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The Perf reports that GSN will air a James Doohan tribute of four Super Password episodes next week.
According to the fantastic Super Password Episode Guide (http://\"http://www.super-password.com/episode1988.html\") from Jay Smith, this week of shows is from the last week in 1987. So we might get a chance to hear Gene Wood's "The password is..." before each password.
Does anyone know when Gene started to announce each password? I'm looking forward to that.
(OT: Comcast's DVR option is a dangerous, dangerous thing. Having ~80 hours of daytime GSN saved on that thing is daunting and scary. "No, Hayley, we don't have room for Gilmore Girls. I have to leave room for the Passwords tomorrow.)
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 01:59 PM\']Does anyone know when Gene started to announce each password? I'm looking forward to that.
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The exact date I do not know. I DO know it was during the autumnal season of 1986.
The day he started doing it, Gene Wood appeared on camera with Bert Convy at the start of Act II.
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Why did they do that anyway? I never saw any problem with just having the password up on the screen. Is it for the visually impaired?
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[quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 01:00 PM\']Why did they do that anyway? I never saw any problem with just having the password up on the screen. Is it for the visually impaired?
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Because they did the whispering thing on the original Allen Ludden version in the 60's. It's a nod to history.
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But that was back when TV receptions weren't so good and maybe people couldn't see the words through the static. lol
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[quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 01:48 PM\']But that was back when TV receptions weren't so good and maybe people couldn't see the words through the static. lol
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And what do you have to back that up?
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[quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 01:48 PM\']But that was back when TV receptions weren't so good and maybe people couldn't see the words through the static. lol
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Are you really this much of an utter idiot, or is it just an act?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 04:25 PM\'][quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 01:48 PM\']But that was back when TV receptions weren't so good and maybe people couldn't see the words through the static. lol
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Are you really this much of an utter idiot, or is it just an act?
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The 'lol' means he's joking.
or.
I hope the 'lol' means he's joking.
or.
Please tell me the 'lol' means he's joking?
Bet now! Bet now!
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[quote name=\'tvwxman\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 02:27 PM\']The 'lol' means he's joking.[/quote]
The hell it does.
I hope the 'lol' means he's joking.
Don't think so.
Please tell me the 'lol' means he's joking?
Sorry.
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[quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 03:48 PM\']But that was back when TV receptions weren't so good and maybe people couldn't see the words through the static. lol
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Your brain must act in the same way--a little fuzzy. lol
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What is wrong with you people? Ever heard of sarcasm? I think the only idiots around here are the ones that couldn't tell I was joking.
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What is wrong with you people?
Nothing at all.
Ever heard of sarcasm?
Yes. Your post wasn't sarcasm.
I think the only idiots around here are the ones that couldn't tell I was joking.
We're the idiots?
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[quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 05:11 PM\']What is wrong with you people? Ever heard of sarcasm? I think the only idiots around here are the ones that couldn't tell I was joking.
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I got the sarcasm, but I didn't get the joke. Sorry, it just didn't make sense to me.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 05:04 PM\']Your brain must act in the same way--a little fuzzy. lol
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This attacking of other board members because they make a stupid comment or joke is getting a tad old now. Sorry that not everyone can make witty comments like you...
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[quote name=\'ilb4ever2000\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 05:16 PM\']This attacking of other board members because they make a stupid comment or joke is getting a tad old now. Sorry that not everyone can make witty comments like you...
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Lest someone get called out for saying something stupid...I suppose you'd rather this forum dissolve into the GSN boards.
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So...I'm looking forward to when we hit the episodes of SP where we hear more of Gene's dulcet tones.
I know it's been discussed here before too, but when do the new rules on P+ take effect? Do we have a definitive answer?
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 05:17 PM\']Lest someone get called out for saying something stupid...I suppose you'd rather this forum dissolve into the GSN boards.
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OK, fine, call someone out when it's necessary. And no, I don't want this to become the GSN boards...
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And for those who didn't read "The Box" or visit Curt A.'s web site, the practice of whispering the password was Bob Stewart's nod to his mother, who could not read English, even though she could speak it, so she (and other other immigrants who couldn't read English) wouldn't be left out.
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[quote name=\'mitchgroff\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 01:59 PM\']The Perf reports that GSN will air a James Doohan tribute of four Super Password episodes next week.
According to the fantastic Super Password Episode Guide (http://\"http://www.super-password.com/episode1988.html\") from Jay Smith, this week of shows is from the last week in 1987. So we might get a chance to hear Gene Wood's "The password is..." before each password.
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We also miught get to see the full closings on some of this week of shows, as it is the first week of shows without fee plugs at the end of the show. The practice stopped on all NBC game shows airing from 12/28/87 to 1/18/93, although WIn Lose or Draw never had end of show fee plugs on the daytime version which began on 9/7/87.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 08:59 PM\']We also might get to see the full closings on some of this week of shows, as it is the first week of shows without fee plugs at the end of the show.
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At one-twentieth the size. But, yes, we may get to see the MGP logo soar into the air, sans the sound of the air blast.
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To answer a question started early in this thread, Gene Wood started whispering the password the week of October 20, 1986. I too saw no reason for this change. Of course, I saw no reason for a lot of changes that SP took on during its run, like the different camera angles during the end game (and, later, the celeb intros and Ca$hword) and the contestants already being on the set when the show started.
Brendan
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[quote name=\'pyrfan\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 08:43 PM\']To answer a question started early in this thread, Gene Wood started whispering the password the week of October 20, 1986. I too saw no reason for this change. Of course, I saw no reason for a lot of changes that SP took on during its run, like the different camera angles during the end game (and, later, the celeb intros and Ca$hword) and the contestants already being on the set when the show started.
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Y'all just don't do very well with the whole "change" thing, do you?
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 11:03 PM\'][quote name=\'pyrfan\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 08:43 PM\']To answer a question started early in this thread, Gene Wood started whispering the password the week of October 20, 1986. I too saw no reason for this change. Of course, I saw no reason for a lot of changes that SP took on during its run, like the different camera angles during the end game (and, later, the celeb intros and Ca$hword) and the contestants already being on the set when the show started.
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Y'all just don't do very well with the whole "change" thing, do you?
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Then again, is it much of a change when it's using something the original show used in the first place?
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Jul 21 2005, 09:28 PM\']Then again, is it much of a change when it's using something the original show used in the first place?
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A minor "whoosh" for you, as the point of my comment was that Brendan is complaining about other changes that most people didn't even notice, much less care about...
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I was about to post a little reply saying I also thought the changes were pretty much unwarranted, but I did like some aspects of the different screen setup for the bonus.
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[quote name=\'JasonA1\' date=\'Jul 22 2005, 01:17 AM\']I was about to post a little reply saying I also thought the changes were pretty much unwarranted
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Especially the switch to color in 1966. Notice they were cancelled the following year. Coincidence? Irony?
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Have these episodes ever aired on GSN before?
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[quote name=\'Pyramid80\' date=\'Jul 22 2005, 07:14 AM\']Have these episodes ever aired on GSN before?
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The Doohan/Dorn episodes have aired on GSN, but not since 1997. There is about a year of SP episodes that have never aired on GSN, from February 1988-March 1989 IIRC(save for the finale)
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I know it's been discussed here before too, but when do the new rules on P+ take effect? Do we have a definitive answer?
I'd like to know this too. The best we can come up with now is probably early 1982, meaning the changes only took effect for the last three months.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Jul 22 2005, 08:01 AM\']I'd like to know this too. The best we can come up with now is probably early 1982, meaning the changes only took effect for the last three months.
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Actually, the latest it happened was November 1981 (Chuck Donegan has an 11/81 ep with Audrey Landers and Regis in his collection in which those rules were in effect).
If that week wasn't the first week of the rule change, the change could have coincided with P+ taking CS' time slot, which was just a few weeks earlier. Or it could have happened earlier or later. :)
BTW, the eps GSN is now showing are from August 1981.
Doug
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jul 22 2005, 09:03 AM\']
BTW, the eps GSN is now showing are from August 1981.
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What month in 1981 did the rule change on Blockbusters occur which allowed champions to win 20 matches instead to 10? If it occurred later than August, perhaps the P+ progressive jackpot/$500 to win format change coincided with that.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jul 22 2005, 09:18 AM\']What month in 1981 did the rule change on Blockbusters occur which allowed champions to win 20 matches instead to 10? If it occurred later than August, perhaps the P+ progressive jackpot/$500 to win format change coincided with that.
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You may have something there. Tammy Warner's BB collection indicates the "20-game" rule was announced on the 8/31/81 episode.
So if the moves were timed to coincide, we should know in a couple of weeks (P+ aired all-star week reruns for two weeks in August 1981, per matchgame.org), so if GSN stays on that pace the 8/31/81 P+ ep should air on August 1 (fancy that--the day LINGO season 4 debuts).
Doug
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Jul 22 2005, 09:42 AM\']
So if the moves were timed to coincide, we should know in a couple of weeks (P+ aired all-star week reruns for two weeks in August 1981, per matchgame.org), so if GSN stays on that pace the 8/31/81 P+ ep should air on August 1 (fancy that--the day LINGO season 4 debuts).
Doug
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Also, that's the day BB87 shifts back to the premiere episode, and the final episode of Syndie MG82 airs.
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Jul 22 2005, 09:48 AM\']Also, that's the day BB87 shifts back to the premiere episode, and the final episode of Syndie MG82 airs.
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They're not running Classic Concentration? But all those plugs. Teases!!
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All I said was that I didn't think the changes were necessary. In some ways, in my opinion, some of them made the show less enjoyable:
1. The split-screen during the Ca$hword usually meant that you missed the celebrity's reaction to a win.
2. Bert Convy kept forgetting that Gene was whispering the password (or he didn't care), so either he would talk over it or Gene would wait until Bert was finally done and then sneak it in really fast before the first clue was given.
3. My guess is that they had the contestants already on the set to discourage Bert from kibbitzing too much with the celebs before the game started. Not only didn't it work, it made it harder for the stagehands to move the piece into place, seeing as it was now at least 200 pounds heavier each episode.
I'm perfectly cool with change if it improves the game, either in actual playing or cosmetically. I didn't think these changes improved the game.
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I completely agree with most of what you said. Something also looked different about alphabetics. It almost looked like the celeb and contestant were ready to kiss or something. It was too close up and it was very distracting to watch.
Gene wispering the word was a nightmare. I think Bert just flat out forgot to leave time for it. Gene also does not have a good whispering voice. One time, it almost sounded like they purposely edited Bert's voice out mid-sentence so that Gene could say the word. Terrible execution of this addition to the game.
I sure hope they go back to the original episodes as soon as this tribute is over.
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[quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Jul 25 2005, 04:29 PM\']I completely agree with most of what you said. Something also looked different about alphabetics. It almost looked like the celeb and contestant were ready to kiss or something. It was too close up and it was very distracting to watch.
Gene wispering the word was a nightmare. I think Bert just flat out forgot to leave time for it. Gene also does not have a good whispering voice. One time, it almost sounded like they purposely edited Bert's voice out mid-sentence so that Gene could say the word. Terrible execution of this addition to the game.
I sure hope they go back to the original episodes as soon as this tribute is over.
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Gene doesn't have that great of a voice period, as bad as it sounds...but he made up in delivery and enthusiasm. Nasal congestion plus whisper equals what Myron Cope might call a double OY...or was that YOI? Ah, I'm a Philly area guy who cares.
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One quick note..
If GSN stays in early 1988 instead of going back to 1985, we'll see the incident where Rip Taylor rips his toupee off within three weeks.
Of course that depends on where GSN goes in the airings.
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[quote name=\'digiblader\' date=\'Jul 25 2005, 07:36 PM\']One quick note..
If GSN stays in early 1988 instead of going back to 1985, we'll see the incident where Rip Taylor rips his toupee off within three weeks.
Of course that depends on where GSN goes in the airings.
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January 1988 was quite a month for SP. Two weeks from the week currently airing is the Kerry Ketchem/Patrick Quinn $55K+ win. The week after that is the Rip Taylor toupee incident. The week after that is the week Jim Bontempo wins a $12K cashword and retires with a regular game record setting $76,000 after five wins, according to super-password.com
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[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Jul 25 2005, 05:07 PM\']Gene doesn't have that great of a voice period, as bad as it sounds...but he made up in delivery and enthusiasm.
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And he did a helluva warm-up.
By the way, listen to Rich Jeffries announce on SP for a few months and then hear Gene do it. Your respect level for Mr. Wood will rise big time as if it were a mojo.
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[quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Jul 25 2005, 04:29 PM\']Something also looked different about alphabetics. It almost looked like the celeb and contestant were ready to kiss or something. It was too close up and it was very distracting to watch.
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It was a split-screen, with a rather blurry transition between the two. It's not obvious in the dark during the sixty seconds, but in the split second after they bring the lights back up and before the shot changes, it's pretty easy to see. The shots were a little tighter than I would have liked, but it's still better than Osmond Pyramid's attempts to show you close-ups of the participants during the game.
Actually, the whole endgame set looks like it's changed a bit between the episodes we had been seeing and this week. The sign was raised a foot or two, so that Bert's head no longer obscured it during the introduction and post-mortem, but it's also no longer visible on the standard shot they used there, and the set piece holding the monitor had been rotated 90 degrees, so that it was downstage of the contestant, rather than behind the contestant (to stage right).
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jul 25 2005, 09:03 PM\'][quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Jul 25 2005, 05:07 PM\']Gene doesn't have that great of a voice period, as bad as it sounds...but he made up in delivery and enthusiasm.
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And he did a helluva warm-up.
By the way, listen to Rich Jeffries announce on SP for a few months and then hear Gene do it. Your respect level for Mr. Wood will rise big time as if it were a mojo.
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Well, Don being the young whippersnapper I am I do my homework and I have listened to Rich Jeffries enough, and Stevie Wonder can see your point is spot on. And, I've heard some of the stories about Gene's warmups as posted here from Mr. West. Make no mistake on the fact that I have great respect for Gene (more so than Rich Jeffries). In fact, whether I want to or not as an aspiring broadcaster I have respect for most anyone in the field of broadcasting, because they posess jobs I hope to attain. But, I find it hard not to call a spade a spade. He had a very unorthodoxed nasally voice. Not exactly the most pleasing voice in the world to hear, again Jeffries was far worse, but Wood's delivery always made me think of the beloved cartoon character Droopy Dog (interesting...isn't it folks?). Gene is a great...I mean well over 30 years in the game show genre is proof of that...and he's greatly missed.
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[quote name=\'Unrealtor\' date=\'Jul 25 2005, 09:37 PM\'][quote name=\'xibit777\' date=\'Jul 25 2005, 04:29 PM\']Something also looked different about alphabetics. It almost looked like the celeb and contestant were ready to kiss or something. It was too close up and it was very distracting to watch.
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It was a split-screen, with a rather blurry transition between the two. It's not obvious in the dark during the sixty seconds, but in the split second after they bring the lights back up and before the shot changes, it's pretty easy to see. The shots were a little tighter than I would have liked, but it's still better than Osmond Pyramid's attempts to show you close-ups of the participants during the game.
Actually, the whole endgame set looks like it's changed a bit between the episodes we had been seeing and this week. The sign was raised a foot or two, so that Bert's head no longer obscured it during the introduction and post-mortem, but it's also no longer visible on the standard shot they used there, and the set piece holding the monitor had been rotated 90 degrees, so that it was downstage of the contestant, rather than behind the contestant (to stage right).
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The wideshot of the reveal of $600 was awkward as heck...didn't like that at all. I like the splitscreen, but I'm with you on it as well...little too close. Like they're about to kiss or do a romantic duet. I guess it served it's purpose though...to add drama to as Bert called it on Monday's rerun "the endgame".
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Just a comment on the gameplay...
For the first time out, James Doohan so far is a decent player. During Cashword, his 2nd clue for "NONSENSE" was him blurting out nonsensically like the Tasmanian Devil. It was not allowed.
Bert protested, saying "That's no way to treat him the first time out". Bert also learned that Cashword was over when an illegal clue was given. He asked James what exactly he said, and the judges were being lenient and allowed the clue.
Incidentally, James had lost his middle finger during battle in WWII. He makes efforts to hide this, just as Gary Burghoff did with his deformed hand.
As for Michael Dorn... I hope to see better gameplay out of him. It's obvious they were trying to move the game along faster, as Michael failed to give a clue within a 2 second time limit MANY times, causing their opponent to win the game. Also, you can barely hear him! He does look a little uncomfy. Maybe they'll stretch the time limit to give a clue, like they did with Lucille Ball, who was recovering from a mild stroke at the time. Lucy also had learned during the taping that Desi Arnaz died, and according to Betty White, she just wasn't herself.
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Actually, the whole endgame set looks like it's changed a bit between the episodes we had been seeing and this week. The sign was raised a foot or two, so that Bert's head no longer obscured it during the introduction and post-mortem, but it's also no longer visible on the standard shot they used there, and the set piece holding the monitor had been rotated 90 degrees, so that it was downstage of the contestant, rather than behind the contestant (to stage right).
They were in a couple of different NBC studios over the years. It's probably a different studio for these shows than it was for the ones near the beginning of the run. I even remember one episode where they first moved into the new studio, and some of the sound effects made Bert jump because they were so loud.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Jul 26 2005, 08:13 AM\']They were in a couple of different NBC studios over the years. It's probably a different studio for these shows than it was for the ones near the beginning of the run. I even remember one episode where they first moved into the new studio, and some of the sound effects made Bert jump because they were so loud.
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Didn't they rotate throughout the four majors like most of NBC's games of the time? For example, the first SP taping of 1985 came out of Studio 1. Convy had made a point of saying during the first show of that taping (aired 1/22/85), "We're in Johnny Carson's studio, where the audience is all banked up. We'll get a shot of it later" (or words to that effect).
Doug
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James Doohan will be missed but the reruns of Star Trek and the movies will live on! RIP Scotty!!
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' date=\'Jul 26 2005, 05:00 AM\']Just a comment on the gameplay...
For the first time out, James Doohan so far is a decent player. During Cashword, his 2nd clue for "NONSENSE" was him blurting out nonsensically like the Tasmanian Devil. It was not allowed.
Bert protested, saying "That's no way to treat him the first time out". Bert also learned that Cashword was over when an illegal clue was given. He asked James what exactly he said, and the judges were being lenient and allowed the clue.
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It's nice that Bert fights for the contestants/celebs. But on yesterday's 8/1/85 choice rerun, Bert fought just a bit too far. Constance McCashin and the contestant got the last word in the second endgame, Inn, right after the buzzer sounded. Bert said in the post mortem that Standards and Practices would not rule that a win because the contestant said the password just after the buzzer sounded. After the final commercial, they show the last few seconds of the tape, and Bert himself makes the decision that it was close enough and the $20K was awarded to the contestant just as the show closed. HOw in the heck Bert ended up producing game shows despite making bad judgment calls like this I do not know. He had no stake in SP like Barker does with TPIR. This judgment call is every bit as bad as Barker's awarding the prize to that guy from a few months back who pressed the price reveal button in Flip Flop before doing any flipping or flopping.
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It's nice that Bert fights for the contestants/celebs. But on yesterday's 8/1/85 choice rerun, Bert fought just a bit too far. Constance McCashin and the contestant got the last word in the second endgame, Inn, right after the buzzer sounded. Bert said in the post mortem that Standards and Practices would not rule that a win because the contestant said the password just after the buzzer sounded. After the final commercial, they show the last few seconds of the tape, and Bert himself makes the decision that it was close enough and the $20K was awarded to the contestant just as the show closed.
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A clip of this was on John Ricci's videos page for awhile as well.....I remember the contestant screaming...:)
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[quote name=\'zachhoran\' date=\'Aug 2 2005, 09:19 AM\']It's nice that Bert fights for the contestants/celebs. But on yesterday's 8/1/85 choice rerun, Bert fought just a bit too far. Constance McCashin and the contestant got the last word in the second endgame, Inn, right after the buzzer sounded. Bert said in the post mortem that Standards and Practices would not rule that a win because the contestant said the password just after the buzzer sounded. After the final commercial, they show the last few seconds of the tape, and Bert himself makes the decision that it was close enough and the $20K was awarded to the contestant just as the show closed. HOw in the heck Bert ended up producing game shows despite making bad judgment calls like this I do not know. He had no stake in SP like Barker does with TPIR. This judgment call is every bit as bad as Barker's awarding the prize to that guy from a few months back who pressed the price reveal button in Flip Flop before doing any flipping or flopping.
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Y'know, I never thought I'd say this, but we're in almost complete agreement on this one (can't speak for the "producing game shows" part, I'm not qualified to determine that).
I seem to recall a relatively spirited discussion on this when we moved to EZBoard (couldn't find it here or at the old Usenet, so I'm making the assumption that it was there--unfortunately the EZBoard posts are toast due to glitches and attacks), and after viewing the tape there is absoutely no way I would have let that call slide.
This might have been better served in a separate thread, but way to step out.
Doug
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This judgment call is every bit as bad as Barker's awarding the prize to that guy from a few months back who pressed the price reveal button in Flip Flop before doing any flipping or flopping.
I saw an episode of "Price" a while back where a lady was playing the Shell Game. When it came time to place her first chip, she actually picked up one of the shells and looked under it. The reaction was priceless. Whether she did this purposely, or just didn't understand the game, who knows...but when she was going to place her first chip by that shell, Barker said something like "you're not going to put it there are you...you know it's not there". IIRC, she ended up with three chips and put them on the three she didn't pick up - so she ended up winning the prize.
I know at that point you're really only playing against the house, but here's a contestant who clearly had an unfair advantage because of her own miscue. Should she have been forced to place her first chip by the one she picked up?
Maybe this could be a whole separate thread...
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 2 2005, 09:55 AM\']I know at that point you're really only playing against the house, but here's a contestant who clearly had an unfair advantage because of her own miscue. Should she have been forced to place her first chip by the one she picked up?
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I think the buzzer should have been sounded, and the contestants should have been escorted off the stage.
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 2 2005, 10:55 AM\']
I saw an episode of "Price" a while back where a lady was playing the Shell Game. When it came time to place her first chip, she actually picked up one of the shells and looked under it. The reaction was priceless. Whether she did this purposely, or just didn't understand the game, who knows...but when she was going to place her first chip by that shell, Barker said something like "you're not going to put it there are you...you know it's not there". IIRC, she ended up with three chips and put them on the three she didn't pick up - so she ended up winning the prize.
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"Do you mean to tell me, after picking that up, and SEEING that the ball is not there, you're going to put THAT chip by THAT shell?" - Barker
"I laid it down." -Contestant
"That's duuuuuuuuuuuumb." - Barker
At the end of the game......"...everybody knows the damn thing's not there..." :)
Only time I've heard Barker say "damn" on the air. :0
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And Convy didn't do the heavy production lifting on "WLOD" and "3rd Degree!"--that was Richard Kline's job. Convy just hosted and collected the money.