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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: catkins522 on August 29, 2004, 04:47:50 AM
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With all of the comdey and drama tv show, ie Fact of the Life was the spin-off of Differnt Strokes, NCSI was the spin-off on CSI, is there any game show(s) that spins-off to another game show pilot or show?
Charles
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[quote name=\'catkins522\' date=\'Aug 29 2004, 03:47 AM\'] With all of the comdey and drama tv show, ie Fact of the Life was the spin-off of Differnt Strokes, NCSI was the spin-off on CSI, is there any game show(s) that spins-off to another game show pilot or show?
Charles [/quote]
Well, some have said that "Family Feud" is a deriative of Match Game's "supermatch"...
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"$64,000 Challenge" was a spinoff off "$64,000 Question", which you might say was a spinoff of radio's "Take It or Leave It." You could probably put Sat Morn kids versions of weekday shows in this category-"Kideo Village," "Storybook Squares." and JJJ! One show that did not have a spinoff was "Spin-Off."
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We can include "College Mad House" to the list, as it was a "Fun House" spin-off.
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Although they're better left forgotten, you could probably count the kids' version of J!, "Jep!", and its sister show, the infamous "Wheel 2000".
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Going through the trusty Encyclopedia...
-"Honeymoon Race" was a spinoff of the original "Supermarket Sweep" set in a shopping mall
-Art James' "Say When!" was apparently a derivative of the original PiR.
--Sam
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I would just count shows that ran concurrently with the original. "Honeymoon Race" was sort of a retooling of SS. What about the once-a-week syndie prime access shows of the '70s? Could any be called spinoffs?
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Go was most certainly a spin-off of the Chain Reaction Instant Reaction bonus round. As opposed to the garbage from the Canadian version starring Blake Emmons, Geoff Edwards and Rod Shallowbwaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
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[quote name=\'gshowguy\' date=\'Aug 29 2004, 08:38 AM\'] We can include "College Mad House" to the list, as it was a "Fun House" spin-off. [/quote]
No, we can't.
A "spin-off", at least in game show terms, is a segment of one show that a new show is made out of. For example, as was said, the bonus round of "Chain Reaction" was taken and made as the centerpiece in "Go!".
"College Mad House" is not a spinoff of "Fun House" because the game is basically the same, except that college students are playing and not teens/tweens..
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I know this is gonna sound strange, but in a way, Double Dare is a spin off of Price is Right then, as they have 6 obstacles in the obstacle course that changed each show, just like Price has 6 pricing games that change daily.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 29 2004, 01:16 PM\'] I know this is gonna sound strange, but in a way, Double Dare is a spin off of Price is Right then, as they have 6 obstacles in the obstacle course that changed each show, just like Price has 6 pricing games that change daily. [/quote]
Marc Summers always did idolize Bob Barker. I'm not totally sure we're all on the same page what constituted a "spin-off" I'm of the opinion that the shows have to be directly related to the parent show and billed as such. On a show like "Go!," while they did utilize the CR bonus round, no mention was ever made of CR on "Go!"
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 29 2004, 02:16 PM\'] I know this is gonna sound strange, but in a way, Double Dare is a spin off of Price is Right then, as they have 6 obstacles in the obstacle course that changed each show, just like Price has 6 pricing games that change daily. [/quote]
This I disagree with you with.....
As I had said, a spin-off is taking an element of one show, and putting it by itself on its own show.
For example, this fall, the character of Joey Tribbiani from "Friends" is being given his own show, "Joey". That is a spin-off.
In game shows, the bonus round of "Chain Reaction", in which clues are fed one word, one person at a time, was the main part of "Go!" in which clues are fed one word, one person at a time. THAT is a spin-off.
While DD is *like* TPiR in the sense that it has obstacles that rotate vs. games that rotate, in no way it is a spinoff of TPiR.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 29 2004, 11:16 AM\'] I know this is gonna sound strange, but in a way, Double Dare is a spin off of Price is Right then, as they have 6 obstacles in the obstacle course that changed each show, just like Price has 6 pricing games that change daily. [/quote]
...and Barker had a secretary named O'Connell, and O'Connell had a secretary named Barker....
..."Strange" isn't the word that popped into my head.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, it's not only idiotic, it's flat wrong, since the DD course was _eight_ obstacles....
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 29 2004, 02:51 PM\'] EDIT: Now that I think about it, it's not only idiotic, it's flat wrong, since the DD course was _eight_ obstacles.... [/quote]
I can't believe I didn't catch that when I replied to him. Thank you. I've updated my post as such..
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Now that I think about it, it's not only idiotic, it's flat wrong, since the DD course was _eight_ obstacles
I must have been out of it then I guess. It didn't even occur to me that DD had 8. My apologies.
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[quote name=\'adamjk\' date=\'Aug 29 2004, 01:16 PM\']I know this is gonna sound strange, but in a way, Double Dare is a spin off of Price is Right then, as they have 6 obstacles in the obstacle course that changed each show, just like Price has 6 pricing games that change daily.[/quote]
Apples and oranges. The 8 obstacles on DD were in a self-contained bonus round. The 6 pricing games are a huge part of the show, though you could argue that the pricing games are a bonus round of their own.
Besides, with that logic, that's like saying TPiR is a spin-off from Wheel of Fortune, just because both games have three contestants spinning a wheel, with the high scorer going to a bonus round.
(And yes, I know that WoF and the Big Wheel came out in 1975, so that doesn't make it a spinoff either, it's just TPiR wanted to capitalize.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Aug 29 2004, 02:57 PM\'] with that logic, that's like saying TPiR is a spin-off from Wheel of Fortune, just because both games have three contestants spinning a wheel, with the high scorer going to a bonus round.
(And yes, I know that WoF and the Big Wheel came out in 1975, so that doesn't make it a spinoff either, it's just TPiR wanted to capitalize. [/quote]
And you know, both expanded to an hour within a month of each other in 1975. So there's a spin-off of the hour-long format. God, this is making my head hurt. Or is it all those Bud Lights at bw-3 last night?
This is like the rut we fell into when I started that "host-ism" thread many months ago. It began as examples of sentences which uniquely belonged to a single host such as Allen Ludden's, "I hear you at home". Before we knew it, we had someone come along with the claim that Chuck Woolery saying, "Good Night" at the end of Greed was a unique "host-ism". Just because one show uses Q & A or six segments or music with vocals (Make Me Laugh is not a spin-off from To Tell The Truth) doesn't make it a spin-off. It means there's something in common. And that's it.
And now, I'll trade one of you my soap box for some aspirin.
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And now, I'll trade one of you my soap box for some aspirin.
Or you can take what's behind door #2.
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And you know, both expanded to an hour within a month of each other in 1975. So there's a spin-off of the hour-long format.
When CBS decided to expand one of their shows to an hour, NBC decided they could do the same. Six weeks later they realized that they made a mistake...
For the record, the very same day "Price" permanently expanded to an hour (Nov 3, 1975), NBC expanded "Hollywood Squares" to an hour for a week as part of their "Gigantic Game Gala". It was also "Squares" ninth anniversary week.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 30 2004, 08:42 AM\'] NBC expanded "Hollywood Squares" to an hour for a week as part of their "Gigantic Game Gala". It was also "Squares" ninth anniversary week. [/quote]
Let's Make A Deal went the one-hour route for a week in 1975 also, didn't it? Is that where The Super Deal made its inaugural appearance?
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Let's Make A Deal went the one-hour route for a week in 1975 also, didn't it? Is that where The Super Deal made its inaugural appearance?
Yes on the first part, I'm not sure on the second part. I was in school the week that "LMAD" expanded to an hour so I'm pretty sure I didn't see any of them. Luckily (or unluckily) I was sick for the first three days of NBC's "Gigantic Game Gala", and got to see all the shows from Monday-Wednesday that week!
(If only I could have stretched out my sickness for two more days....)
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How about a game show that is a spin-off of a segment of a talk show?
Street Smarts is based on the popular "Jaywalking" segments seen on the Tonight Show...
The Inquisitive One
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[quote name=\'TheInquisitiveOne\' date=\'Aug 31 2004, 08:33 AM\'] How about a game show that is a spin-off of a segment of a talk show?
Street Smarts is based on the popular "Jaywalking" segments seen on the Tonight Show...
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Gawd, this is getting ridiculous.
If you think Jay Leno was the first person to go out on the street and ask ordinary people stupid questions, then you have never heard of Mal Sharpe, who was only doing it THIRTY YEARS before Jay was.
There _is_ television history before 1990, folks.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 31 2004, 10:41 AM\']
If you think Jay Leno was the first person to go out on the street and ask ordinary people stupid questions, then you have never heard of Mal Sharpe, who was only doing it THIRTY YEARS before Jay was.
There _is_ television history before 1990, folks. [/quote]
Not to mention the format of predicting the actions of people on the street has been used in at least three game shows before STreet Smarts: All About Faces, Anything for Money, and Hold Everything. While AAF and AFM had in-studio contestants, HE had celebs playing in-studio for charity.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Aug 31 2004, 05:53 PM\']
Not to mention the format of predicting the actions of people on the street has been used in at least three game shows before STreet Smarts: All About Faces, Anything for Money, and Hold Everything. While AAF and AFM had in-studio contestants, HE had celebs playing in-studio for charity. [/quote]
You forgot Card Sharks.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Aug 31 2004, 06:08 PM\'] [quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Aug 31 2004, 05:53 PM\']
Not to mention the format of predicting the actions of people on the street has been used in at least three game shows before STreet Smarts: All About Faces, Anything for Money, and Hold Everything. While AAF and AFM had in-studio contestants, HE had celebs playing in-studio for charity. [/quote]
You forgot Card Sharks. [/quote]
Is that so much of a bad thing? :-)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Aug 31 2004, 04:08 PM\']You forgot Card Sharks. [/quote]
No, he didn't. That "Card Sharks" didn't predate Street Smarts.
Ath, I've defended Adam and Zach on the same day. I think I'll be turning in my card now...
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So "Card Sharks" was a spinoff of "Street Smarts"???!!!????
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Aug 31 2004, 06:44 PM\'] So "Card Sharks" was a spinoff of "Street Smarts"???!!!???? [/quote]
None of the Street Smarts-esque shows mentioned in this thread can be considered spinoffs. Except, you could make somewhat of a case for All About Faces and Hold Everything as Dan Enright was responsible for both of those all-time faves :)
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Aug 31 2004, 06:44 PM\'] So "Card Sharks" was a spinoff of "Street Smarts"???!!!???? [/quote]
2001 era Card Sharks was a spin-off of a pile of excrement.
Enjoy your dinner.
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The one thing spinning right now is my head. :P
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Back when the three networks threw us a couple of game shows in the morning, I always thought it would be an ingenious idea to mount a show called "Daily Double," that would indeed be a spin-off of "Jeopardy!" Three contestants compete separately (isolated from each other), starting out with, oh, $100 stake money. They each get 8 or 10 answers in different categories, betting part or all of their stake on each one, seeing only the category. It's a little like competitive Money Cards, I suppose. Whoever did the best keeps the cash and plays some sort of bonus game.
There'd be baby blue and pink, too!
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Sep 1 2004, 10:27 AM\']There'd be baby blue and pink, too![/quote]
But would there be any RED categories?
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[quote name=\'rigsby\' date=\'Sep 1 2004, 11:52 AM\'] [quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Sep 1 2004, 10:27 AM\']There'd be baby blue and pink, too![/quote]
But would there be any RED categories? [/quote]
Yes. They're very important, and he'll explain when he gets to them.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Sep 1 2004, 10:27 AM\'] Back when the three networks threw us a couple of game shows in the morning, I always thought it would be an ingenious idea to mount a show called "Daily Double," that would indeed be a spin-off of "Jeopardy!" Three contestants compete separately (isolated from each other), starting out with, oh, $100 stake money. They each get 8 or 10 answers in different categories, betting part or all of their stake on each one, seeing only the category. It's a little like competitive Money Cards, I suppose. Whoever did the best keeps the cash and plays some sort of bonus game.
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It's also a little like The Who, What, or Where Game. Actually, it's a lot like The Who, What, or Where Game, aside from the isolation.
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I'm surprised nobody has said Family Feud was a spinoff of Match Game, because it used the Audience Match portion as the inspiration for the main part of the show. Surveying studio audiences and trying to come up with the best answer.
Some of these are REALLY scraping the bottom though.
David
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[quote name=\'gsgalaxy82\' date=\'Sep 1 2004, 10:06 PM\'] I'm surprised nobody has said Family Feud was a spinoff of Match Game, because it used the Audience Match portion as the inspiration for the main part of the show. Surveying studio audiences and trying to come up with the best answer.
Some of these are REALLY scraping the bottom though.
David [/quote]
Then you clearly haven't read the entire thread, since Mark said just that in the second post.
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Ah, my mistake, sorry. I guess after all those other posts I was in a daze.
David
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Sep 1 2004, 10:10 PM\']
It's also a little like The Who, What, or Where Game. Actually, it's a lot like The Who, What, or Where Game, aside from the isolation. [/quote]
It is a bit, in that you're wagering on your knowledge of a category. But the playing against the house aspect (sort of how in golf you play against the course more than against the other golfers) would, I think, make it play a lot differently.
This does bring up a question that fits the topic: Does "The Challengers" count as a spin-off of "Who, What or Where?"
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Sep 2 2004, 11:21 AM\'] This does bring up a question that fits the topic: Does "The Challengers" count as a spin-off of "Who, What or Where?" [/quote]
I'd go so far as to call it a straight-up revivial.
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Seemed like a lot of the shows produced by Ron Greenberg had the three players answering questions deal going (orig. $ale, WWW, TBS, PnR, Challengers) In reading the encyclopedia entry for "Reach For the Stars," (on which Ron Greenberg worked with Merv) would you agree that the show was reworked to become "Ruckus."?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Sep 2 2004, 03:54 PM\']Seemed like a lot of the shows produced by Ron Greenberg had the three players answering questions deal going (orig. $ale, WWW, TBS, PnR, Challengers) In reading the encyclopedia entry for "Reach For the Stars," (on which Ron Greenberg worked with Merv) would you agree that the show was reworked to become "Ruckus."?[/quote]
"Reach for the Stars" became the final segment of "Ruckus"--the rest of the show was so divorced from "Reach for the Stars" that I can't really call it a spinoff.
"Reach," in case someone's forgotten, was the show where they built a spaceship-styled set without Merv's approval while he was out of town, and when he came back, he was not too happy, having envisioned a more carnival-style set (since the show was inspired by a carnival raffle game where you took a number off a board). The set was then toned down to give more of a penthouse feel--a penthouse out in the middle of the country, since it was still dominated by the starry sky motif.