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How much of the Goodson/Todman daytime shows of the Sixties - 'The Match Game,' 'Password' 'Snap Judegemeny' et al - were done live in the afternoon five days a week, if any?
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I believe MG was the only one. Don't think Password was ever live.
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I'm sure at one time it was stated that "Password" would tape two shows in a day, that's one reason why on a few of the '66-67 CBS eps that GSN has aired, there's a different celebrity for the Thursday and Friday shows than there was for the rest of the week.
I believe the first show to tape five in a day was the syndicated "What's My Line".
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These G-T shows aired in the morning, for the most part, but TPIR, "Say When" and "Play Your Hunch," were live at least some of the time, as verified through old TV Guide listings.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Feb 21 2005, 11:38 AM\']I'm sure at one time it was stated that "Password" would tape two shows in a day, that's one reason why on a few of the '66-67 CBS eps that GSN has aired, there's a different celebrity for the Thursday and Friday shows than there was for the rest of the week.
I believe the first show to tape five in a day was the syndicated "What's My Line".
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The first G-T show--other producers had been doing it (something tells me, for one, that Bob Stewart was probably doing it with "Eye Guess"), but syndie "WML?" was G-T's first attempt at it.
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Don't think Password was ever live.
The announcer's closing disclaimer began "The contestants on this pre-recorded program..." on every ep that's aired on GSN, to the best of my knowledge.
Chuck Donegan (The Illustrious "Chuckie Baby")
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Don't think Password was ever live.
The announcer's closing disclaimer began "The contestants on this pre-recorded program..." on every ep that's aired on GSN, to the best of my knowledge.
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And on some episodes, it was "The contestants on this pre-recorded AND EDITED program...", considering that until the late '60s (when electronic editing systems were introduced) editing videotape was VERY time-consuming.
I'm pretty certain the syndicated WML/TTTT and ABC's "Password" were among the first G-T shows to be electronically edited; the latter of course being their first Los Angeles-based show.
Jonathan Allen
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The announcer's closing disclaimer began "The contestants on this pre-recorded program..." on every ep that's aired on GSN, to the best of my knowledge.
Was it a rule back then that if a program was pre-recorded they'd have to state that it was, or was it just something GT decided to do? Several of their other games from that time have the announcer saying "this program was pre-recorded" right before the fade to black.
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Going "off the board," somewhat, I don't know how widespread this was but up until around the late 70's, our local station used to mention everyday, "Some of the programs seen today on TV5 are delayed broadcasts by means of transcription, video tape or film." There was great care taken to let people know the shows were not live.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 07:47 AM\']Was it a rule back then that if a program was pre-recorded they'd have to state that it was, or was it just something GT decided to do? Several of their other games from that time have the announcer saying "this program was pre-recorded" right before the fade to black.
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I can't speak for whether there was a rule, but a number of programs (not just from GT) made that designation. I seem to recall HSq doing the same thing during the 1968 prime-time run and also in the early syndie years.
On the other hand, perhaps there was--for the first year or so of GONG, if an act was performing some sort of lip-sync Barris made the point of stating that "they were singing to a record" (once, he expanded that to, "and if you couldn't tell that those weren't their real voices, you're really weird").
Doug
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FCC regulations used to clearly state that any program that was not a live broadcast had to be clearly stated as such.
In recent years, with taped programming become predeominate, it's been reinterpreted to mean that anything that presents itself as a "live" show but isn't has to be identified that way--like "SNL" reruns on Saturday nights at 11:30 on NBC or any repeats or repurposes of live programs. In other words, if you have an announcer shouting "live!" and it isn't, you better have a "pre-recorded" graphic up somewhere anytime around that announcer shouting "live!"
At CBS, the "pre-" was dropped from "recorded" sometime in the 60s at the request of Bill Paley, who thought "pre-recorded" was redundant. He also required that news shows could only call themselves "broadcasts," not "programs" or "shows" (something "60 Minutes" continues to this day) and, less successfully, he wanted shows that used canned laughter to run disclaimers ("audience response technically augmented" disclaimers had a very short run on the CBS air after the quiz scandals, when Paley wanted to clear up everything).
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 01:20 PM\']FCC regulations used to clearly state that any program that was not a live broadcast had to be clearly stated as such.
In recent years, with taped programming become predeominate, it's been reinterpreted to mean that anything that presents itself as a "live" show but isn't has to be identified that way--like "SNL" reruns on Saturday nights at 11:30 on NBC[/quote]
Or first-run "SNL"s at 11:30 Pacific.
ObGameShow: It featured celebrities. They were playing Jeopardy!. Its name was Celebrity Jeopardy!. Will someone please write What is Celebrity Jeopardy!?
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[quote name=\'Steve McClellan\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 02:51 PM\']ObGameShow: It featured celebrities. They were playing Jeopardy!. Its name was Celebrity Jeopardy!. Will someone please write What is Celebrity Jeopardy!?
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"Yep...it's a horse having sex with me."
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 04:20 PM\']At CBS, the "pre-" was dropped from "recorded" sometime in the 60s at the request of Bill Paley, who thought "pre-recorded" was redundant. He also required that news shows could only call themselves "broadcasts," not "programs" or "shows" (something "60 Minutes" continues to this day) and, less successfully, he wanted shows that used canned laughter to run disclaimers ("audience response technically augmented" disclaimers had a very short run on the CBS air after the quiz scandals, when Paley wanted to clear up everything).
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I wondered why WML ended with "This program was recorded". Sounds a bit odd in this day and age where virtually every program is recorded. If I remember, WML used that line well after taping moved from CBS to NBC.
Paley must've been interesting to work for. He didn't even want reruns to be called reruns. He preferred "Encore programs by public demand."
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 04:20 PM\']FCC regulations used to clearly state that any program that was not a live broadcast had to be clearly stated as such.
In recent years, with taped programming become predeominate, it's been reinterpreted to mean that anything that presents itself as a "live" show but isn't has to be identified that way--like "SNL" reruns on Saturday nights at 11:30 on NBC or any repeats or repurposes of live programs. In other words, if you have an announcer shouting "live!" and it isn't, you better have a "pre-recorded" graphic up somewhere anytime around that announcer shouting "live!"
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I notice that Jimmy Kimmel Live has that graphic on all its shows now, making me wonder will they even continue to call it "Live" for long. Now if a show is "live on tape," where they tape say, an hour-long show in exactly one hour, but air it later on, do they still have to do a disclaimer? Shows like "TRL" or "Live with Regis and Kelly"?
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 09:44 AM\']Going "off the board," somewhat, I don't know how widespread this was but up until around the late 70's, our local station used to mention everyday, "Some of the programs seen today on TV5 are delayed broadcasts by means of transcription, video tape or film." There was great care taken to let people know the shows were not live.
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I recall in the early 1970s that a number of CBS shows (soap operas, mainly) had a voiceover disclaimer along the lines of "Some or all of today's CBS programs have been pre-recorded for broadcast in this time zone". (I assume the same disclaimer was used in time zones where some shows may have been shown live and others which were live in the Eastern time zone were tape-delayed. Wasn't there a time when the Today show aired its second hour live followed by its first hour taped in the Central time zone?)
-- Don
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If there was, it was before I started watching it. We've been on an hour delay for time immemorial.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 05:17 PM\']Shows like "TRL" or "Live with Regis and Kelly"?
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Doesn't LWR&K still air live in some markets, including NY? If that's the case, seems like the legalese wouldn't be necessary.
TRL stopped meaning something to me when I was, oh, 36. :)
Doug
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It airs live in NY and Philly.
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 11:19 PM\']Doesn't LWR&K still air live in some markets, including NY? If that's the case, seems like the legalese wouldn't be necessary.
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I believe any station that airs it at 9am (EST) does air it Live. The NBC stations that air it (like WBAL in Baltimore, for example) air it at 10am as not to interrupt the 3-hour fest which is "Today".
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 06:44 AM\']Going "off the board," somewhat, I don't know how widespread this was but up until around the late 70's, our local station used to mention everyday, "Some of the programs seen today on TV5 are delayed broadcasts by means of transcription, video tape or film." There was great care taken to let people know the shows were not live.
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I dunno if the Alaska stations during that time followed a similar practice at sign-on/off saying "Some of the programs seen today are delayed one to two weeks after their regular airings in the Lower 48." They probably stopped that after the networks began satellite distribution in 1984-85.
Jonathan Allen
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 11:25 PM\'][quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 11:19 PM\']Doesn't LWR&K still air live in some markets, including NY? If that's the case, seems like the legalese wouldn't be necessary.
Doug
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I believe any station that airs it at 9am (EST) does air it Live. The NBC stations that air it (like WBAL in Baltimore, for example) air it at 10am as not to interrupt the 3-hour fest which is "Today".
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Not all of them -- here WHEC airs LWR&K live at 9 am, and delays the third hour of Today until 10 am.
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[quote name=\'That Don Guy\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 07:17 PM\']Wasn't there a time when the Today show aired its second hour live followed by its first hour taped in the Central time zone?
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Yes, including much of the era when Tom Brokaw was host. The Museum of TV & Radio has in its collection an entire 1976 broadcast day from the San Diego NBC affiliate; I've watched one of the hours of that "Today" show, and Brokaw ends the hour with something along the lines of, "Some of you are leaving us now; for the rest of you, we'll be back with the news headlines."
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Feb 22 2005, 04:20 PM\']At CBS, the "pre-" was dropped from "recorded" sometime in the 60s at the request of Bill Paley, who thought "pre-recorded" was redundant.
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This reminds me of one of my favorite closing lines from Gary Owens on Laugh-In: "This program was pre-recorded earlier because we found it difficult to pre-record it later."
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For the record, the Lansing NBC affiliate also runs Regis & Kelly live at 9am, and the third hour of the Today show at 10.
Also, Im wondering how much of a "rule" this FCC thing about live broadcasts really is. Because I watch R&K a lot, and when the show is a rerun, it's still packaged to give the illusion of being a live show. The hosts come out and give the day's date, make generic small talk, and even do the trivia with a viewer. If you weren't paying attention (and I'm sure a lot of their viewers aren't), you'd assume it was live. What they do, of course, is tape a week's worth of intros all at once before they take off a week, and these intros get slapped onto the beginning of highlight packages. If there are disclaimers at all, they're not very obvious.
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It seems to me that the announcer on "Live!" always says "this program was pre-recorded" at the end of the show. It could be on there on the live feed for the few stations that do carry it live, or it may be added if they refeed it at 10 a.m. ET. (I believe on live days "Live!" still runs live robocam shots of Central Park with the WABC time and temp graphic in the corner on some bumpers--with the "ABC7" logo taken out, of course.)
And yes, from the dawn of videotape until the early 80s, Central time zone viewers saw the second hour of "Today" live and the first hour on tape. I believe it was Steve Friedman who decided to have the show air in the same order in all time zones, because "GMA" was already doing that.
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IIRC, some markets in the east coast view Regis & Kelly at 10am, compared to the majority of markets airing it "LIVE" so to speak. OK is Steve Friedman and Harry Friedman related? Isn't Harry Friedman a consultant on CBS's Early Show?
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[quote name=\'14gameshows\' date=\'Feb 23 2005, 04:34 PM\']IIRC, some markets in the east coast view Regis & Kelly at 10am, compared to the majority of markets airing it "LIVE" so to speak. OK is Steve Friedman and Harry Friedman related? Isn't Harry Friedman a consultant on CBS's Early Show?
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The Steve Friedman who's produced news shows is not related to Harry Friedman, as far as I know--neither is he related to the Steve Friedman who worked for Chuck Barris for many years, among other game show producers.