaaaaaannniell Rosen" closing sounded like he was trying to be Rod, IMO. [/quote]
I haven't even heard this guy yet (Tivo-willing, I will when I get home), but the first thing that springs to mind is that drawing out the name "Daniel" is just going to sound moronic no matter how you do it. For the purposes of this gig, I'd shorten it to "Dan". "Daaaaaaaan Rosen" works.
(That said, it works for Randy, because he just belts it out. "This is RANDY WEST speaking!" Yet another reason why Our Man is The Man. :)) [/quote]
I want this archived, save forever! I agree with Chris Lemon.
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Daniel Rosen's voice makes me think I'm watching Shop Til You Drop, since his voice would be more suited to that show than TPIR(seems as though the announcers for STYD after Mark L. Walberg sound a bit like Rosen)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Jan 13 2004, 01:32 PM\'] If I'm Randy, I'm not losing sleep over this.
Heck, if I'm Paul Boland I'm not losing sleep over this.
Does this guy have a killer warmup or something? 'Cause there are about twenty guys ON THIS FORUM who could have done a better job reading copy. [/quote]
Hey Matt, I'm laid off from General Motors right now, think I should send a tape in(sarcasm)?
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One thing about Paul Boland I found funny.
I recall a conversation where Paul was told to tone it down, as he was "way" out there. He then said something along the lines of "This is the way I do it".
An actor who doesn't take direction doesn't stay an actor very long. Paul Boland is no exception. If he'd said that to Frank Wayne he'd be walking with a serious limp now.
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Saw today's show, and he(Daniel) tried to sound like Rod at the show's close.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 11:56 AM\']
One thing about Paul Boland I found funny.
I recall a conversation where Paul was told to tone it down, as he was "way" out there. He then said something along the lines of "This is the way I do it".
An actor who doesn't take direction doesn't stay an actor very long. Paul Boland is no exception. If he'd said that to Frank Wayne he'd be walking with a serious limp now. [/quote]
Now that you mention, some of Paul Boland's announcing is over the top. I recall on MG98 he really seemed to be that way when he would say "NELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL CARTER!". Maybe he had a thing for bigger women(not that there is anything wrong with that btw)?
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 12:04 PM\'] Saw today's show, and he(Daniel) tried to sound like Rod at the show's close. [/quote]
I thought about that too. However, during the show, he placed his enthusiasm in the wrong places, but absolutely no energy when he told contestants to "COME ON DOWN!!!" He sounded like a generic game show announcer, and I don't mean that in a good way.
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I hate to pile on (okay, not that much), but what got me on today's show was his roller-coaster method for calling down contestants.
"John Q. Public, come on down. You're the next contestant! on The Price Is Right."
What's the name of the show again, Mr. Rosen? I couldn't quite make it out.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 02:16 PM\'] I hate to pile on (okay, not that much), but what got me on today's show was his roller-coaster method for calling down contestants.
"John Q. Public, come on down. You're the next contestant! on The Price Is Right."
What's the name of the show again, Mr. Rosen? I couldn't quite make it out. [/quote]
Personally, I think he tried way too hard to emulate Rod at the beginning and end of the show; from his "Booooooooooooooob Barrrrkerrrrr!" and his "Daaaaaannnnnniel Rosen" at the end. In contrast, he sounded like was a clerk announcing in a supermarket (not sweep), with little to no vocal inflections in his delivery, and overall really seemed to drag the show down........even the audience seemed less enthusiastic (and that's hard to do!).
BTW, are the contestants on the show seemingly getting more annoying? 2 contestants in a row don't even know what they're bidding on? Geez!
Tyshaun
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[quote name=\'tyshaun1\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 02:53 PM\'] BTW, are the contestants on the show seemingly getting more annoying? 2 contestants in a row don't even know what they're bidding on? Geez!
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I also noticed a bid for $420. :-P
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He's picked up some of Rod's worst habits. He needs a non-stop weekend of watching Johnny Olson episodes.
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Have to add that I wasn't impressed, either--but I wouldn't say what he was doing was "edgy," for those who want to jump on Vinnedge & Co. for anything. If he was doing "edgy," he'd be screaming "DUDE!" a lot and doing "HOLY CRAP, IT'S A NEW CAR!"
Also, when Barker did "Daniel, what's that make of car again?", he could've just said it straight.
All in all, if Burton goes overboard in his readings sometimes, Rosen goes the other way. Unless he improves, Burton and Randy shouldn't be losing any sleep.
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After seeing today's episode, all I can think of is how Freemantle gave Burt Luddin...er....John Cervenka....his big break.
C'MON!
This guy is absolutely horrible. Hell, my 9 year old nephew could have done a better job. I wonder if I should send in a demo tape......LOL
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[quote name=\'Steve_Bier\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 02:40 PM\'] This guy is absolutely horrible. Hell, my 9 year old nephew could have done a better job. I wonder if I should send in a demo tape......LOL [/quote]
I will say this, and I will say this in all seriousness:
What do you have to lose? Tape, couple stamps, a couple hours of your life.
Fremantle might like something they hear and want to take a closer look at you.
It's a delicious Entertainment Tonight story. "Yeah, I said, "hell, _I_ could do a better job than THIS guy." And I thought, well, why not?" Gets the show a little pub (always good if an MDS is about to air), makes the old folks at home smile.
Read five minutes of copy into a tape recorder, and let 'em have it. Why not?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 04:46 PM\'] [quote name=\'Steve_Bier\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 02:40 PM\'] This guy is absolutely horrible. Hell, my 9 year old nephew could have done a better job. I wonder if I should send in a demo tape......LOL [/quote]
I will say this, and I will say this in all seriousness:
What do you have to lose? Tape, couple stamps, a couple hours of your life.
Fremantle might like something they hear and want to take a closer look at you.
It's a delicious Entertainment Tonight story. "Yeah, I said, "hell, _I_ could do a better job than THIS guy." And I thought, well, why not?" Gets the show a little pub (always good if an MDS is about to air), makes the old folks at home smile.
Read five minutes of copy into a tape recorder, and let 'em have it. Why not? [/quote]
Hmmm...I *have* been looking for some voiceover work.
Randy, would it be possible to post some of your TPiR copy to the group, or is that confidential information? :-)
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I think it's poor form to ask somebody who's actively competing for a particular job to help you try to get that job instead.
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[quote name=\'SplitSecond\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 05:01 PM\'] I think it's poor form to ask somebody who's actively competing for a particular job to help you try to get that job instead. [/quote]
I didn't mean it like that, and if my statement implies such, then I apologize. I am seriously looking for voice-over work, and would probably start local. I would like to at least practice with various scripts though, to see what my forte would be.
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A good way to make a do-it-yourself script is to record an episode of a game show (let's say Price, in this case) and transcribe it in Microsoft Word. Daniel Rosen, if nothing else, doesn't seem to deviate from the script, so you can transcribe from him word-for-word without much fear of capturing any sort of ad-libs.
Split all of your pages into two columns and leave one column blank. This is where the director makes his markings on his own copy of the script. Most scripts have the copy on the left side of the page and leave the right side blank - some have this flipped.
Put each element of the show on a separate page. Show open on the first page, first One Bid on the next page, prizes for the first stage game on the next page, etc. Double-space everything so you can make notes on pronunciation, emphasis, etc. Make sure your text is ALL CAPS so that it is easier to read, and choose an easy-to-read font (Arial 10 or 12 point works fine for me).
Once you're finished transcribing the text, print it out, read it through, make notes, read it through some more, make notes... Once you're comfortable enough, start asking your friends to listen to you. Those who have some knowledge about TV and radio announcing can give you some valuable pointers, but those who don't can also be valuable for their gut reaction to your overall style.
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And a word of advice (boy, do I hope Doug isn't reading this): if you find yourself describing a "walter filter", don't get your hopes up.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 12:04 PM\'] Saw today's show, and he(Daniel) tried to sound like Rod at the show's close. [/quote]
Indeed he did. It sounds like he's exaggerating his self-importance when he does so. Rod earned the right to do that after years in the booth. He didn't start doing that "Roooooodddddddd" business until Press Your Luck by which time he'd earned his stripes.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 05:48 PM\'] And a word of advice (boy, do I hope Doug isn't reading this): if you find yourself describing a "walter filter", don't get your hopes up. [/quote]
You were referring to Doug Morris, yes? Otherwise, there's a cruel joke being perpetuated at my expense. :) (I didn't think Dougs were all that prevalent on this board, at least compared to the 33 Christophers that ARE on here.)
The other Doug -- soon to celebrate 300 posts
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 10:34 PM\'] [quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 05:48 PM\'] And a word of advice (boy, do I hope Doug isn't reading this): if you find yourself describing a "walter filter", don't get your hopes up. [/quote]
You were referring to Doug Morris, yes? Otherwise, there's a cruel joke being perpetuated at my expense. :) (I didn't think Dougs were all that prevalent on this board, at least compared to the 33 Christophers that ARE on here.) [/quote]
Sorry about the confusion; I did mean Doug Morris. ("Walter filter" came from the 'Net Price is Right blooper page.) And now that you mention it, I'm not the only Jason here either.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 09:42 PM\'] [quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 10:34 PM\'] [quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 05:48 PM\'] And a word of advice (boy, do I hope Doug isn't reading this): if you find yourself describing a "walter filter", don't get your hopes up. [/quote]
You were referring to Doug Morris, yes? Otherwise, there's a cruel joke being perpetuated at my expense. :) (I didn't think Dougs were all that prevalent on this board, at least compared to the 33 Christophers that ARE on here.) [/quote]
Sorry about the confusion; I did mean Doug Morris. ("Walter filter" came from the 'Net Price is Right blooper page.) [/quote]
I figgered as much. I'll have to check the TNPiR page out, if the link is still active (I could always use a chuckle).
Doug -- soon to celebrate 300 posts
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 09:44 PM\'] [quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 09:42 PM\'] [quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 10:34 PM\'] [quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 05:48 PM\'] And a word of advice (boy, do I hope Doug isn't reading this): if you find yourself describing a "walter filter", don't get your hopes up. [/quote]
You were referring to Doug Morris, yes? Otherwise, there's a cruel joke being perpetuated at my expense. :) (I didn't think Dougs were all that prevalent on this board, at least compared to the 33 Christophers that ARE on here.) [/quote]
Sorry about the confusion; I did mean Doug Morris. ("Walter filter" came from the 'Net Price is Right blooper page.) [/quote]
I figgered as much. I'll have to check the TNPiR page out, if the link is still active (I could always use a chuckle).
Doug -- soon to celebrate 300 posts [/quote]
http://www.npir.com (http://\"http://www.npir.com\")
And I got a good laugh out of that blooper. Reminds me of the late Rod's ONLY blooper:
Bob: "Look what we have for you to bid on now!"
Rod: "A BARBECUE AND A NEW CAR!" (Applause, then laughter) "No, no, no, no, no. A LOVELY DINETTE GROUP!" (More laughter as Rod continues, laughing in the process)
Bob (chuckling after Rod's done): "Roger, Rod?"
Rod (still laughing): "YES, BOB?"
Bob (still chuckling): "Would you like a glass of water?" (Laughter continues as audience member shouts "WATER!") "OR A GLASS OF SOMETHING!"
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 10:16 PM\'][quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 09:44 PM\'] [quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 09:42 PM\'] [quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 10:34 PM\'] [quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Jan 14 2004, 05:48 PM\'] And a word of advice (boy, do I hope Doug isn't reading this): if you find yourself describing a "walter filter", don't get your hopes up. [/quote]
You were referring to Doug Morris, yes? Otherwise, there's a cruel joke being perpetuated at my expense. :) (I didn't think Dougs were all that prevalent on this board, at least compared to the 33 Christophers that ARE on here.) [/quote]
Sorry about the confusion; I did mean Doug Morris. ("Walter filter" came from the 'Net Price is Right blooper page.) [/quote]
I figgered as much. I'll have to check the TNPiR page out, if the link is still active (I could always use a chuckle).
Doug -- soon to celebrate 300 posts [/quote]
http://www.npir.com (http://\"http://www.npir.com\")
And I got a good laugh out of that blooper. Reminds me of the late Rod's ONLY blooper:
Bob: "Look what we have for you to bid on now!"
Rod: "A BARBECUE AND A NEW CAR!" (Applause, then laughter) "No, no, no, no, no. A LOVELY DINETTE GROUP!" (More laughter as Rod continues, laughing in the process)
Bob (chuckling after Rod's done): "Roger, Rod?"
Rod (still laughing): "YES, BOB?"
Bob (still chuckling): "Would you like a glass of water?" (Laughter continues as audience member shouts "WATER!") "OR A GLASS OF SOMETHING!"[/quote]
Thanks. Now that was funi. :)
Doug -- soon to celebrate 300 posts