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The Game Show Forum => The Big Board => Topic started by: Kevin Prather on July 19, 2003, 12:16:44 AM
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were Match Game '90 and Match Game '98 credited as \"A Mark Goodson - Bill Todman Production\" or \"A Mark Goodson Television Production\"?
my guess would be the latter. am i right?
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MG '90 was credited as a MG Production. Bill Todman's name was dropped from the various MG-BT shows as time went on. By 1990, all of the GT shows were credited as MGP.
I'm guessing MG '98 was listed as a MGP in association with All American/Pearson/Fremantle or whatever they were calling themselves that week.
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[quote name=\'TV Favorites\' date=\'Jul 18 2003, 11:54 PM\'] MG '90 was credited as a MG Production. Bill Todman's name was dropped from the various MG-BT shows as time went on. By 1990, all of the GT shows were credited as MGP.
I'm guessing MG '98 was listed as a MGP in association with All American/Pearson/Fremantle or whatever they were calling themselves that week. [/quote]
Both were simply Mark Goodson productions. Bill Todman's name was dropped sometime c. 1983 (and no, I don't need to know the last show to use MG/BT). On the 1998 version, Paul Boland simply said \"This has been a Mark Goodson Production, in association with,\" then cut to Pearson logo.
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Why was Bill Toddman's name dropped ? And on a related note, when and why was Bob Quiggley's name was dropped in MH/MQ Prods. ?
-Joe R.
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Probably because the gentlemen were no longer working for the respective companies when their names were dropped.
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Most likely because the gentlemen were ... how you say? ... dead.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Jul 20 2003, 09:23 PM\']Probably because the gentlemen were no longer working for the respective companies when their names were dropped.[/quote]
If memory serves, Bill Todman passed away in (I think) 1979. The decision was made to rename the company at that point (I'm not exactly sure why, but many of the shows in production at that time [CS, P+, FF, TPIR] opted to keep the G/T name--although TPIR and FF eventually moved on to MGP).
In the case of HQ, Quigley retired from HQ either during or after the production of LVG. Heatter carried on the production company using his own name with the creation of BATTLESTARS. Dixon Hayes' site indicates that Quigley died in 1989.
Doug
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SRIV94 wrote:
If memory serves, Bill Todman passed away in (I think) 1979. The decision was made to rename the company at that point (I'm not exactly sure why, but many of the shows in production at that time [CS, P+, FF, TPIR] opted to keep the G/T name--although TPIR and FF eventually moved on to MGP).
But wasn't Blockbusters, which premiered in October 1980, a G/T production? I guess the concept must have been developed before Todman's passing.
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[quote name=\'TV Favorites\' date=\'Jul 18 2003, 11:54 PM\']On the 1998 version, Paul Boland simply said \"This has been a Mark Goodson Production, in association with,\" then cut to Pearson logo.[/quote]
The stinger of said Pearson logo can be heard at the beginning of my AMVs (and any future AMVs I decide to create). Go to my website (www.brakus.net) for more info. :)
I think by 1982 or 1983 all Goodson-Todman shows eventually said simply \"A Mark Goodson... Television Production\". I seem to remember my the time \"Child's Play\" left the air at the end of 1982, the credit was simply \"Mark Goodson\".
- J
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CHild's Play was the first game show to be billed strictly as an MG Production. Between mid-1982 and early 1984, Feud, TPIR, and Tattletales dropped Todman's name as well.
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In the case of HQ, Quigley retired from HQ either during or after the production of LVG. Heatter carried on the production company using his own name with the creation of BATTLESTARS.
Officially, Merrill Heatter and Bob Quigley broke up their partnership in 1981, after the end of \"Las Vegas Gambit.\" Quigley had not been actively involved in day-to-day operations for several years, anyway, as I understood it from talking to his daughter once (who's now a costume designer in LA). Since their company was a Filmways subsidiary (about to become Orion), the parent company assumed full ownership of their series and Heatter began his own independent production company--meaning that Orion hired him to produce the revival of \"High Rollers,\" the show his original company created, in 1987.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 03:06 PM\']
In the case of HQ, Quigley retired from HQ either during or after the production of LVG. Heatter carried on the production company using his own name with the creation of BATTLESTARS.
Officially, Merrill Heatter and Bob Quigley broke up their partnership in 1981, after the end of \"Las Vegas Gambit.\" Quigley had not been actively involved in day-to-day operations for several years, anyway, as I understood it from talking to his daughter once (who's now a costume designer in LA). Since their company was a Filmways subsidiary (about to become Orion), the parent company assumed full ownership of their series and Heatter began his own independent production company--meaning that Orion hired him to produce the revival of \"High Rollers,\" the show his original company created, in 1987. [/quote]
Wasn't the last HQ production the now-legendary Casino, or was that Heatter solo?
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Casino was an HQ Production. Ask Jekalb329 about it, or read his legendary posts about how his uncle was a contestant......
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 06:29 PM\'] Casino was an HQ Production. Ask Jekalb329 about it, or read his legendary posts about how his uncle was a contestant...... [/quote]
That stuff was funny!
But Casino really did happen....right?
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Supposedly it did, but I don't recall seeing it and I don't believe any tapes are on the trading circuit. It was hosted by Jim Perry and taped for NBC, who wanted to find a venue for him after Card Sharks got cancelled(they tried two pilots with him before his $otC gig began, Casino and Bob Stewart's Twisters)
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 07:09 PM\'] Supposedly it did, but I don't recall seeing it and I don't believe any tapes are on the trading circuit. It was hosted by Jim Perry and taped for NBC, who wanted to find a venue for him after Card Sharks got cancelled(they tried two pilots with him before his $otC gig began, Casino and Bob Stewart's Twisters) [/quote]
Which brings me to a question I've wondered for a while.
We all know that Jim Peck had a contract with ABC during the mid-to-late 70s. How else could he have found himself having the joy of Hot Seat or stretching the realm of intellectual quizzers on Second Chance?
Did Jim Perry have some sort of contract with NBC in which he could also host Definition, or vice versa? It seems really coincidental that he would host CS, then three pilots (one of which eventually sold and ran six years), all for the same network, in such a short timespan.
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[quote name=\'Dan Sadro\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 06:23 PM\'] Did Jim Perry have some sort of contract with NBC in which he could also host Definition, or vice versa? [/quote]
I dunno about Jim's contract with NBC, but I would imagine that at the time, a time without satellite television and where Nielsen only cared what American viewers were watching, the Definition part of his career was of little import. What he did on his off days, so long as it didn't compete with NBC programming in a territory NBC cared about, was likely totally up to Perry.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jul 21 2003, 07:09 PM\'] Supposedly it did, but I don't recall seeing it and I don't believe any tapes are on the trading circuit. It was hosted by Jim Perry and taped for NBC, who wanted to find a venue for him after Card Sharks got cancelled(they tried two pilots with him before his $otC gig began, Casino and Bob Stewart's Twisters) [/quote]
There's this weird movie called Videodrome or something like that c. 1983 that actually features a clip of Casino's opening. As far as tapes existing, I have no clue.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jul 20 2003, 07:46 PM\']If memory serves, Bill Todman passed away in (I think) 1979. The decision was made to rename the company at that point (I'm not exactly sure why, but many of the shows in production at that time [CS, P+, FF, TPIR] opted to keep the G/T name--although TPIR and FF eventually moved on to MGP).
In the case of HQ, Quigley retired from HQ either during or after the production of LVG. Heatter carried on the production company using his own name with the creation of BATTLESTARS. Dixon Hayes' site indicates that Quigley died in 1989.[/quote]
This information is highly inaccurate and appears to be largely conjecture on your part. So why are you posting it?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Jul 22 2003, 11:30 AM\'][quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jul 20 2003, 07:46 PM\']If memory serves, Bill Todman passed away in (I think) 1979. The decision was made to rename the company at that point (I'm not exactly sure why, but many of the shows in production at that time [CS, P+, FF, TPIR] opted to keep the G/T name--although TPIR and FF eventually moved on to MGP).
In the case of HQ, Quigley retired from HQ either during or after the production of LVG. Heatter carried on the production company using his own name with the creation of BATTLESTARS. Dixon Hayes' site indicates that Quigley died in 1989.[/quote]
This information is highly inaccurate and appears to be largely conjecture on your part. So why are you posting it?[/quote]
Chris C., I was not intending to post inaccurate or misleading information. I was trying to contribute, using what I considered to be reputable websites to back up what I was typing.
From the Museum of Broadcast Communication's website:
\"The partnership continued until Todman's death in 1979, after which it was renamed Mark Goodson Productions. Goodson's son Jonathan succeeded him as president and CEO of Mark Goodson Productions, while Howard Todman serves as treasurer. In December 1994, the company joined with Merv Griffin Enterprises to launch the Game Show Channel. The cable outlet offers shows old game shows from a library of 41,000 episodes, and new shows allowing home viewers to play along for prizes via interactive controllers. Its growth, though, is currently stymied by the lack of available channels on most cable systems, and has been awaiting the expansion of direct satellite and expanded cable capacity.\" [Obviously this was written a long time ago.]
Perhaps my use of the words \"at that point\" made the information inaccurate, in which case I apologize (the slip was not intentional). It is true that the company was eventually renamed (and granted I can't say for sure whether Mr. Todman's passing was a factor in the decision to rename the company, it's a pretty good guess). And if what Zach said is accurate, there was no uniform date for shows that were previously billed as MG/BT productions to change over to MGP.
Dixon Hayes' HSq site says the following:
\"H/Q sold their company to Filmways in the 1960s, just after creating their biggest hit ever, The Hollywood Squares. The two produced Las Vegas Gambit and Battlestars in the early 1980s before Quigley retired. Bob Quigley died in February 1989. Merrill Heatter kept creating game shows (Fantasy, All Star Blitz, Bargain Hunters) for a few more years. He also married former Gambit hostess Elaine Stewart.\"
I didn't think Dixon was right about Mr. Quigley having any involvement in BATTLESTARS, which was what led me to my statement about him retiring sometime either during or after the production of LVG. Mark J. posted the necessary corrections (assuming what he says is accuate, which I have no reason not to).
So there you have it. I seem to have put two and two together and somehow come up with 17. It happens. Sorry for the inaccuracy--unfortunately I don't have Tony Kornheiser's stat boy in my pocket 24/7. :)
Does this mean I'm no longer welcome at the family picnic?
Doug