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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Pyramid80 on May 11, 2004, 09:32:56 AM
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I was curious if anyone has ever been to The Museum of Television & Radio? I was curious as to how many game shows that they have in their collection. Also, are the archives at UCLA only available to UCLA Students? I know that UCLA has a lot of game show pilots and aired shows in their vaults. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you!
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The MT&R has plenty of game shows... I couldn't possibly give an exact number, but off the top of my head I know they have the following:
- Wheel of Fortune w/Chuck Woolery (several episodes)
- The Moneymaze (one episode)
- Hollywood Squares (several Marshall eps, including one hour-long special)
- Tic Tac Dough ('50s pilot and several '70s episodes)
- The Neighbors (w/Regis Philbin)
- TPIR (some Cullen eps and some Barker eps)
- Password (several '60s episodes)
- High Rollers (two '75 eps)
- Jeopardy! (several Fleming shows including a '64 "test" episode)
- Match Game (a '60s color episode, the pilot, and at least one '80s syndie ep)
- Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour (one ep)
- $20,000 Pyramid (one ep)
- Nothing But the Truth (pilot for To Tell The Truth)
I know I'm leaving out some... Jason Hernandez used to have a page with a more detailed list, but I don't know if it's still around. A few of the episodes in the MT&R's collection (most notably the color Eye Guess episode and the 2000th Fleming J!) have been shown on GSN, but the vast majority haven't. Not all episodes are available at both branches -- some of them are in the main collection, some are in the archives, and some have to be requested from the archives and transferred (a process that usually takes a week or so) before they can be viewed.
The UCLA archives aren't available to the general public, and IIRC, you can't necessarily just walk in and watch what you want even if you're a student; there are rules as to what you can see because not everything is in a readily accessible format.
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'May 11 2004, 09:32 AM\'] Also, are the archives at UCLA only available to UCLA Students? I know that UCLA has a lot of game show pilots and aired shows in their vaults. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you! [/quote]
Several of us have accesed the UCLA archives, they are not limited to UCLA students. But as David says, you can't just go in, sit down and watch a tape. You need to plan ahead and make arrangements in advance.
Contact UCLA with a list of programs you want to see, and the date you want to visit. It usually takes them a week to make sure they have all the shows you want, so plan ahead at least that far. If you tell them you're a researcher, they'll usually take you at your word. Once you've done all that in advance, THEN it's just as easy as going in, sitting down and watching a tape.
I saw a half-dozen rare Bill Cullen videos when I visited a couple years ago. Mike Burger watched many pilots for his Game Show Pilot Light (http://\"http://www.mikeburger.com/pilots/\") page. I'm sure others here have visited as well.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'May 11 2004, 09:03 AM\'] Jason Hernandez used to have a page with a more detailed list, but I don't know if it's still around. [/quote]
I was just looking at that page yesterday, in fact:
http://members.fortunecity.com/jd83/mtr.html (http://\"http://members.fortunecity.com/jd83/mtr.html\")
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Thanks guys for the information! I will give it a try when I go to LA in September. It is amazing the distances that we will travel just to see a game show! But I think it is well worth it!
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'May 11 2004, 02:10 PM\'] Thanks guys for the information! I will give it a try when I go to LA in September. It is amazing the distances that we will travel just to see a game show! But I think it is well worth it! [/quote]
Two things to remember about the Museum (at least the NYC branch):
-$10 admission (worth paying for)
-Closed on Mondays
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 11 2004, 03:50 PM\'] Two things to remember about the Museum (at least the NYC branch):
-$10 admission (worth paying for)
-Closed on Mondays [/quote]
The last time I visited the one in LA, the admission charge was a "suggested donation", so they'll let you in if you plea poverty. (I'm not saying that's what I did, mind you...)
The last time I was in New York, I had one day to visit the Museum....and I picked a Monday.
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'May 11 2004, 05:03 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 11 2004, 03:50 PM\'] Two things to remember about the Museum (at least the NYC branch):
-$10 admission (worth paying for)
-Closed on Mondays [/quote]
The last time I visited the one in LA, the admission charge was a "suggested donation", so they'll let you in if you plea poverty. (I'm not saying that's what I did, mind you...)
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Moreover, the suggested donation is even less if you're a student, as some of us still are. :-)
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'May 11 2004, 06:01 PM\'] [quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'May 11 2004, 05:03 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 11 2004, 03:50 PM\'] Two things to remember about the Museum (at least the NYC branch):
-$10 admission (worth paying for)
-Closed on Mondays [/quote]
The last time I visited the one in LA, the admission charge was a "suggested donation", so they'll let you in if you plea poverty. (I'm not saying that's what I did, mind you...)
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Moreover, the suggested donation is even less if you're a student, as some of us still are. :-) [/quote]
Ohhh, is that sooooooooo? (narrows eyes) :-)
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[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' date=\'May 11 2004, 04:03 PM\'] The last time I visited the one in LA, the admission charge was a "suggested donation", so they'll let you in if you plea poverty. (I'm not saying that's what I did, mind you...)
The last time I was in New York, I had one day to visit the Museum....and I picked a Monday. [/quote]
I asked a staffer when I was in L.A. in 2003 on that, and the answer was if they charged a flat admission they would have to pay residuals on anything you watched. By technically not charging, they're not on the hook.
--Mike
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 11 2004, 07:08 PM\']
Moreover, the suggested donation is even less if you're a student, as some of us still are. :-)
Ohhh, is that sooooooooo? (narrows eyes) :-) [/quote]
Believe it or not, I still am... one more course and a thesis to go. :-)
The suggested contribution for students is $8 instead of $10.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'May 11 2004, 06:13 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 11 2004, 07:08 PM\']
Moreover, the suggested donation is even less if you're a student, as some of us still are. :-)
Ohhh, is that sooooooooo? (narrows eyes) :-) [/quote]
Believe it or not, I still am... one more course and a thesis to go. :-)
The suggested contribution for students is $8 instead of $10. [/quote]
Good luck to you...I'm looking at two semesters myself, and with the discount for students, I must make my way back to NYC...the $2 can get me an extra subway ride. :-)
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[quote name=\'rigsby\' date=\'May 11 2004, 09:26 AM\'][quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'May 11 2004, 09:03 AM\'] Jason Hernandez used to have a page with a more detailed list, but I don't know if it's still around. [/quote]
I was just looking at that page yesterday, in fact:
http://members.fortunecity.com/jd83/mtr.html (http://\"http://members.fortunecity.com/jd83/mtr.html\")[/quote]
I was at the one in New York last summer, and saw four shows, two (maybe three) mentioned on that site: the first day of the WoF tournament (it included who I think was the hour version's biggest winner) and a '50s Name That Tune (not the John Glenn one). The one that "might" be on the list is a Gambit, but I thought the copyright date on it was 1976 and the site says 1975.
The other show was a G.E. College Bowl episode (Temple against California-Santa Barbara, 9/22/63; it may have been NBC's first episode, according to EoTVGS, although they never mention this on the show; also, it used a different opening theme than the "traditional" one, which they did use for the closing theme).
-- Don
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[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' date=\'May 11 2004, 08:53 PM\'] [quote name=\'rigsby\' date=\'May 11 2004, 09:26 AM\'][quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'May 11 2004, 09:03 AM\'] Jason Hernandez used to have a page with a more detailed list, but I don't know if it's still around. [/quote]
I was just looking at that page yesterday, in fact:
http://members.fortunecity.com/jd83/mtr.html (http://\"http://members.fortunecity.com/jd83/mtr.html\")[/quote]
I was at the one in New York last summer, and saw four shows, two (maybe three) mentioned on that site: the first day of the WoF tournament (it included who I think was the hour version's biggest winner) and a '50s Name That Tune (not the John Glenn one). The one that "might" be on the list is a Gambit, but I thought the copyright date on it was 1976 and the site says 1975.
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Interesting about Gambit. The episode I saw last summer didn't have closing credits (cut off right before the fee plugs), but the car mentioned was a 1976 Vega. Perhaps there's more than one episode?
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It's been a long time since I've been to the one here in NYC. The minute I'm able to go back, I'll certainly go there. I have to get past my paranoid mother first, unfortunately.
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[quote name=\'AmazingErikZ\' date=\'May 15 2004, 12:18 PM\'] It's been a long time since I've been to the one here in NYC. The minute I'm able to go back, I'll certainly go there. I have to get past my paranoid mother first, unfortunately. [/quote]
I understand that for $1,000 you can swap her out for a new mother, or for $3,000 you can remove her from the game completely. ;)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 11 2004, 11:50 AM\'] Two things to remember about the Museum (at least the NYC branch):
-$10 admission (worth paying for)
-Closed on Mondays [/quote]
The one in Beverly Hills is closed on both Monday and Tuesday (and it has fairly limited hours the other 5 days of the week, only noon to 5:00). I'm a member, but I haven't made it to the museum as often as I should be going to take advantage.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 11 2004, 08:59 PM\'][quote name=\'That Don Guy\' date=\'May 11 2004, 08:53 PM\'] The one that "might" be on the list is a Gambit, but I thought the copyright date on it was 1976 and the site says 1975.
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Interesting about Gambit. The episode I saw last summer didn't have closing credits (cut off right before the fee plugs), but the car mentioned was a 1976 Vega. Perhaps there's more than one episode?[/quote]
Better leave some spoiler space just in case anyone wants to see it for themselves...
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I have a feeling it's the same episode; now that you mention it, this one had no closing credits as well - I may have gotten the "1976" date from the mention of the car. (Actually, there were two cars - a Vega and I think a Chevette; I rememebr it wasn't a Vega or an AMC Gremlin, as those were the only two cars I had remembered seeing when watching it in the 1970s. A couple won one of the cars, and they played a second end game, with the car changed.)
In the episode you saw, did they give away a trip to Monte Carlo in the end game (to the couple that won the car, and $1500 cash, plus trips to Acapulco and Panama) for getting an Ace in the end game?
-- Don
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Can anyone here who has seen the 1976 episode of "Wheel" at MTR contribute the differences in the early years? I only recall two from earlier posts, and I'm sure there were more.
-Jason
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[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' date=\'May 15 2004, 11:11 PM\'] [quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'May 11 2004, 08:59 PM\'][quote name=\'That Don Guy\' date=\'May 11 2004, 08:53 PM\'] The one that "might" be on the list is a Gambit, but I thought the copyright date on it was 1976 and the site says 1975.
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Interesting about Gambit. The episode I saw last summer didn't have closing credits (cut off right before the fee plugs), but the car mentioned was a 1976 Vega. Perhaps there's more than one episode?[/quote]
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I have a feeling it's the same episode; now that you mention it, this one had no closing credits as well - I may have gotten the "1976" date from the mention of the car. (Actually, there were two cars - a Vega and I think a Chevette; I rememebr it wasn't a Vega or an AMC Gremlin, as those were the only two cars I had remembered seeing when watching it in the 1970s. A couple won one of the cars, and they played a second end game, with the car changed.)
In the episode you saw, did they give away a trip to Monte Carlo in the end game (to the couple that won the car, and $1500 cash, plus trips to Acapulco and Panama) for getting an Ace in the end game?
-- Don [/quote]
That sounds about right. I definitely remember the changing of cars for the second end game, and Monte Carlo sounds extremely familiar. :-)
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' date=\'May 16 2004, 09:38 AM\'] Can anyone here who has seen the 1976 episode of "Wheel" at MTR contribute the differences in the early years? I only recall two from earlier posts, and I'm sure there were more.
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-Scoring displays looked a bit different (don't remember if they had five or six spaces)
-When the category was displayed, it was done with an orange art card, Helvetica font. The category display was MUCH bigger than it is now
-The show actually opened with an overhead shot of the wheel, with the WoF logo superimposed (like in the early syndie years), but I think that was just for that tournament
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You will definitely enjoy the Museum. If you are not a researcher, you can just walk in and pay a fee. You will go to a video monitor and select what shows you want to see. Give the selections to the clerk, who will direct you to a viewing desk. IF I MAY RECOMMEND: I didn't see this one in the recent GSN run, but the Collyer TTTT celebrity version with Joan Bennett is quite gunny. The first section deals with a man who imports fake fur coats. The panel's eyes glaze over when discussing the tariff. Kitty says "let's not discuss that again," and Orson says, "Why not?"
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Hey Brandon, you're right on for some of the changes! Also, last time I was there, there were TWO 1976 episodes that you could view, but the earlier one has much of the changes. The scoring displays did, indeed, have five digits instead of the six which must have changed some time in 1976, but I think I will have to take another trip to the Museum some time soon (read: later this week when it's open) so I can "research" these episodes. Thanks for checking out the MTR site, guys!