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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Adam Nedeff on May 01, 2004, 08:43:54 PM
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Tonight's TPIR special REALLLLLY pushed me over the line in terms of how I feel about Temptation, at first it only slightly annoyed me, but now it ticks me off all the time. Why? Because it is a magnet for contesttants who have never actually seen it and behave like idiots, screaming and raving (especially the wizard playing it tonight) just because the number they picked lights up, even when Bob has ALREADY explained that those numbers aren't necessarily right or wrong.
Possible solutions:
1. Remove the *ding* sound effect when a number lights up. It's a scientifically-proven fact that stupid people equate bells with correct answers, so either have no SFX when the numbers light up, or a more "neutral" sound (like the Bullseye "freezing window" sound or the H2 "wrong key removed" sound)
2. Remove the board altogether and just have Bob write the numbers with a dry-erase marker.
3. Have the "beauty" in charge of the prize and tag remove the number from the tag and post it on a board.
Any G-T staff members past or present on this board, has this EVER been discussed in a meeting? It happens so often that it seems some solutions must have been discussed and rejected by now.
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Of your suggestions, I think the best, and most feasible one is removing the sound effect.
On the other hand, there are a lot of games there that have a bell when an answer is given, whether or not it is right. Contestant's Row, Lucky Seven, Range Game, the list goes on.
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'May 1 2004, 08:43 PM\'] Tonight's TPIR special REALLLLLY pushed me over the line in terms of how I feel about Temptation, at first it only slightly annoyed me, but now it ticks me off all the time. Why? Because it is a magnet for contesttants who have never actually seen it and behave like idiots, screaming and raving (especially the wizard playing it tonight) just because the number they picked lights up, even when Bob has ALREADY explained that those numbers aren't necessarily right or wrong.
Possible solutions:
1. Remove the *ding* sound effect when a number lights up. It's a scientifically-proven fact that stupid people equate bells with correct answers, so either have no SFX when the numbers light up, or a more "neutral" sound (like the Bullseye "freezing window" sound or the H2 "wrong key removed" sound)
2. Remove the board altogether and just have Bob write the numbers with a dry-erase marker.
3. Have the "beauty" in charge of the prize and tag remove the number from the tag and post it on a board.
Any G-T staff members past or present on this board, has this EVER been discussed in a meeting? It happens so often that it seems some solutions must have been discussed and rejected by now. [/quote]
I don't think they are going to change anything for this game unless it becomes a habit for contestants to scream EVERY time the game is played (numbers light up).
And especially since Temptation is one of my favorite games, I don't want to see anything changed to it.
For those who don't know, Make Your Move used to have the colored numbers lit for the appropriate prize before the reveal. They changed it because when contestants saw it lit before the reveal, they had thought they won. And so did the audience.
So there is somewhat of a precedent, but I don't think a change is necessary.
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'May 1 2004, 07:43 PM\'] Tonight's TPIR special REALLLLLY pushed me over the line in terms of how I feel about Temptation, Because it is a magnet for contesttants who have never actually seen it and behave like idiots, screaming and raving (especially the wizard playing it tonight) [/quote]
Well people get caught up in the moment, so I'm not going to blame the guy. However I can see your point. Something could be done to prevent mistaken excitement. Then again something could be done to prevent people from going up the wrong set of stairs too, but the show doesn't seem to be in any rush to fix that either. I guess these problems are just looked at as minor annoyances. In other words...... "No Big Deal"
John
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'May 1 2004, 05:43 PM\'] It's a scientifically-proven fact that stupid people equate bells with correct answers [/quote]
It is? Please cite the study. They never seem to have a problem in Contestant's Row. They use the bell on billions of other games (Dice Game comes to mind) without issue.
Remove the board altogether and just have Bob write the numbers with a dry-erase marker.
Hey, while you're making the show look unbelievably cheap, why don't you replace those nice prizes with some grocery items? "We've given you $34.25 in valuable products...."
Have the "beauty" in charge of the prize and tag remove the number from the tag and post it on a board.
Only slightly less cheap.
Or - and here's an idea - pick some contestants with a clue instead of the first six fratboys and "BOB ROOLZ" T-shirt wearers that you see.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'May 1 2004, 08:12 PM\']
Or - and here's an idea - pick some contestants with a clue instead of the first six fratboys and "BOB ROOLZ" T-shirt wearers that you see. [/quote]
Not always easy to pick 9 people who will know every game in a 10 second interview. You take your chances. If you had the job Chris.... even you might pick an occasional dolt. Not that there is anything wrong with that. :-)
John
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[quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'May 1 2004, 06:17 PM\'] Not always easy to pick 9 people who will know every game in a 10 second interview. You take your chances. If you had the job Chris.... even you might pick an occasional dolt. Not that there is anything wrong with that. :-) [/quote]
I agree, but I think most would agree that if they focussed on who would make a good contestant over what group is visiting that day or who has the best T-shirt, they wouldn't pick the Mah-Rones nearly as often.
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[quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'May 1 2004, 09:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'May 1 2004, 07:43 PM\'] Tonight's TPIR special REALLLLLY pushed me over the line in terms of how I feel about Temptation, Because it is a magnet for contesttants who have never actually seen it and behave like idiots, screaming and raving (especially the wizard playing it tonight) [/quote]
Well people get caught up in the moment, so I'm not going to blame the guy. However I can see your point. Something could be done to prevent mistaken excitement. Then again something could be done to prevent people from going up the wrong set of stairs too, but the show doesn't seem to be in any rush to fix that either. I guess these problems are just looked at as minor annoyances. In other words...... "No Big Deal"
John [/quote]
Go ahead and blame him - Bob had already told him once (after his second guess) that all they were doing was putting his guesses on the board, and yet he continued to celebrate after each of the last two digits went up as well. Silly.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'May 1 2004, 09:30 PM\'][quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'May 1 2004, 06:17 PM\'] Not always easy to pick 9 people who will know every game in a 10 second interview. You take your chances. If you had the job Chris.... even you might pick an occasional dolt. Not that there is anything wrong with that. :-) [/quote]
I agree, but I think most would agree that if they focussed on who would make a good contestant over what group is visiting that day or who has the best T-shirt, they wouldn't pick the Mah-Rones nearly as often.[/quote]
People don't get chosen over what T-shirt they wear.
People get chosen because they seem like they would be a good contestant and they happened to be wearing a T-shirt.
Then people at home watching think they got chosen only because of the T-shirt, and next thing you know everybody's wearing one. Now your getting Mah-rones wearing T-shirts because everybody's (or at least most) wearing them.
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[quote name=\'massman1\' date=\'May 1 2004, 08:38 PM\']
Go ahead and blame him - Bob had already told him once (after his second guess) that all they were doing was putting his guesses on the board, and yet he continued to celebrate after each of the last two digits went up as well. Silly. [/quote]
I know... but he was to distracted by his friends in the audience to even hear Bob. He was a scatter brain with The Price Is Right version of A.D.D. ;-)
John
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'May 1 2004, 07:43 PM\'] Possible solutions:
1. Remove the *ding* sound effect when a number lights up. It's a scientifically-proven fact that stupid people equate bells with correct answers, so either have no SFX when the numbers light up, or a more "neutral" sound (like the Bullseye "freezing window" sound or the H2 "wrong key removed" sound)
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Dude, are you serious?
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In the UK Challenge are repeating the Bruce Forsyth era of TPIR. One episode had a old lady who was last to bid. The bell rang to signify that someone had got the exact price. Little old lady thought she had won. Lucky for her she was the player who bid exactly.
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[quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'May 1 2004, 06:43 PM\'] Tonight's TPIR special REALLLLLY pushed me over the line in terms of how I feel about Temptation, at first it only slightly annoyed me, but now it ticks me off all the time. Why? Because it is a magnet for contestants who have never actually seen it and behave like idiots, screaming and raving (especially the wizard playing it tonight) just because the number they picked lights up, even when Bob has ALREADY explained that those numbers aren't necessarily right or wrong. [/quote]
Yet, this was the SAME GUY who didn't figure out what those handles on the side of the wheel were for.
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OK. Call me crazy...
Ben Stein's Audience: YOU'RE CRAZY!!
...but I think part of the confusion lies within Bob automatically revealing the digit in the 10,000's place of the car's price ("the first number", for those of you in Magee).
True, we see that first number in the top and bottom rows of the Temptation board before the first gift is even rolled out. But, I think if Bob offered a total of five gifts -- one for each of the five digits in the car's ARP -- *and* not reveal any numbers in the bottom row (making up the ARP) until the contestant decides to "go for broke" or take all the gifts and stop, that might solve the problem.
Other solution: give the Temptation board a slight makeover with something like "Your Bid" on the top row and "Car's/Truck's/Van's/whatever's Actual Retail Price" on the bottom; leave everything else alone.
And if those still don't solve the problem -- eh, time to put the game in the retirement home along with Penny Ante.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'May 1 2004, 09:12 PM\'] [quote name=\'Adam Nedeff\' date=\'May 1 2004, 05:43 PM\'] It's a scientifically-proven fact that stupid people equate bells with correct answers [/quote]
It is? Please cite the study. [/quote]
I did a Pavlovian response test with my dogs. Everything worked fine until they ate the Avon lady.
<LOVE> that joke, and the kids here don't even get it.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'May 3 2004, 10:48 AM\']I did a Pavlovian response test with my dogs. Everything worked fine until they ate the Avon lady.
<LOVE> that joke, and the kids here don't even get it.[/quote]
Oh, we *got* it ... we just didn't *want* it! :-p
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Maybe it would have worked better as "Everything worked fine until they ate the BLANK."
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[quote name=\'cmjb13\' date=\'May 1 2004, 08:41 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'May 1 2004, 09:30 PM\'][quote name=\'Skynet74\' date=\'May 1 2004, 06:17 PM\'] Not always easy to pick 9 people who will know every game in a 10 second interview. You take your chances. If you had the job Chris.... even you might pick an occasional dolt. Not that there is anything wrong with that. :-) [/quote]
I agree, but I think most would agree that if they focussed on who would make a good contestant over what group is visiting that day or who has the best T-shirt, they wouldn't pick the Mah-Rones nearly as often.[/quote]
People don't get chosen over what T-shirt they wear.
People get chosen because they seem like they would be a good contestant and they happened to be wearing a T-shirt.
Then people at home watching think they got chosen only because of the T-shirt, and next thing you know everybody's wearing one. Now your getting Mah-rones wearing T-shirts because everybody's (or at least most) wearing them.[/quote]
Which is exactly how the whole routine with the costumes on "LMAD" got started.
Think Rog would have the guts to start putting on the tickets "NO COSTUMES OR *ANY* T SHIRTS CONTAINING MESSAGES?" Barker *does* love to be adored.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 3 2004, 04:35 PM\']
Then people at home watching think they got chosen only because of the T-shirt, and next thing you know everybody's wearing one. Now your getting Mah-rones wearing T-shirts because everybody's (or at least most) wearing them.[/QUOTE]
Which is exactly how the whole routine with the costumes on "LMAD" got started.
Think Rog would have the guts to start putting on the tickets "NO COSTUMES OR *ANY* T SHIRTS CONTAINING MESSAGES?" Barker *does* love to be adored. [/quote]
I think contestant selection tilted favoring folks in specially made shirts a long time ago. I think it's silly, and I for one would LOVE to see Roger ban it from the show. Give me contestants who display during the quickie-interview that they know Price is Right...
I can't help but think about the first episode, with a male contestant in a full suit! Man, has TPIR times changed!
ms
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THey don't even ask if you know TPIR during the quickie interview. All you get asked is where you're from and what do you do.
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this is all about stupid & dumb college kids who don't know jack about TPIR. Why the producers keep picking these idiots is beyond me. Leave the show alone, dont change any elements unless it will damper the game play of a game or take too much time to play.
I'm 22 years old and I've watched game shows all my life and this is ridiculous for people who are older than me and maybe watch TPIR maybe once and then they go on the show and Bob asks them if they have seen ______game or know how to play it, and the constant reply is, "I haven't seen it, OR Bob I've seen it and you'll have to refresh my memory" or some dumb answer which would indicate that they don't watch the show often.
I wish Roger would pick smart AND funny contestants!
(sigh)
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I'm 22 years old and I've watched game shows all my life and this is ridiculous for people who are older than me and maybe watch TPIR maybe once and then they go on the show and Bob asks them if they have seen ______game or know how to play it, and the constant reply is, "I haven't seen it, OR Bob I've seen it and you'll have to refresh my memory" or some dumb answer which would indicate that they don't watch the show often.
You know, Not all college students are bad-many of us can't watch TPIR every day. If i went on the show and, oh Step-Up came on, I start acting really quiet because I'm excited/nervous, would that make me underserving to be on the show? No. I'm a big fan of the show and I don't even know all of the rules of every single game, or the "rules" that all people should know when playing Ten Chances, or frequent GP's in Pick a Pair, does that make me a bad contestant?
I'm asking this because I'm getting REALLY sick of people grousing and whining about college students on the show.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'May 4 2004, 09:53 AM\'] You know, Not all college students are bad-many of us can't watch TPIR every day. If i went on the show and, oh Step-Up came on, I start acting really quiet because I'm excited/nervous, would that make me underserving to be on the show? No. I'm a big fan of the show and I don't even know all of the rules of every single game, or the "rules" that all people should know when playing Ten Chances, or frequent GP's in Pick a Pair, does that make me a bad contestant?
I'm asking this because I'm getting REALLY sick of people grousing and whining about college students on the show. [/quote]
No kidding. Just because I happen to have a 10am class (damn Chemistry) means I'm undeserving to be on TPiR??
(Well...I'm also not 18, which makes me completely undeserving anyway, but the point still stands :-))
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'May 4 2004, 08:50 AM\'] this is all about stupid & dumb college kids who don't know jack about TPIR. Why the producers keep picking these idiots is beyond me. Leave the show alone, dont change any elements unless it will damper the game play of a game or take too much time to play.
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Perhaps you could go back to school, and learn about double negatives, as well as using capital letters correctly.
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I'm just jealous because back when I was a college student, they didn't choose college students and now that I'm middle-aged, they don't choose middle-aged people.
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'May 3 2004, 04:41 PM\']I think contestant selection tilted favoring folks in specially made shirts a long time ago. I think it's silly, and I for one would LOVE to see Roger ban it from the show. Give me contestants who display during the quickie-interview that they know Price is Right...[/quote]
I don't think contestant selection favors people in specially-made shirts. I think the problem is that anywhere between 1/4 and 1/2 of any given TPiR audience is wearing those shirts (and most of the rest are wearing military uniforms or college logo shirts). Some of those people are bound to be chosen for their personalities.
Enforcing a "no custom shirts" rule would be next to impossible. There are a handful of people who, despite a warning on the ticket and no evidence of it ever occurring on the show, try to wear some element of a costume. At least it's easy to remove a costume element. But what would the person in a custom shirt change into?
And I wouldn't be surprised to discover that with most audiences, it might not even be possible to find nine unrelated people who know the rules to the majority of the pricing games.
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Scott Robinson
(If I ruled the world, the process would be to isolate each audience member and ask them to explain the Showcase Showdown. Which would be impractical, but I can dream.)
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A couple days ago, there was a pro boxer who wound up winning the showcase. The guy was wearing a shirt with his name on it, the TPIR logo on the back, and the "Everlast" logo on it in at least two places. I was under the impression that corporate logos and copyrighted materials were forbidden? Did the rules change, or did one just slip through the cracks?
Travis
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'May 4 2004, 05:43 PM\'] A couple days ago, there was a pro boxer who wound up winning the showcase. The guy was wearing a shirt with his name on it, the TPIR logo on the back, and the "Everlast" logo on it in at least two places. [/quote]
Perhaps it was a tribute to DJ Everlast, the whimsical front man from the hip-hop group House Of Pain.
Or perhaps not.
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[quote name=\'TLEberle\' date=\'May 4 2004, 07:43 PM\']A couple days ago, there was a pro boxer who wound up winning the showcase. The guy was wearing a shirt with his name on it, the TPIR logo on the back, and the "Everlast" logo on it in at least two places. I was under the impression that corporate logos and copyrighted materials were forbidden? Did the rules change, or did one just slip through the cracks?[/quote]
Had to be through the cracks--the contestant coordinator kids probably didn't know what "Everlast" is.
Considering that Monte had that "TPIR" logo on the back of the jacket, if they knew they would probably still have looked for matching-colored duct tape to stick over the logos if it wouldn't have given away that he was getting picked.
And as for pixilating the logos, Joe Viewer would've probably thought that what was being pixilated was dirty words instead of a brand logo.
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[quote name=\'MSTieScott\' date=\'May 4 2004, 07:55 PM\'] (If I ruled the world, the process would be to isolate each audience member and ask them to explain the Showcase Showdown.) [/quote]
Which, of course, would result in 325 people trying to explain the Showcase. :-)
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 5 2004, 07:02 AM\'] Had to be through the cracks--the contestant coordinator kids probably didn't know what "Everlast" is. [/quote]
He had a big hit with "What It's Like" in 1998, right?
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[quote name=\'trainman\' date=\'May 6 2004, 09:22 PM\'] [quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'May 5 2004, 07:02 AM\'] Had to be through the cracks--the contestant coordinator kids probably didn't know what "Everlast" is. [/quote]
He had a big hit with "What It's Like" in 1998, right? [/quote]
Nah, that's the WB show with Treat Williams.