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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: cmjb13 on February 03, 2004, 04:04:58 PM
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From cbs.com
Special Notice: Tape Dates Cancelled
All shows for The Price Is Right for the week of February 2nd to February 5th have been cancelled. Mr. Barker has contracted the flu, and under doctor’s orders has been asked to rest for the remainder of the week. Mr. Barker sincerely regrets cancelling the shows and appreciates your understanding at this time. For further information, please call the CBS ticket office at 323-575-2458.
Roger Rose was supposed to tape this week. No word on whether his appearance will be pushed back.
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Not only that, but I saw on golden-road.net that the 6,000th episode is also "up in the air" as far as scheduling goes. This is one case where TPIR needs a sub host. Bob's 80 & isn't quite as energenic as he once was.
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Obviously, with the shows not being taped this week, 6000 wouldn't tape on 2/17.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 05:36 AM\'] Not only that, but I saw on golden-road.net that the 6,000th episode is also "up in the air" as far as scheduling goes. This is one case where TPIR needs a sub host. Bob's 80 & isn't quite as energenic as he once was. [/quote]
Bob won't allow a sub host. He did in late 1974 for three episodes, as Dennis James(who was doing the weekly nighttime syndicated TPIR at the time) filled in for him on the daytime show. WHen Bob became EP in 1987 upon the death of Frank Wayne(the recently-departed Phil ROssi's dad), part of his contract IIRC says no one will sub host. 'Twould be interesting to see Todd Newton, Marc Summers, or even Randy West step in for a show or two, however.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 08:10 AM\'] Bob won't allow a sub host. [/quote]
That's just selfish. Pure and simple. Selfish to the crew, the contestants
and many others. Say what you will about Walter Cronkite's ego, but when he
got sick or went on vacation, did The CBS Evening News go on as
scheduled anyway? It did. Did CBS have to plug in a rerun? It did not.
They just called up Roger Mudd or Mike Wallace or whoever and the
show went on. Bob needs to get over himself.
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This is the first time I've heard that that clause is in his contract, but it would make sense.
That's just selfish. Pure and simple. Selfish to the crew
Selfish to some of the crew. Some do get paid when they don't work. (ie: non-tape dates, cancelled dates)
the contestants
Contestants aren't paying to get in, although those who fly to L.A. for the specific purpose of being a contestant might be disappointed.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 09:50 AM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 08:10 AM\'] Bob won't allow a sub host. [/quote]
That's just selfish. Pure and simple. Selfish to the crew, the contestants
and many others. Say what you will about Walter Cronkite's ego, but when he
got sick or went on vacation, did The CBS Evening News go on as
scheduled anyway? It did. Did CBS have to plug in a rerun? It did not.
They just called up Roger Mudd or Mike Wallace or whoever and the
show went on. Bob needs to get over himself. [/quote]
I really don't see the big deal. Most game shows today don't have substitute hosts and work around the host's vacations or illnesses. For all we know, other hosts may have that clause in their contracts as well. Sure, Bob's 80 and more likely to have health problems, but on the other hand, TPIR is the one show for which we obsessively track the production schedule. If Jeopardy skipped a taping day because Alex wasn't feeling well, there wouldn't be nearly this much attention.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 09:11 AM\'] [quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 09:50 AM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 08:10 AM\'] Bob won't allow a sub host. [/quote]
That's just selfish. Pure and simple. Selfish to the crew, the contestants
and many others. Say what you will about Walter Cronkite's ego, but when he
got sick or went on vacation, did The CBS Evening News go on as
scheduled anyway? It did. Did CBS have to plug in a rerun? It did not.
They just called up Roger Mudd or Mike Wallace or whoever and the
show went on. Bob needs to get over himself. [/quote]
I really don't see the big deal. Most game shows today don't have substitute hosts and work around the host's vacations or illnesses. For all we know, other hosts may have that clause in their contracts as well. Sure, Bob's 80 and more likely to have health problems, but on the other hand, TPIR is the one show for which we obsessively track the production schedule. If Jeopardy skipped a taping day because Alex wasn't feeling well, there wouldn't be nearly this much attention. [/quote]
Of course, Alex did miss a couple of tapings of TTTT and Mark Goodson found someone to fill in rather than cancel the tapings. (He looked in the mirror to find someone.)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 09:33 AM\'] [quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 09:11 AM\'] [quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 09:50 AM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 08:10 AM\'] Bob won't allow a sub host. [/quote]
That's just selfish. Pure and simple. Selfish to the crew, the contestants
and many others. Say what you will about Walter Cronkite's ego, but when he
got sick or went on vacation, did The CBS Evening News go on as
scheduled anyway? It did. Did CBS have to plug in a rerun? It did not.
They just called up Roger Mudd or Mike Wallace or whoever and the
show went on. Bob needs to get over himself. [/quote]
I really don't see the big deal. Most game shows today don't have substitute hosts and work around the host's vacations or illnesses. For all we know, other hosts may have that clause in their contracts as well. Sure, Bob's 80 and more likely to have health problems, but on the other hand, TPIR is the one show for which we obsessively track the production schedule. If Jeopardy skipped a taping day because Alex wasn't feeling well, there wouldn't be nearly this much attention. [/quote]
Of course, Alex did miss a couple of tapings of TTTT and Mark Goodson found someone to fill in rather than cancel the tapings. (He looked in the mirror to find someone.) [/quote]
Good point. Better to have The Best Of Bob than to have a one-hour recreation of The Syd Vinnedge Comedy Routine.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 06:10 AM\'] part of his contract IIRC says no one will sub host. [/quote]
I would love to see proof of this. Did you help draft the contract, Zach?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 11:30 AM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 06:10 AM\'] part of his contract IIRC says no one will sub host. [/quote]
I would love to see proof of this. Did you help draft the contract, Zach? [/quote]
I think it's an unwritten part of his contract, but it is there. Bob's ego, as someone stated earlier in this thread.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 09:47 AM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 11:30 AM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 06:10 AM\'] part of his contract IIRC says no one will sub host. [/quote]
I would love to see proof of this. Did you help draft the contract, Zach? [/quote]
I think it's an unwritten part of his contract, but it is there. Bob's ego, as someone stated earlier in this thread. [/quote]
Exactly my point. If it's unwritten, then it ISN'T there, and you're speaking ex rectum.
And you know it, since you've edited the questionable content out of the original message.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 12:47 PM\'] I think it's an unwritten part of his contract, but it is there. [/quote]
Zach, this is gibberish even for you. Something is either in a contract or it's not in a contract. There may be an unwritten understanding, or an unwritten agreement (and there almost certainly is in this case) but there's no such thing as an unwritten part of a contract, much less one that's definitely "there".
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"An oral agreement isn't worth the paper it's printed on."
-- Samuel Goldwyn.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 06:35 AM\'] Obviously, with the shows not being taped this week, 6000 wouldn't tape on 2/17. [/quote]
And back to the original topic, as Mr. Bogart has noted, 2/17 was set to be #6,000. As I reported on Golden-Road, CBS has apparantly requested that the 6,000th Show tape out of order. It has been moved back to tape on 2/19.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 12:43 PM\'][quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 06:35 AM\'] Obviously, with the shows not being taped this week, 6000 wouldn't tape on 2/17. [/quote]
And back to the original topic, as Mr. Bogart has noted, 2/17 was set to be #6,000. As I reported on Golden-Road, CBS has apparantly requested that the 6,000th Show tape out of order. It has been moved back to tape on 2/19.[/quote]
Which means when that show tapes it still won't "officially" be 6000.
Chances are good that they will do another all-car show.
I was told since people expect it (because of precedent), they will probably do it.
Though, I wouldn't expect retrospective clips.
John, do you have any personal connection with the show/CBS?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 09:33 AM\'] [quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 09:11 AM\'] If Jeopardy skipped a taping day because Alex wasn't feeling well, there wouldn't be nearly this much attention. [/quote]
Of course, Alex did miss a couple of tapings of TTTT and Mark Goodson found someone to fill in rather than cancel the tapings. (He looked in the mirror to find someone.) [/quote]
In that instance, weren't they in the middle of taping a week's worth of shows when Trebek's wife went into labor? Big difference if you've already got everybody there from cancelling a day or two in advance.
If an on-air personality realizes they're a bit under the weather during a taping, most of them tough it out. We saw Pat Sajak all but lose his voice a few seasons ago (to the point where Pat and Vanna switched places during the bonus round).
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I remember that around the late 70's when Bob Barker was either ill or injured, the people in the audience were informed of a sub host. All the people were outraged over not having Bob Barker that day because he never missed a show (didn't see or remember Dennis James), that the staff told everyone to leave!
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Was that sub-host Dennis James, or was it someone else? I would assume someone else, if this was the late 70's, as James left after 1976.
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[quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 12:59 PM\']I remember that around the late 70's when Bob Barker was either ill or injured, the people in the audience were informed of a sub host. All the people were outraged over not having Bob Barker that day because he never missed a show (didn't see or remember Dennis James), that the staff told everyone to leave![/quote]
If this happened in the late '70s it was because Dennis James was no longer available as a fill-in emcee, not because the audience was outraged.
Nowadays there is still no alternate emcee available to fill in on a moment's notice, so the only option is to cancel the taping. If Barker were out for an extended period they might be able to press Tom Kennedy into service, but I doubt they would.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 02:54 PM\'] If Barker were out for an extended period they might be able to press Tom Kennedy into service, but I doubt they would. [/quote]
I agree, never happen, but damn, wouldn't that rule. :)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 09:11 AM\'] If Jeopardy skipped a taping day because Alex wasn't feeling well, there wouldn't be nearly this much attention.[/quote]
Well, he *almost* missed a taping day this week--but if the accident was much worse than it was, all Friedman would've done is postpone the taping to another date. No doubt they have enough shows in the can that it wouldn't hurt at all--the only potential problem is when they *don't* have enough shows in the can to work around it. That's when they would get a fill-in--and there's already another thread about *that* right now.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 04:54 PM\'] [quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 12:59 PM\']I remember that around the late 70's when Bob Barker was either ill or injured, the people in the audience were informed of a sub host. All the people were outraged over not having Bob Barker that day because he never missed a show (didn't see or remember Dennis James), that the staff told everyone to leave![/quote]
If this happened in the late '70s it was because Dennis James was no longer available as a fill-in emcee, not because the audience was outraged.
Nowadays there is still no alternate emcee available to fill in on a moment's notice, so the only option is to cancel the taping. If Barker were out for an extended period they might be able to press Tom Kennedy into service, but I doubt they would. [/quote]
Poor Tom -- he'd be the guy producers turn to when their hosts are sick or dying. (Although technically Dick Gautier replaced the dying host on It's Your Bet; Kennedy replaced him.)
I don't think Kennedy would want this -- I just went halfway through Brad Francini's web site (http://\"http://www.gscentral.net\") of TPIR pricing games -- of the 50 games A-M, Kennedy did 25, one's since been retired, and there are 15 new ones in rotation. Imagine learning 15 new games and relearning 24 old ones when you haven't hosted a game in 17 years and you're in your 70s.
They'd probably put the show in reruns for awhile, and Todd Newton would get 24-hour training if it appeared Barker would be out for a long time.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 11:41 AM\'] If an on-air personality realizes they're a bit under the weather during a taping, most of them tough it out. We saw Pat Sajak all but lose his voice a few seasons ago (to the point where Pat and Vanna switched places during the bonus round). [/quote]
Regis was losing his voice on an episode of WWTBaM? one time. The contestant was proficient in ASL (American Sign Language), so she taught Regis a few words, and for the first five questions, Regis asked for final answers and declared right ones in sign language. Then during commercial, Davies told him to knock it off, I guess.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 06:20 PM\'] [/QUOTE]
Poor Tom -- he'd be the guy producers turn to when their hosts are sick or dying. (Although technically Dick Gautier replaced the dying host on It's Your Bet; Kennedy replaced him.)
I don't think Kennedy would want this -- I just went halfway through Brad Francini's web site (http://\"http://www.gscentral.net\") of TPIR pricing games -- of the 50 games A-M, Kennedy did 25, one's since been retired, and there are 15 new ones in rotation. Imagine learning 15 new games and relearning 24 old ones when you haven't hosted a game in 17 years and you're in your 70s.
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Even Tom gets sick occassionally though, that's how Jamie Farr became a network game show host for a few days.
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Lets see, Pearson/Fremantle comes in, model position now in permanent rotation, a different announcer every once in a while (ends eventually), and now some of you want a host subbing for Bob? Won't work on "Price" nowadays!
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 06:20 PM\']I don't think Kennedy would want this -- I just went halfway through Brad Francini's web site (http://\"http://www.gscentral.net\") of TPIR pricing games -- of the 50 games A-M, Kennedy did 25, one's since been retired, and there are 15 new ones in rotation. Imagine learning 15 new games and relearning 24 old ones when you haven't hosted a game in 17 years and you're in your 70s.[/quote]
I once mentioned that Tom Kennedy seemed lost at times probably because he had so many games to remember.
I was told that they only used a small (relatively speaking) rotation of games.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 3 2004, 03:04 PM\']All shows for The Price Is Right for the week of February 2nd to February 5th have been cancelled.[/quote]
I was there on Monday. They told us right after all the name tags were handed out. The pages had been cracking jokes all morning, so we all thought it was a joke at first. One lovely young lady who was wearing a t-shirt indicating that it was her 18th birthday was even in tears.
Oh well, at least I got a TPiR name tag (and an excuse to go back to California!).
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If Barker were out for an extended period they could also press one of the Reno emcees into service. Now THAT would be interesting.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 08:50 AM\'] That's just selfish. Pure and simple. Selfish to the crew, the contestants
and many others. Say what you will about Walter Cronkite's ego, but when he
got sick or went on vacation, did The CBS Evening News go on as
scheduled anyway? It did. Did CBS have to plug in a rerun? It did not.
They just called up Roger Mudd or Mike Wallace or whoever and the
show went on. Bob needs to get over himself. [/quote]
A point not addressed -- the CBS Evening News airs live (or nearly live) every night. The days of live TV where game shows are concerned are long-since past, other than the novelty act. There's no need for a sub host.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 01:06 AM\']If Barker were out for an extended period they could also press one of the Reno emcees into service. Now THAT would be interesting.[/quote]
Probably not so much a problem if Newton got the call, considering the time he's been spending over at 33 (and he supposedly has been watching the show since--everyone--he was a kid).
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[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 01:39 PM\'] [quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 08:50 AM\'] That's just selfish. Pure and simple. Selfish to the crew, the contestants
and many others. Say what you will about Walter Cronkite's ego, but when he
got sick or went on vacation, did The CBS Evening News go on as
scheduled anyway? It did. Did CBS have to plug in a rerun? It did not.
They just called up Roger Mudd or Mike Wallace or whoever and the
show went on. Bob needs to get over himself. [/quote]
A point not addressed -- the CBS Evening News airs live (or nearly live) every night. The days of live TV where game shows are concerned are long-since past, other than the novelty act. There's no need for a sub host. [/quote]
Right. Somebody's got to do The CBS Evening News, be it Dan Rather, John Roberts, Walter Cronkite, Arnold Zenker, or Rudy from the mailroom.
But they have some flexibility with TPIR. Yeah, a few union guys are going to get paid without shows being produced, and a lot of people who waited to get into 33 are going to be disappointed, but there won't be an hour of dead air.
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Johnny Carson then. If a rerun wasn't scheduled and Carson fell ill, the nod would have gone to Jay Leno or Joan Rivers or David Brenner or Garry Shandling or whoever.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 04:53 PM\'] Johnny Carson then. If a rerun wasn't scheduled and Carson fell ill, the nod would have gone to Jay Leno or Joan Rivers or David Brenner or Garry Shandling or whoever. [/quote]
The analogy between Carson's Tonight Show and today's TPIR isn't particularly apt either, I'm afraid. Carson routinely used guest hosts (Leno and Rivers were the *regular* guest hosts in their time, but before that a wide variety of folks would step in) so seeing a guest host step in because of illness wouldn't be all that unusual.
Even after reruns became a possibility, the Tonight Show was considered something fresh and topical every day (the way the Today Show is still viewed) so having a guest host come in, even at the last minute, was preferable to showing a "Best Of". By comparison, there's just no burning *need* to produce a TPIR if Bob can't make it. All you have are a couple hundred disappointed fans, many of whom would probably be just as disapponted with a replacement host.
*Could* it be done? Of course. And given that they'll have to pick a replacement at some point, there's even a certain amount of logic to doing so. But if Bob objects, it's not worth the fuss.
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There are dozens of fannies at CBS News who could sit in Rather's chair for 30 minutes for an evening or three and rattle copy off the prompter (the name Bob Schieffer comes to mind). Anchoring a newscast is such a generic job that there are lots of people who could fill in. Expecting someone to learn, say, 30 pricing games -- enough to get through a week without repeating a game -- plus One Bid and SS and be good at all of them, then expect that person to sit home every taping day waiting for the phone to ring is a different proposition. This makes the proposition of a Barker fill-in trickier, but not impossible with the Reno guys around.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 04:43 PM\'] Expecting someone to learn, say, 30 pricing games -- enough to get through a week without repeating a game -- plus One Bid and SS and be good at all of them, then expect that person to sit home every taping day waiting for the phone to ring is a different proposition. This makes the proposition of a Barker fill-in trickier, but not impossible with the Reno guys around. [/quote]
I don't think the Reno shows are using all the games ... which means Todd Newton and the other guy (HELP, RANDY, NAME?) could fill in, but they might be limited in what they could present during that time.
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 07:06 PM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 04:43 PM\'] Expecting someone to learn, say, 30 pricing games -- enough to get through a week without repeating a game -- plus One Bid and SS and be good at all of them, then expect that person to sit home every taping day waiting for the phone to ring is a different proposition. This makes the proposition of a Barker fill-in trickier, but not impossible with the Reno guys around. [/quote]
I don't think the Reno shows are using all the games ... which means Todd Newton and the other guy (HELP, RANDY, NAME?) could fill in, but they might be limited in what they could present during that time. [/quote]
The ones I know of are Plinko and Hole in One (which actually has a smaller hole than the daytime game)
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 07:06 PM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 04:43 PM\'] Expecting someone to learn, say, 30 pricing games -- enough to get through a week without repeating a game -- plus One Bid and SS and be good at all of them, then expect that person to sit home every taping day waiting for the phone to ring is a different proposition. This makes the proposition of a Barker fill-in trickier, but not impossible with the Reno guys around. [/quote]
I don't think the Reno shows are using all the games ... which means Todd Newton and the other guy (HELP, RANDY, NAME?) could fill in, but they might be limited in what they could present during that time. [/quote]
I wonder if there is a game show host who is a fan of game shows, somebody who knows how to explain all the pricing games without a run-through? What Barker needs is somebody who is not after his job to fill in, Doug Davidson is right across the hall. From what I remember the other Reno hosts are or were Chris Harrison and Jeff Trachta.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 03:32 PM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 01:06 AM\']If Barker were out for an extended period they could also press one of the Reno emcees into service. Now THAT would be interesting.[/quote]
Probably not so much a problem if Newton got the call, considering the time he's been spending over at 33 (and he supposedly has been watching the show since--everyone--he was a kid). [/quote]
I believe Newton is 34, meaning he wasn't older than 3 when CBS TPIR began.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 07:17 PM\']
I wonder if there is a game show host who is a fan of game shows, somebody who knows how to explain all the pricing games without a run-through? What Barker needs is somebody who is not after his job to fill in, Doug Davidson is right across the hall. From what I remember the other Reno hosts are or were Chris Harrison and Jeff Trachta. [/quote]
Doug D. does of course have experience hosting TPIR(and The Price WAS RIght from his version plays like the one bid does). Doug, on the other hand, didn't preside over every pricing game the daytime TPIR has(though they did use games not part of the 70s or 80s syndicated TPIR rotation which were in the rotation at the time on Daytime TPIR). Then of course, how rusty are his TPIR hosting skills after a decade(some would argue they were rusty then).
How is Chris Harrison doing as a host on the Reno TPIR anyway? He was fair on Mall Masters, granted the show wasn't all that exciting to begin with.
A real dark horse candidate I know, but many of us would LOVE to see Geoff Edwards do TPIR.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 01:06 AM\'] If Barker were out for an extended period they could also press one of the Reno emcees into service. Now THAT would be interesting. [/quote]
I dunno, from what I have seen of Janet in recent years on the news, I can't see her get too excited about anything -- One-Bids, Plinko, Double Showcase Wins,...
;-D
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 05:18 PM\'] And given that they'll have to pick a replacement at some point, there's even a certain amount of logic to doing so. But if Bob objects, it's not worth the fuss. [/quote]
Okay. UNCLE! I see I'm alone in this compulsion to designate a sub host so before I get too far in my written rampage, I'll throw the white flag. Bob is of the all-time greats. By no means do I challenge that. Given his position, I suppose I'd want to keep my name and face out there, too, so I do see his side in this. Moving on now.
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I suspect many of the "big deal the show was cancelled" opinions are those who've seen the taping many times, and who live in the area.
As someone who took special vacation days, drove thousands of miles and tented in freezing weather just to get to see the show, I'd have been *devastated* had they cancelled the taping.
Sure, missing Bob and getting a sub would have been disappointing, but that would be nothing compared to an outright cancellation.
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[quote name=\'Gromit\' date=\'Feb 6 2004, 04:22 AM\'] I suspect many of the "big deal the show was cancelled" opinions are those who've seen the taping many times, and who live in the area.
As someone who took special vacation days, drove thousands of miles and tented in freezing weather just to get to see the show, I'd have been *devastated* had they cancelled the taping.
Sure, missing Bob and getting a sub would have been disappointing, but that would be nothing compared to an outright cancellation. [/quote]
While I can certainly feel your theoretical pain, the point is that when the producers of a network television program are considering what's in the best interest of their television program, a handful of fans being "devastated" just isn't high on their priority list.
In other words, yes it would be a miserable experience for you and your fellow fans, and I'm sure there were probably some people just like you who actually were devastated when this week's shows were cancelled. But that alone is not remotely a good enough reason to have a substitute host standing by.
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[quote name=\'Gromit\' date=\'Feb 6 2004, 01:22 AM\'] As someone who took special vacation days, drove thousands of miles and tented in freezing weather just to get to see the show, I'd have been *devastated* had they cancelled the taping.
Sure, missing Bob and getting a sub would have been disappointing, but that would be nothing compared to an outright cancellation. [/quote]
Then you need to get out more. Bottom line.
Sorry, no sympathy from here. When you make this pilgrimage to Studio 33, or in fact to any live event, you do so with the knowledge that something might Go Down that causes the cancellation of the event.
In this case, I have even less sympathy than usual, because you are in Hollywood. There is LOTS TO SEE AND DO in Hollywood. Yes, you didn't get to see TPiR. Waah. Check out the Walk Of Fame. Eat a Tommyburger. Didja know that the Sunset Grill that Don Henley made famous in song is a teeny little walkup stand? Good lord, I was hanging out in the Guitar Center on Sunset once when Sherman Hemsley walked in, flanked on either side with bodyguards. (No, he doesn't walk like George Jefferson in real life.)
Man, save "devistation" for the loss of a pet or a loved one, or your girlfriend dumping you. Missing out on a game-show taping is not cause for "devistation."
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 07:20 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 03:32 PM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 01:06 AM\']If Barker were out for an extended period they could also press one of the Reno emcees into service. Now THAT would be interesting.[/quote]
Probably not so much a problem if Newton got the call, considering the time he's been spending over at 33 (and he supposedly has been watching the show since--everyone--he was a kid). [/quote]
I believe Newton is 34, meaning he wasn't older than 3 when CBS TPIR began.[/quote]
*Studio* 33, Zach. *Studio* 33. Despite the signs, that's what everyone at TV City still calls the place when Barker's not within earshot.
And I would be disappointed but understanding if Barker had to cancel, just as I'm sure the people who witnessed the snowboarding accident on Letterman last night understood when the taping was called off early. These things do happen.
Last year, I made plans to go to Washington, D.C. to see a certain jazz musician from Germany at the Kennedy Center's Mary Lou Williams Festival. With tickets and hotel all set up, I find out a few days beforehand that she cancelled (probably due to the SARS scare). I went to Washington and saw the performance anyway. Enjoyed the evening and her replacement, although I most likely would've it enjoyed it more if she were there. But in this case, there were other performers on the bill and the show went on. Didn't stop me from having a good time in Washington for the weekend.
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Agreed. One time I had a vacation in Boston, bought tickets to see the Brewers (back when they were merely mediocre) play the Red Sox at Fenway Park. Rainout, of course. So I looked in the paper, and darned if the Boston Pops weren't playing that night, with John Williams conducting. Not a bad backup plan.
When life throws you a lemon...
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A couple of points:
TPIR can be indefinately held up on taping. They have what 32 years of shows in the can? They can play back the last 2 or so years without anyone really noticing (Other than Rod being on many of them)
I went to TPIR. I had a backup plan if I didn't get into the show. I had tickets for Wayne Brady and Kilbourn, so I was ready if I couldn't get into 33. (I nearly didn't get in, I got #325)
If you're going to see The Price Is Right in person, always have a backup plan. Going to see Wayne Brady (while still in production), Craig, or even *gasp* a show at another studio (eg, Feud, Pyramid, or so on), its not as much as a disappointment. Trust me on this.
I went to Wayne Brady the next day and it was a lot of fun, sure it wasn't TPIR, but what *is*?
On a side note, who is going to announce TPIR #6,000?
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...and to answer that side-note question of who's going to announce show #6000, the one that's soon to be Price's new announcer (ok, Randy).
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The only person that might have a reason to be disappointed is Roger Rose. He probably had some good topical humor for the warmup that will go unheard.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 6 2004, 11:12 AM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 07:20 PM\'][quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 03:32 PM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 5 2004, 01:06 AM\']If Barker were out for an extended period they could also press one of the Reno emcees into service. Now THAT would be interesting.[/quote]
Probably not so much a problem if Newton got the call, considering the time he's been spending over at 33 (and he supposedly has been watching the show since--everyone--he was a kid). [/quote]
I believe Newton is 34, meaning he wasn't older than 3 when CBS TPIR began.[/quote]
*Studio* 33, Zach. *Studio* 33. Despite the signs, that's what everyone at TV City still calls the place when Barker's not within earshot. [/quote]
Zach may have been referring to the "since he was a kid" part of your post. At least, that's how I interpreted it. Your mileage may vary. Use only as directed.
Doug -- celebrating 350 posts (just for the heck of it)
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Feb 6 2004, 05:47 PM\']
*Studio* 33, Zach. *Studio* 33. Despite the signs, that's what everyone at TV City still calls the place when Barker's not within earshot. [/QUOTE]
Zach may have been referring to the "since he was a kid" part of your post. At least, that's how I interpreted it. Your mileage may vary. Use only as directed.
Doug -- celebrating 350 posts (just for the heck of it) [/quote]
Yes that is what I was referring to, the approximate age of Todd.
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[quote name=\'Gromit\' date=\'Feb 6 2004, 03:22 AM\'] I suspect many of the "big deal the show was cancelled" opinions are those who've seen the taping many times, and who live in the area.
As someone who took special vacation days, drove thousands of miles and tented in freezing weather just to get to see the show, I'd have been *devastated* had they cancelled the taping.
Sure, missing Bob and getting a sub would have been disappointing, but that would be nothing compared to an outright cancellation. [/quote]
Cancelling Price at the last minute to the dismay of 300-some-odd potential contestants who waited hours in line before the show was to air is not much different than the other 100+ people who did the same thing, slept in a little later and wound up in the stand-by lines.
No one is ever guaranteed to see an episode on any given day, regardless if they are VIPs, tour bus trippers, or people who wrote in for tickets & planned their vacations around the show. Same thing goes for any other TV show taping.
On the flip side of the Penny Ante coin, I think most people who come to see Price wouldn't really care *who* was emceeing the show, despite the throngs of Pro-Bob T-shirts. Getting called down and winning $25,000 in cash or prizes on the show is not going to feel any different if I won it from Bob, Todd Newton, Randy West or whomever had to fill in at the last minute...
..Then again, if it was a Barker's Beauty -- past or present -- who was filling-in, I may have to issue a retraction on my last paragraph!!! ;-)
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' date=\'Feb 6 2004, 01:44 PM\']
If you're going to see The Price Is Right in person, always have a backup plan. Going to see Wayne Brady (while still in production), Craig, or even *gasp* a show at another studio (eg, Feud, Pyramid, or so on), its not as much as a disappointment. Trust me on this.
I went to Wayne Brady the next day and it was a lot of fun, sure it wasn't TPIR, but what *is*?
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This comes from recent past experience:
If you are a TRUE Price fan, you would plan to see Price at the BEGINNING of your trip to L.A. (For those who come from the East Coast, you'll truly understand this reasoning in more ways than one), during a time when multiple tapings were still ahead of you when you are out there.
If you can't get in on the first try, stop at the little ticket booth at the gate and pick up tickets for the next abvailable taping and plan accordingly -- even if you are near the first stand-by section. I would much rather spend that 5 or 6 hour sit-a-thon on sightseeing than finding out you missed getting in by 3 people, then waiting in line all over again the next time.
My wife & I did that, wound up going to Palm Springs, got our Price fix at the casinos there, and came back 2 days later, got in, got called, and won some lovely parting gifts.
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[quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Feb 6 2004, 01:32 PM\'] When life throws you a lemon... [/quote]
I didn't think throwing Chris Lemon was legal.
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I think it is way too early for a sub host. TPIR is a tough show to get right with the large rotation. This was the right decision, albeit a tough one. I personally would NOT want to sit through a Marc Summers or Todd Newton trying to get through close to 50 pricing games or to have the staff tighten up the rotation to make the guy's life easier (Fremantle dream come true, a TPIR played with nothing but quickies, BRILLIANT!).
Of course if you do want someone expirienced there's always Doug Davidson ;) j/k :dodges flying tomatoes: :runs to the Split Decision room:
However at Bob's age I would reccommend him hire a Todd Newton or Marc Summers to become his understudy because this would most likely need one as things go forward in his advanced age. Of course this comes close to a "life without Bob" thread and well we've had some doozies of those in the history of this boards.
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Oh, come on. Million of viewers have memorized the games, why can't aspiring game show hosts figure them out?
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Let's not forget that several shows were cancelled in 2002 due to Barker's prostate procedure.
Several shows were also cancelled in 1999 due to his Cartoid Artery surgery.
Maybe this is different because he should tough this flu out?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 04:54 PM\'] [quote name=\'GSWitch\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 12:59 PM\']I remember that around the late 70's when Bob Barker was either ill or injured, the people in the audience were informed of a sub host. All the people were outraged over not having Bob Barker that day because he never missed a show (didn't see or remember Dennis James), that the staff told everyone to leave![/quote]
If this happened in the late '70s it was because Dennis James was no longer available as a fill-in emcee, not because the audience was outraged.
Nowadays there is still no alternate emcee available to fill in on a moment's notice, so the only option is to cancel the taping. If Barker were out for an extended period they might be able to press Tom Kennedy into service, but I doubt they would. [/quote]
Are we all forgetting the fact that Bob DID MISS six weeks of tapings in late 2002 after his prostate surgery. I, for one, had tickets to the show in July 2002, but didn't buy the airfare. Good thing I didn't, they had cancelled them just in time(for my sake too) so I didn't go all the way to LA for nothing.
Hey, Randy hosting TPIR? Might work! Todd for announcer? Maybe! But I think the other way around might be the best!
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[quote name=\'Fedya\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 07:33 AM\'] [quote name=\'DrBear\' date=\'Feb 6 2004, 01:32 PM\'] When life throws you a lemon... [/quote]
I didn't think throwing Chris Lemon was legal. [/quote]
I've seen me inna mirror. I didn't think it was POSSIBLE! :)
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 4 2004, 04:54 PM\'] Nowadays there is still no alternate emcee available to fill in on a moment's notice, so the only option is to cancel the taping. If Barker were out for an extended period they might be able to press Tom Kennedy into service, but I doubt they would. [/quote]
Barker was out for an extended period in the fall of '99 and the only thing that they did was have at least one week of reruns each month through the rest of the season so they could have enough shows to last them for the rest of the season.
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[quote name=\'passwordplus\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 01:10 PM\'] Hey, Randy hosting TPIR? Might work! Todd for announcer? Maybe! But I think the other way around might be the best! [/quote]
Which begs the question....with Bob showing signs of failing health more and more, can the show work with an occasional guest host?
In a saying that goes back to Shakespeare, and repeated by people like Merv Griffin, "The play's the thing."
As long as people continue to enjoy The Price is Right's basic concept of guessing the costs of items [mostly without going over], and as long as whoever guest-hosts for Bob or takes over on Bob's retirement or passing understands all of the show's on-air details, I don't think it should matter who's hosting it.
After all, didn't Wheel survive when Chuck and Susan were, eventually, replaced by Pat and Vanna?
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Everyone here is assuming the Reno emcees know only the pricing games they need to know for Reno. Perhaps there have been closed-door run-thrus we don't know about and Todd Newton can rattle off the Five Price Tags language in his sleep.
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[quote name=\'passwordplus\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 01:10 PM\'] [Are we all forgetting the fact that Bob DID MISS six weeks of tapings in late 2002 after his prostate surgery. I, for one, had tickets to the show in July 2002, but didn't buy the airfare].
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Which date(s) did you have tickets for? The same exact thing happened to me, too. I sent away for a ticket for the July 15th, 2002 taping (my birthday), recieved it a WEEK AND A HALF before I was supposed to fly out, only to see on golden-road.net that my taping was cancelled. I'm glad that I didn't purchase the airfare, either.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 10:14 PM\'] Everyone here is assuming the Reno emcees know only the pricing games they need to know for Reno. Perhaps there have been closed-door run-thrus we don't know about and Todd Newton can rattle off the Five Price Tags language in his sleep. [/quote]
Any host who would even be considered for TPIR would have to have at least seen the show. Not only that, Tom Kennedy *is* available if they need someone to guide a new host on short notice (he's pretty familiar with most of the games they played in 1985, most of which are still played today)
The thing is that if they had to replace Bob on the short term, they'd keep the rotation greatly limited so that the person filling in wouldn't have to know every game from the start.
Most of the games on TPIR are simple enough if you've seen the show a few times, the producers can make life easier.
The point also is that at the Reno show, yeah, they are likely also planning new and different games (because you can't play the same 6 over and over and over again) to rotate in as needed.
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The point also is that at the Reno show, yeah, they are likely also planning new and different games (because you can't play the same 6 over and over and over again) to rotate in as needed.
Ah, but you can because you don't have a repeat audience every night. Also, if they take the stage show around outside of Reno, more games translate to more freight to haul around. No one knows this better than Barker himself who had his Fun and Games Show of which this is a replica.
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Speaking of which, I wonder if Bob's still doing his Fun & Games shows? I haven't heard him mentioned that in recent years.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 10:13 AM\'] Maybe this is different because he should tough this flu out? [/quote]
He should absolutely not work despite the flu. We certainly don't want Bob asking to see the next item up for bids only to have him barf all over the stage. But having an understudy on stand-by in the event of a last-minute cancellation isn't the worst idea.
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Maybe have no host at all and just cut in tapes of Barker in post for air. An unseen stand-in could direct the procedings on stage when Bob's gone and Bob could reenact the show at his leisure.
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[quote name=\'Craig Karlberg\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 04:39 AM\'] Speaking of which, I wonder if Bob's still doing his Fun & Games shows? I haven't heard him mentioned that in recent years. [/quote]
He stopped doing those at some point in the 80s(don't recall when though)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 09:16 AM\'] Maybe have no host at all and just cut in tapes of Barker in post for air. An unseen stand-in could direct the procedings on stage when Bob's gone and Bob could reenact the show at his leisure. [/quote]
Like baseball game reenactments of the 1930s and 1940s.
Ironically, this would work just fine with some shows where the host and players are rarely seen in the same camera shots (it would be a snap to do this on Jeopardy!, for example), but given how often Bob is shown with the contestants, I would think this would be next to impossible here.
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Here's another name to throw out who has done his share of game shows as a guest and has 20 years of hosting experience(albeit not on game shows): Levar Burton. A lot of the college aged crowd will remember him for his hosting of PBS's Reading Rainbow(which I believe is still in production, but in danger of being cancelled due to lack of financial backing). Plus, he's only in his mid-to-late 40s I think. Anyone think he might work as a host or sub-host for TPIR(or anything else)?
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 09:47 AM\'] Plus, he's only in his mid-to-late 40s I think. Anyone think he might work as a host or sub-host for TPIR(or anything else)? [/quote]
Only if it meant we'd see Patrick Stewart on Pyramid, starting HIS OWN Winner's Circle.
"Engage."
In other words, no.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 07:28 AM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 10:13 AM\'] Maybe this is different because he should tough this flu out? [/quote]
He should absolutely not work despite the flu. We certainly don't want Bob asking to see the next item up for bids only to have him barf all over the stage. But having an understudy on stand-by in the event of a last-minute cancellation isn't the worst idea. [/quote]
For an 80-year-old, the flu is FAR MORE SERIOUS than it is for you and me. It can even result in fatal complications.
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[quote name=\'drmusic_99\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 12:35 PM\'] [quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 07:28 AM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 8 2004, 10:13 AM\'] Maybe this is different because he should tough this flu out? [/quote]
He should absolutely not work despite the flu. We certainly don't want Bob asking to see the next item up for bids only to have him barf all over the stage. But having an understudy on stand-by in the event of a last-minute cancellation isn't the worst idea. [/quote]
For an 80-year-old, the flu is FAR MORE SERIOUS than it is for you and me. It can even result in fatal complications. [/quote]
Which is exactly why I agree that he should stay home and convalesce as I've said at least twice. What I was saying, as evidenced by the quoted material above, is that a sub should be on site for such an eventuality--not that Bob should show up no matter what.
By the way, LeVar did host Know Your Heritage on WGN-TV during the 1980s.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 07:28 AM\']We certainly don't want Bob asking to see the next item up for bids only to have him barf all over the stage.[/quote]
I wouldn't mind seeing that done on a few pricing games.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 11:03 AM\'] I wouldn't mind seeing that done on a few pricing games. [/quote]
"Okay! To win that dining room set, you're going to Pick A Number....{HUUUUUURK!!}"
"No, I don't think I am, Bob...."
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 01:18 PM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 11:03 AM\'] I wouldn't mind seeing that done on a few pricing games. [/quote]
"Okay! To win that dining room set, you're going to Pick A Number....{HUUUUUURK!!}"
"No, I don't think I am, Bob...." [/quote]
I was thinking more along the lines of Joker.
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a sub should be on site for such an eventuality--not that Bob should show up no matter what.
Personally I can't see $yd approving the bucks to have a fully-rehearsed emcee just sitting around. Besides, if it were one of the Reno emcees, how would they divide their time between Hollywood and Reno?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 03:08 PM\'] Besides, if it were one of the Reno emcees, how would they divide their time between Hollywood and Reno? [/quote]
Hollywood would probably be their priority.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 03:24 PM\'] [quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 03:08 PM\'] Besides, if it were one of the Reno emcees, how would they divide their time between Hollywood and Reno? [/quote]
Hollywood would probably be their priority. [/quote]
I dunno, you can make a lot of money in Reno.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 01:21 PM\'] [quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 01:18 PM\'] [quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 9 2004, 11:03 AM\'] I wouldn't mind seeing that done on a few pricing games. [/quote]
"Okay! To win that dining room set, you're going to Pick A Number....{HUUUUUURK!!}"
"No, I don't think I am, Bob...." [/quote]
I was thinking more along the lines of Joker. [/quote]
ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with Joker. Good game. (**Ducking for cover**...but I'm serious!)
And P.S. Bob is back in studio this week, all is well.
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[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' date=\'Feb 10 2004, 08:51 PM\'] ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with Joker. Good game. (**Ducking for cover**...but I'm serious!)
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You are entitled to that opinion. And I am entitled to ask you to pass that PHAT-AZZ blunt over here, because you are clearly HIGH as a KITE. ;)
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Were we back in the days with permanent models and a permanent announcer, I don't think there would be huge audience objection to having someone already associated with the show (meaning Rod or one of the Beauties) guest-hosting for a day or two. It's a bit trickier without either of those to fall back on. Randy and Burton's voices are well enough known, but I don't think their names or faces are recognizable enough to work. What really needs to be done is to slowly introduce a guest host, maybe just a one-bid/pricing game segment at a time (though I actually suspect that changing hosts in mid-stream, to mix a metaphor, would be way too awkward) for a few months before moving to entire episodes, to let both the public and the host accilmate, but I dobut Barker's ego would allow it.
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Did anyone notice the very familiar face in today's audience? (2/10 that is) Mr Todd Newton.
Draw some of your own conclusions.
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[quote name=\'Terry K\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 04:48 AM\'] Did anyone notice the very familiar face in today's audience? (2/10 that is) Mr Todd Newton.
Draw some of your own conclusions. [/quote]
He's been in the audience before.
So has David Ruprecht.
So have I.
Doesn't mean I want his job.
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 06:27 AM\'] [quote name=\'Terry K\' date=\'Feb 11 2004, 04:48 AM\'] Did anyone notice the very familiar face in today's audience? (2/10 that is) Mr Todd Newton.
Draw some of your own conclusions. [/quote]
He's been in the audience before.
So has David Ruprecht.
So have I.
Doesn't mean I want his job. [/quote]
Not that I have the talent (or the face or voice) to do it, but I certainly would give a lot of consideration to hosting Supermarket Sweep if asked. :-)