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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: JMFabiano on January 18, 2004, 12:26:19 AM
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Language differences aside, what do you think is the best modern version of FF we have right now?
(Wish we had a poll option for this, or do we?)
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Well...I've only caught snippets of the show because I can't sit through an entire episode without having a frigging clue what's being said.
However, I would say that Karn wins with the set and music and format....but the gameboard is better on the Mexican version. I've always prefered the computer thing to the flip cards.
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[quote name=\'JMFabiano\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 12:26 AM\'] Language differences aside, what do you think is the best modern version of FF we have right now?
(Wish we had a poll option for this, or do we?) [/quote]
That's pretty tough. In terms of production values, Karn wins. But CMD just looks like a gosh darn good ol' time.
I'll have to give it to Karn overall though.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'Brandon Brooks\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 02:37 AM\'] [quote name=\'JMFabiano\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 12:26 AM\'] Language differences aside, what do you think is the best modern version of FF we have right now?
(Wish we had a poll option for this, or do we?) [/quote]
That's pretty tough. In terms of production values, Karn wins. But CMD just looks like a gosh darn good ol' time.
I'll have to give it to Karn overall though.
Brandon Brooks [/quote]
Would someone be kind enough to tell me which station it is that airs reruns of these Hispanic game shows? And, do they air any others?
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 02:59 AM\'] Would someone be kind enough to tell me which station it is that airs reruns of these Hispanic game shows? And, do they air any others? [/quote]
I want to say Telemundo. If not that, then Univision. Nevermind, it's Telefutura. :-)
And to answer the question, Karn's Feud definitely has an advantage, just for being so high-tech, although the big screens in the family backdrops are unnecessary. But I loved the Mexican courtyard set, with mosaic tile and plants.
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[quote name=\'Dsmith\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 02:59 AM\'] Would someone be kind enough to tell me which station it is that airs reruns of these Hispanic game shows? And, do they air any others? [/quote]
The only one I know of is the Telefutura Network running 100 Mexicanos Dijeron each weekday at 6 Central. It's on Chicago's Comcast, but I don't know about others.
Brandon Brooks
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What?!? You can't be serious. Of course, being Hispanic, I'm more biased to say that 100MD is the better show by leaps and bounds! They even brought back the lollipops for the late 3rd and 4th season, for crying out loud! Yes, you heard right, lollipops. Apparently, they've been watching Dawson's version, took some ideas, and made them into something spectacular at the end of the fun hour. Call me a purist, but 100MD really does hold true to the classic form, so to speak. They even do the last round perfectly, which astounds me.
The Mexican courtyard set does change in the late 2003 episodes, and so does the music, but it is vastly improved now than it is...well...now. Um...yeah...
We do get the reruns on Telefutura at 7pm E/P (6pm C). Here in Los Angeles, it is KFTR-46, meaning you could watch it on broadcast TV without cable. Then again, this is L.A....where at least half the people know quite a bit of Spanish. However, the eps we get here are at least a year and maybe a month or two behind.
In Mexico, they have shiny new episodes on Canal de las Estrellas at...3pm in Morelia, D.F., Mexico City, and that general region where I was not too long ago. Gosh, how I miss those new episodes.
I really would suggest watching that show at least once to see what it's like, even if you don't speak Spanish. Who knows...maybe you might learn something!
-Jason D. Hernandez
"Vamos a Jugar!"
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And to answer the question, Karn's Feud definitely has an advantage, just for being so high-tech, although the big screens in the family backdrops are unnecessary.
They were just added when Karn came aboard as a throwback to the classic era backdrops...personally, I like them much better than the tiny overhead monitors w/the fam names used during the Louie era.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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[quote name=\'jdhernandez\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 06:00 AM\'] They even do the last round perfectly, which astounds me. [/quote]
Depends on what you mean. The triple round... three strikes. If there is another round after that, it's one strike, and that's not true to form.
But Karn does the same thing.
Brandon Brooks
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I'm in a toss-up on these 2 shows. I've seen bits and pieces of the Spanish version. I like it when Antonio (the host) says "iLa encuesta dice!" or "iEs la respuesta Numero Uno!"
And what's more interesting is that losing horn sound in Fast Money. I chuckle often when I hear that sound.
As for Karn, well, I like it that some of the classic stuff is back, say the family name behind the team, returning champs, etc.
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We do get the reruns on Telefutura at 7pm E/P (6pm C). Here in Los Angeles, it is KFTR-46, meaning you could watch it on broadcast TV without cable. Then again, this is L.A....where at least half the people know quite a bit of Spanish.
Telefutura is available over-the-air in many hispanic markets, especially markets that had both Home Shopping and Univision over-the-air before Telefutura started, like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Dallas, Tampa Bay, Miami, Chicago and New York, among others.
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 04:32 PM\']
We do get the reruns on Telefutura at 7pm E/P (6pm C). Here in Los Angeles, it is KFTR-46, meaning you could watch it on broadcast TV without cable. Then again, this is L.A....where at least half the people know quite a bit of Spanish.
Telefutura is available over-the-air in many hispanic markets, especially markets that had both Home Shopping and Univision over-the-air before Telefutura started, like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Dallas, Tampa Bay, Miami, Chicago and New York, among others. [/quote]
Yep, and here in Dallas, KHSX-49 had HSN, before dropping that in 1999 and becoming KSTR-49 (pronounced KSTAR), and became an Independent station, airing classic stuff.
Then, in 2002, it became the home to Telefutura, on January 14. I'm starting to get used to it, too.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 05:07 PM\']I'm in a toss-up on these 2 shows. I've seen bits and pieces of the Spanish version. I like it when Antonio (the host) says "iLa encuesta dice!" or "iEs la respuesta Numero Uno!"
And what's more interesting is that losing horn sound in Fast Money. I chuckle often when I hear that sound.[/quote]
Marco Antonio Regil, who also hosted the Mexican version of TPiR, is the host of 100MD.
100MD, by the way, is now closed-captioned in Spanish, so you can read what's being said, and get out your trusty Spanish-English dictionary.
"La encuesta dice..."="Survey says..."
"Es la respuesta numero uno"="It's the number one answer."
My favorite part of the show is when, after each "X" that appears in the main game, Marco says "strike", which is the only English word, save for a few answers, that carries over into the Mexican version. Because of the intricacies of Spanish, Marco says, "un estrike" [1 strike] but is captioned as "un strike". They say "strike" because of the baseball analogy, baseball being as much a pastime in Mexico as it is here.
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[quote name=\'byrd62\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 06:55 PM\'] [quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 05:07 PM\']I'm in a toss-up on these 2 shows. I've seen bits and pieces of the Spanish version. I like it when Antonio (the host) says "iLa encuesta dice!" or "iEs la respuesta Numero Uno!"
And what's more interesting is that losing horn sound in Fast Money. I chuckle often when I hear that sound.[/quote]
Marco Antonio Regil, who also hosted the Mexican version of TPiR, is the host of 100MD.
100MD, by the way, is now closed-captioned in Spanish, so you can read what's being said, and get out your trusty Spanish-English dictionary.
"La encuesta dice..."="Survey says..."
"Es la respuesta numero uno"="It's the number one answer."[/quote]
Actually, I knew those 2 phrases, byrd62.
And it's been 3 years since I last took Spanish class!
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Depends on what you mean. The triple round... three strikes. If there is another round after that, it's one strike, and that's not true to form.
Okay, here's how it works...
Single, Single, Single, DOBLE!, TRIPLE!, Muerte Subita
For "Sudden Death," there is one strike, but at least it's not only one answer like the Karn version. There is always three answers for Muerte Subita, so there is a little strategy in the passing/playing. To me, having one answer in the last round is really not working...that's what I meant. Plus, we see Round 6 played once in a blue moon.....how many times in the Dawson version was there a SIXTH round played?
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[quote name=\'jdhernandez\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 08:45 PM\'] To me, having one answer in the last round is really not working...that's what I meant. [/quote]
Now, I see. And I wholly agree.
Brandon Brooks
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[quote name=\'jdhernandez\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 08:45 PM\'] how many times in the Dawson version was there a SIXTH round played? [/quote]
Not all that often, until the 400 point rule in 1984-85.
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Yes, but that could have been avoided if they hadn't done 4 single questions then. Anyone know why they added a 4th single round? Was it because of Dawson? I know that is why they went to 400 to begin with, but did they add the 4th single round for those same reasons?
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 10:19 PM\'] Was it because of Dawson? I know that is why they went to 400 to begin with [/quote]
I hope you're not suggesting that Dawson advocated the 400 point rule, because as far as I know that's not the case. He would have much rather joked around for half an hour than have had to rush the show due to the game - the 400 point thing was ABC and or Howard Flesher's suggestion.
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I wasn't saying that at all. I knew that it was ABC's idea to do the 400 point rule, but I was just wondering if they came up with the extra single round, for the same reason as advocating the 400 point rule to start with.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 10:46 PM\'] I wasn't saying that at all. I knew that it was ABC's idea to do the 400 point rule, but I was just wondering if they came up with the extra single round, for the same reason as advocating the 400 point rule to start with. [/quote]
Ah. I get what you're saying now...and it would make sense. Adding more single rounds actually is more effective in getting more game play in an ep than just extending the points required to win.
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How so exactly? Let's say a team had over 200 points after 3 single rounds. If they were to do a double round, they could win.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 11:40 PM\'] How so exactly? Let's say a team had over 200 points after 3 single rounds. If they were to do a double round, they could win. [/quote]
The 300 point format was Single-Single-Single-Double-Triple(save for c. 1979-81 on the daytime show where it was Single-Single-Double-Double-Triple), wherein a game could be won after the fourth question. In the 400 point format, it was Single-Single-Single-Single-Double-Triple, so it would take at least five questions to determine a winner.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 11:40 PM\'] How so exactly? Let's say a team had over 200 points after 3 single rounds. If they were to do a double round, they could win. [/quote]
Well, say the original format is
Single
Single
Double
Triple
with the intent of reaching 300 points.
Now, making it
Single
Single
Single
Double
Triple
... and all of a sudden there's no possibility of a 3 round win, like there was in the original idea.
I guess it's the same addition to the length as if you made it 400 pts. Sorry bout that.
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Though my Spanish is limited, I enjoy 100MD, even more than Karn's version, which I also like but don't watch as often. It's modern without losing the warmth of the classic.
Marco does a great job, especially when buidling suspense during Fast Money (or rather Dinero Rapido). He's funny but keeps the game moving. He's also borrowed touches from both Dawson and Combs. (He kisses the ladies, and I've seen one episode where he tries on a woman's shoes.)
It's strange to see Fast Money answers sometimes worth 70 to 80 points. (And even then, the families don't always reach 200.)
I usually only have time to watch a couple times a week, so can any who also watches tell me the about the charity telethon that's been in the background the last couple week? There are various "Teleton" signs and a yellow pig (like a piggy bank) that sits on the face-off table between the buzzers. Yet the gameplay is normal (not for charity).
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[quote name=\'David Lawrence\' date=\'Jan 19 2004, 09:36 AM\']I usually only have time to watch a couple times a week, so can any who also watches tell me the about the charity telethon that's been in the background the last couple week? There are various "Teleton" signs and a yellow pig (like a piggy bank) that sits on the face-off table between the buzzers. Yet the gameplay is normal (not for charity).[/quote]
According to his web site (http://\"http://www.marcoantonioregil.com/galerias/teleton/teleton.html\"), he's one of the "Jerry Lewis'" of Mexican Telethons. (Don Francisco of the other variety/game show Sabado Gigante (http://\"http://www.gigante.com\") has/had one, too.)
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ObMexicanGameShow: I remember when someone decided that they were gonna make Don Francisco a crossover star in the US, and booked him on all of the nighttime talk shows. Needless to say, it didn't work.
MoreObMexicanGameShow: I miss El Gran Juego De La Oca. You younguns should Google up some of the recaps of that show from ATGS back before Harvey and his buddies crapped all over it. THAT was some good TV. And keep in mind this was almost a solid decade before Fear Factor...
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' date=\'Jan 18 2004, 04:32 PM\'] Telefutura is available over-the-air in many hispanic markets, especially markets that had both Home Shopping and Univision over-the-air before Telefutura started, like Los Angeles, San Francisco, Dallas, Tampa Bay, Miami, Chicago and New York, among others. [/quote]
Add tv 67 in Houston to the list.
TV 67 began in January 1986 as an independent! Then in October 1986, it switched to Home Shopping Network. And then it became Telefutura in 2001.
I've seen a few episodes of 100 Mexicanos Dijeron myself. One week, they had a special week where a famous person (sports star/tv star) was captain with 4 children playing with them.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 19 2004, 11:52 AM\']MoreObMexicanGameShow: I miss El Gran Juego De La Oca. You younguns should Google up some of the recaps of that show from ATGS back before Harvey and his buddies crapped all over it. THAT was some good TV. And keep in mind this was almost a solid decade before Fear Factor...[/quote]
I, for one, wish to echo Chris' sentiments. That was a show you didn't have to either know the language or consume large amounts of alcohol to enjoy. Especially the "Beauty Salon" contest (Contestant --always a guy-- gets a question. Get it right, get a toenail painted. Blow it, get a section of your leg waxed.)
Chris, you're making me wish I had my giant C-Band dish again. Stop that.
(...But I thought Juego was Portugese, wasn't it?)
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[quote name=\'CarbonCpy\' date=\'Jan 19 2004, 08:35 PM\'] (...But I thought Juego was Portugese, wasn't it?)
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Something like that. Maybe Spain? I remember them using the peseta as the unit of money they would wager on the various stunts.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jan 19 2004, 11:00 PM\'] [quote name=\'CarbonCpy\' date=\'Jan 19 2004, 08:35 PM\'] (...But I thought Juego was Portugese, wasn't it?)
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Something like that. Maybe Spain? I remember them using the peseta as the unit of money they would wager on the various stunts. [/quote]
Yep, the Peseta is Spain's currency unit, the Peso, Mexico's currency unit.
Portugal's currency unit is the Escudo.
"Juego" is Spanish.
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[quote name=\'gameshowguy2000\' date=\'Jan 19 2004, 10:25 PM\'] "Juego" is Spanish. [/quote]
I believe he's referring to the origin of the show, most of us at least know enough pidgin Spanish to know what "juego" means.
So you're still right, for once, just not in the way you thought.
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Does anyone know if there is a site that has information about Spanish-language Game Shows? I still miss the short-lived series A Millon that was on Univision in early 2001 and 100 Mexicanos Dijeron sounds like a lot of fun. I'd probably enjoy these shows even more if I spoke one word of Spanish, but if the entertainment can transcend language they must be good shows.
Thanks!
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To me the 1 strike round (although after watching it again it is better than the Anderson/karn version) did turn me off to CMD, but on the whole the set is very mexican home like, and the set does make me think of the dawson days. Karn ill give alot of credit to as it is now a watchable format with DCs and the warmer set.
However I still think CMD is the better show, and hey im starting to pick up some spanish from it.
Anyone know if you can get Caption C1 subtitles on CMD like you can on the Telenovelas?