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I know they are running reruns, but Family Feud has posted a season high 3.2 rating during the week of 7/18. Plus, its female 25-54 demo has been doing well, too.
It's great news for the genre, yes. But like what some of you said in previous threads, I can also agree that I cannot stand Richard Karn's "daily show routine". As in:
"I'M GONNA DOUBLE THOSE POINTS!!!"
"...$20,000!!!" **mandatory audience cheers**
"It's going to be tougher, so I'll give you 25 seconds."
"I'm Richard Karn. I'll see you next time...ON THE FEUD!"
The passwords are "more ad lib".
Source: Marc Berman (http://\"http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp\")
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3.2 on a rerun???? I really don't know what to say...
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' date=\'Aug 3 2005, 08:39 AM\']3.2 on a rerun???? I really don't know what to say...
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I do. It'd probably be a 6.4 if it had a decent emcee.
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[quote name=\'NicholasM79\' date=\'Aug 3 2005, 10:39 AM\']3.2 on a rerun???? I really don't know what to say...
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Is this the highest rating Feud's gotten since the Combs era?
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Clearly Richard Karn has made a pact with Satan in order to achieve such high ratings. I would not be surpised to see his shadow delay in movement after he walks away or for him to start clipping his eyebrows in a downward point. He already has the devil beard!
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I do. It'd probably be a 6.4 if it had a decent emcee.
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But since I'm not available, Karn will be employed for the foreseeable future.
But seriously, folks...give Karn some credit, he has reversed the Louie curse. Even if it means we have to strike first blood while eating Hilshire Farm sausage, wearing flannel, and doing the Binford salute.
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Did I read somewhere that this show has been renewed until 2008?
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Aug 3 2005, 10:51 AM\'][quote name=\'NicholasM79\' date=\'Aug 3 2005, 08:39 AM\']3.2 on a rerun???? I really don't know what to say...
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I do. It'd probably be a 6.4 if it had a decent emcee.
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Hey! That'd be DOUBLING THE RATINGS!!!
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[quote name=\'Ian Wallis\' date=\'Aug 3 2005, 02:20 PM\']Did I read somewhere that this show has been renewed until 2008?
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So we already surpassed the superior Combs & Dawson run.
Now can it beat both runs combined? (15 years?)
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As far as half-hours of programming, for a time Ray was doing an hour on CBS and a half-hour in syndication and R. Dawson did ABC and syndie concurrently for approx 5 years, so wouldn't Karn have a ways to go to match their output?
Ian, re: Feud being renewed until 2008, I don't think that is set in stone; It's sorta like my TV Guide subscription, which I had renewed in 2004 to run to 2006, but Gemstar has changed the product on me.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Aug 3 2005, 10:51 AM\']... It'd probably be a 6.4 if it had a decent emcee.
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Does not compute. HSq pulled a 2+ with a decent emcee. Maybe the game's the thing after all.
OTOH, how would Feud do with Patrick Wayne instead of Karn? [ducking]
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Just something as I was thinking of, and will keep this on topic but steer it in a new direction.....
"Match Game" lasted one season from 1998-1999.
"Card Sharks" barely lasted a season.
"To Tell The Truth" lasted a few seasons as well (someone help me with that one!).
The latest incarnation of "Family Feud" has been on since 1999. How is it that FF has taken off, while the rest (with the possible exception of TTTT) have all been busts?
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I would honestly say that it's because the game itself is stronger and more recognizable than the host...
When Louie hosted it, the gameplay sucked...now the gameplay is fine, but Karn (although he has moments where he does ok, and, IMHO, is better than Louie or Dawson's second time) is just so-so.
Match Game tried to recapture an era with bawdy innuendos, but it's prize shrinkage, less-than-stellar panel, and low clearances didn't help it all. Plus, All-American failed to realize that the zaniness on MG didn't come about through forcing these innuendos, they kinda just happened.
To tell the Truth did ok, but I think the era of panel shows has passed.
Card Sharks died because its not as strong of a name as Feud was, and to top it off, they screwed around with a game that probably would have been fine in its original incarnation.
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Aug 3 2005, 03:44 PM\']Just something as I was thinking of, and will keep this on topic but steer it in a new direction.....
"Match Game" lasted one season from 1998-1999.
"Card Sharks" barely lasted a season.
"To Tell The Truth" lasted a few seasons as well (someone help me with that one!).
The latest incarnation of "Family Feud" has been on since 1999. How is it that FF has taken off, while the rest (with the possible exception of TTTT) have all been busts?
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Match Game was a horrible show with an MC not right for the show.
Card Sharks *did not* last for a season... because it was a horrible show AND the MC was stiff.
To Tell the Truth lasted for one and a half seasons. It wasn't a horrible show wtih a sort of interesting format, just kept afloat by a good MC. Not very strong though.
Family Feud has a great format. It barely stayed afloat because it had a horrible MC. It's doing better now because the MC is not-so-horrible. There is a delicate balance that much be achieved, how it's done is anyone's guess.
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[quote name=\'pianogeek\' date=\'Aug 3 2005, 10:25 AM\']I know they are running reruns, but Family Feud has posted a season high 3.2 rating during the week of 7/18. Plus, its female 25-54 demo has been doing well, too.
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3.2? Damn...I think that might be enough to get into the Top 25, but it's been a while since I've seen a syndie ratings list. It would be great if all four syndie shows can get into the Top 25 this upcoming season.
BTW, I've learned to just laugh at the hyperactive audience. Apparently, Fremantle thinks it works. :-P
EDIT: According to a list from April 2005 (http://\"http://www.tvb.org/rcentral/viewertrack/monthly/top25-synd/top25.asp?ms=Apr-2005.asp\"), it would tie for #18, with Millionaire and Judge Joe Brown. So four games in the Top 20, hypothetically. This could be a good sign for 2006, esp. if Deal or No Deal and Ken Jennings' show take off.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Aug 3 2005, 01:53 PM\']To tell the Truth did ok, but I think the era of panel shows has passed.
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<voice quivering> But...but...but! (http://\"http://www.jkeith.net\")
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<voice quivering> But...but...but!
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televised panel shows. Televised.
I think panel shows and Password are too "smart" for people to get now.
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[quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Aug 3 2005, 09:12 PM\']televised panel shows. Televised.
I think panel shows and Password are too "smart" for people to get now.
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I wonder if that's part of the reason that TTTT00 decided to be so spicy with some of their stories, and why GSN is doing a Queer Eye I've Got a Secret*...maybe the producers figure that "traditional"=boring?
*OK, AFAIK, no one from Queer Eye has committed to this...just work with me. ;-)
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I don''t see Feud on the list
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/...dicated,00.html (http://\"http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,272|||syndicated,00.html\")
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Aug 3 2005, 03:44 PM\']The latest incarnation of "Family Feud" has been on since 1999. How is it that FF has taken off, while the rest (with the possible exception of TTTT) have all been busts?
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Instead of answering in four paragraphs, I'll answer the question in just four words: "People love FAMILY FEUD".
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Here are some things that might make it more than just 'better than Louie's show' in no particular order.
1 - Bring back the theme or a variation of it - again
2 - Remember the rotating logo on the 'On the Cover' tset hat seemed like an homage to 'Feud'? Why not do the same here? Imagine a computer generated version of the old revolving board throughout the show
3 - Have some fun w/ the opening with the contestants. Feature them in the opening in a montage a like 'H2'. At a minimum have them run out to their podiums at the start of the show as Burton announces them
4 - Drop the 1976 structure, at least in the main game. Instead play rounds 3, 4 or 5 if necessary in the same segment.
5 - The set still needs work
6 - At a minimum, minimum, have some fun when contestants loose fast money! Give them a jarring buzz or something humorous. Stop doing nothing!
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[quote name=\'PaulD\' date=\'Aug 4 2005, 08:35 PM\']Here are some things that might make it more than just 'better than Louie's show' in no particular order.
1 - Bring back the theme or a variation of it - again
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They did this during Karn's first season. It was badly edited, and sounded horrible, and out of place.
2 - Remember the rotating logo on the 'On the Cover' tset hat seemed like an homage to 'Feud'? Why not do the same here? Imagine a computer generated version of the old revolving board throughout the show
And this would do WHAT? And how is it a homage to Feud? Because it had a rotating logo? O....kayyyyy.
3 - Have some fun w/ the opening with the contestants. Feature them in the opening in a montage a like 'H2'. At a minimum have them run out to their podiums at the start of the show as Burton announces them
Umm...no. I'd love to see them go back to doing family style portraits, like on the Dawson and Combs versions, or even the cartoons from Dawson's return. But people in Hell want ice water and AC.
4 - Drop the 1976 structure, at least in the main game. Instead play rounds 3, 4 or 5 if necessary in the same segment.
Ever hear of commercials?
5 - The set still needs work
Matter of opinion.
6 - At a minimum, minimum, have some fun when contestants loose fast money! Give them a jarring buzz or something humorous. Stop doing nothing!
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You made six suggestions, and all six of them do not a damn thing to make the show better. They made one big change during the Karn era, and got rid of the one-strike triple round. The show is fine, except for the caffinated audience and contestants. If everyone stops hooting and hollering, that right there would improve the show drastically, IMO. A whole bunch of gratuitous fanb0i changes does nothing, which is what your list is headed towards.
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In response to you Paul...
1) The current theme has grown on me. The "B Side of the Louie theme" as I call the package is solid music.
2) While it would be neat, you'll never see it happen. I mean there's a better chance of Mr. Lemon making lemonade come out of his bum...the thought of that disturbs all.
3) Have them run to the podium...that might be okay, but I like the way it is.
4) It's coming up on 2006...a show goes 20-21 mins tops these days, so get over it.
5) What are you the umpire who calls foul balls behind home plate homeruns? The set looks fine as is.
6) Get over yourself.
Hey, I want someone akin to the late Ray Combs hosting, a jackpot of $25,000, and such...but I'm more than happy with what we have now. There is one small request I have...GET A DAMNED PHILADELPHIA STATION TO PICK UP FEUD! And, ahead of time to the resident nerd/troll/whatever the hell he is, Zach, WFMZ-TV doesn't count...that's ALLENTOWN...not PHILADELPHIA.
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[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Aug 4 2005, 09:20 PM\']I mean there's a better chance of Mr. Lemon making lemonade come out of his bum...the thought of that disturbs all.
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Feed me some gazpacho, and stand back. :)
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Uh, Waiter, check please.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 4 2005, 11:24 PM\']Feed me some gazpacho, and stand back. :)
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[MUTE] Nobody wants to see that!
The only four enhancements I can think of are: $10/point for FM losses, bring back the one-strike rule for the Triple round (why do you think they brought back the play/pass option?), coming up with some new dialog for Richard, and bring back the old sign-off line ("Be good to your families, and come back and see out families here on the Feud!"). Gimme my points.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Aug 4 2005, 11:52 PM\']Gimme my points.
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Don't expect me to double them. (ducking)
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Aug 4 2005, 09:52 PM\']bring back the one-strike rule for the Triple round (why do you think they brought back the play/pass option?),
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Certainly not for a bastardized quickie round that ends up deciding the game.
Sorry, I don't see how the one-strike thing is any kind of enhancement whatsoever.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Aug 4 2005, 11:24 PM\'][quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Aug 4 2005, 09:20 PM\']I mean there's a better chance of Mr. Lemon making lemonade come out of his bum...the thought of that disturbs all.
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Hey, my Spanish teacher from high school still has some McDonald's gazpacho from her trip to Spain in mint condition from a few years ago. Will that suffice? LOL.
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1) The current theme has grown on me. The "B Side of the Louie theme" as I call the package is solid music.
I agree...I like the Season 4 cut from the opening.
3) Have them run to the podium...that might be okay, but I like the way it is.
I like that...but I would be happier if the show went back to the season 4 opening instead...I liked it because it was a modern twist on the old open.
5) What are you the umpire who calls foul balls behind home plate homeruns? The set looks fine as is.
Hear, hear. I really like the set, and I don't understand why people complain so much about it- did they really expect them to pull dawson's set out of the trash and use it?
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5) What are you the umpire who calls foul balls behind home plate homeruns? The set looks fine as is.
Hear, hear. I really like the set, and I don't understand why people complain so much about it- did they really expect them to pull dawson's set out of the trash and use it?
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Well, why not? They did it the first time.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Aug 5 2005, 09:55 AM\'][quote name=\'urbanpreppie05\' date=\'Aug 5 2005, 10:35 AM\']
5) What are you the umpire who calls foul balls behind home plate homeruns? The set looks fine as is.
Hear, hear. I really like the set, and I don't understand why people complain so much about it- did they really expect them to pull dawson's set out of the trash and use it?
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Which sets up my pending stupid question...for the CBS run of Feud, did they reconstruct the set from the original blueprints and such or did they literally use parts of the ABC set? I mean I've heard in the instances of when 10K Pyramid went from CBS to ABC, they had to completely recreate the Pyramid set and such.
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Which brings up my not-so-stupid question: why was it necessary to quote not one, not two, but three messages to ask a question about the FF set? Get your parka ready, and make it a heavy one.
The answer (without having to quote any prior messages in their entirety) is that the original FF set was stored outdoors on the old ABC Prospect lot where the wood warped slightly. How those Ferranti-Packard readouts survived the outdoors and were able to run reliably at CBS, I don't know.
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I apologize again...force of habit...ya think the overquoting is bad here...try looking at the quote city on the board I post more readily on, TVNewsTalk.Net. Hey, the dingbats (much like some of you dingbats) over there get to me sometimes with page long quotes. That and sometimes my posts are made when I'm not fully awake. Someone hit me with some sugar.
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The Invision software isn't configurable enough for us to be able to shut off message quoting (what a surprise!), but we do have the ability to take away a member's ability to reply to posts. That goes for everyone, not just you.
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It's worse at MySpace. Not so much how often people overquote, but the dimensions are such that a post with a fourth-generation quote looks like a skyscraper.
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Yet it comes off, Christopher, as if you have such an agenda against me (sorry that we all can't be as perfect as you)...if that's the worst thing I do, then stone me...there are far worse posters on this board that have done far worse things, my honorable colleague. Here's an idea...let's talk about game shows and as Ross Shafer says "sweat the small stuff".
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[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Aug 5 2005, 06:29 AM\']Hey, my Spanish teacher from high school still has some McDonald's gazpacho from her trip to Spain in mint condition from a few years ago. Will that suffice? LOL.
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I imagine if I ate that, a lot more than just lemonade would come out of my bum. :)
McPacho? Interesting. I'm reminded of my reaction when McDonalds started selling soup, including McChowdah.
[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Aug 5 2005, 11:27 AM\'](sorry that we all can't be as perfect as you)
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And you're new, so some friendly advice: The last person who copped at attitude when Chris told someone to cut it the hell out is now trying to run a competing message board whose entire userbase consists of idiots and rejects who have mostly been forcibly disinvited from posting here.
Just sayin'.
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CL, my Spanish teacher was a nut job...she's like 50 years old but dressed like she was 20 years younger at times. I guess when in Spain do like...you do at home...and go to McDonalds? Yeah anyway, she was cool though and everything...hey she let me host a Spanish version of Let's Make a Deal. Then, again it paled in comparison to the Senior Class English versions of Hollywood Squares and Family Feud (where the ladies actually let me kiss them).
I appreciate the friendly advice...I mean I'm a sarcastic, cynical, SOB (kinda like you Mr. Lemon, and I mean that in the nicest possible way believe it or not)...but I'm also one of the nicest guys around. But, when someone goes off about me about things that in the great scheme of being mean not a damn thing, I call it as I see it (that play by play announcing trait of mine), and try to make them comprende how stupid and petty the notion is. I'm sure he means well, and I'm going to try not to overquote, but God help me when I do...he'll try to send me to the Thousand Dollar Bee lounge.
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[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Aug 5 2005, 11:37 AM\']Family Feud (where the ladies actually let me kiss them).
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Dude. Don't set an amateur comic up like this. :)
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Back on topic: anyone have a clue if a legit Philadelphia station will pick up the Binford Feud this season?
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[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Aug 5 2005, 02:27 PM\']Yet it comes off, Christopher, as if you have such an agenda against me (sorry that we all can't be as perfect as you)...if that's the worst thing I do, then stone me...there are far worse posters on this board that have done far worse things, my honorable colleague.
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Most of the people who have done far worse things have been banned.
Here's an idea...let's talk about game shows and as Ross Shafer says "sweat the small stuff".
If overquoting is such "small stuff" then it's not too much to ask you to stop doing it, is it?
Trust me -- the directive was not targeted only at you. I've seen many others do it and have edited it out from time to time (do a search for "Massive Overquoting Deleted" and you'll see a few examples), but I'm getting sick of doing it. Others have been warned about it as well; you're just the first who's complained when asked to stop.
We're far less anal about bandwidth than we used to be, but this is hardly an unreasonable request.
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[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Aug 5 2005, 02:27 PM\']Yet it comes off, Christopher, as if you have such an agenda against me (sorry that we all can't be as perfect as you)...if that's the worst thing I do, then stone me...there are far worse posters on this board that have done far worse things, my honorable colleague.[/quote]
What's being asked of you and others is basic netiquette. Trimming the quoted portions of a reply out of respect to others is hardly brain surgery. Remember, you're a guest using a free service, paid for and provided by both Chris, Matt, and chopped liver, er, Dave. You might wanna remove the parenthetical portion of the above post, if not wiping out the entire post.
As I previously said on this board, confronting a moderator always ends up with the aggressor losing. I've met Chris. He's a nice guy who doesn't hold petty grudges. You have vastly overreacted to this situation.
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Thanks Mike for the input...and yeah you're prolly right in some respect. Again, a mere difference in boards which I tend to go back and forth from leaves the occasional mental lapse. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to cue up the VCR for Monty Python at 4 on BBC America...they're finally showing the Parrot sketch again, WOO HOO!
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[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Aug 5 2005, 11:37 AM\']But, when someone goes off about me about things that in the great scheme of being mean not a damn thing, I call it as I see it (that play by play announcing trait of mine), and try to make them comprende how stupid and petty the notion is.
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Well, except, when wearing a moderator hat, Matt, Chris, and David's "great scheme of being" HAS to be isolated to this board, and they would be doing themselves and us a great disservice if they approached it any other way. And in the microcosm of this board, massive amounts of overquoting is a pretty big offense, it's the equivalent of the guy in your meeting at work who prattles ON AND ON AND ON and just won't shut up so that someone else can get a word in.
So as one PBP announcer to another, cut 'em some slack, huh? I dont always agree with them, either, but I do step back and look at the big picture (another trait you would do well to incorporate into your PBP) and try to understand why they make the calls they do.
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I comprende, say no more...consider the argument a foot in mouth on my part.
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Seems to me that they got a new Ferranti-Packer for the '88 version, or at least an upgrade--since the readouts appeared faster and they could do the split where two lines could change at the same time. Unlike the Dawson days, the board tended to completely reset by the time Combs was finished saying, "Let's show everyone [name]'s answers--and let's put 20 seconds on the clock..."
And "...five more seconds, because it's harder" or something like it has been standard host verbiage on "Feud" from the beginning. Even when Dawson or Combs didn't go through the rules at the top of Fast Money, they seemed to almost always mention not repeating answers and the extra time. Maybe Karn could find different ways to say it, but perhaps Gaby Johnston's just relieved that he can keep on track.
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Aug 8 2005, 03:21 PM\']Seems to me that they got a new Ferranti-Packer for the '88 version, or at least an upgrade--since the readouts appeared faster and they could do the split where two lines could change at the same time. Unlike the Dawson days, the board tended to completely reset by the time Combs was finished saying, "Let's show everyone [name]'s answers--and let's put 20 seconds on the clock..."
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I seem to remember on the Combs version, when Combs would do the intro and the board would quickly reverse itself that during a special week they had some sort of a graphic on the board in it's reversed mode. Just a faint memory in a far recessed brain cell, but I thought they had it showing something other than just "Family Feud" from time to time.
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[quote name=\'isucgv\' date=\'Aug 9 2005, 09:44 PM\']I seem to remember on the Combs version, when Combs would do the intro and the board would quickly reverse itself that during a special week they had some sort of a graphic on the board in it's reversed mode. Just a faint memory in a far recessed brain cell, but I thought they had it showing something other than just "Family Feud" from time to time.
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There was a time in 1990 (correct me if I am wrong) when the reversed mode actually said "Merry Xmas." Said week of episodes aired on GSN about a year or so ago.
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I'm almost certain that they aired the 1988 Xmas eps which had said effect to the big board.
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The only thing about the Karn Feud I'd like to see different are all the caffeinated camera zoom-ins from practically every corner of the studio.
An occasional "flying camera" shot is OK, perhaps at the beginning or end of the show, but some of those shots look like Fremantle put a mini-camera on the top of a paper airplane and threw it from the top of the audience bleachers just to see what it looks like on TV.
TPIR does a few flying camera shots -- but only on the Million Dollar Specials, and they use it conservatively. And by not using the flying camera at all on the daytime version makes the effect even better on primetime. I think if they used that technique on the daytime show on the same frequency as Feud, it would get old and irritating very quickly.
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The worst use of flying cameras has to be "Tonight Show". As much as love the show and Jay, those flying shots, especially the camera that flies around and then focuses and "bounces" off Kevin, can make anyone puke.
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FYI: That "flying camera" is called a jib. ;)
BTW, the "bouning" shot of Kevin Eubanks is actually done by a camera on a regular studio pedestal.
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Are you saying you want MORE of these "caffeinated" camera shots?
I have some issues with those "flying" shots. Why is there only one jib on one side of the studio, and why is there a jib in the first place?!
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Aug 10 2005, 01:18 PM\']The worst use of flying cameras has to be "Tonight Show". As much as love the show and Jay, those flying shots, especially the camera that flies around and then focuses and "bounces" off Kevin, can make anyone puke.
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I agree, it's more irritating than anything. HSq did something similar during the first few seasons, and I was kinda glad that they at least toned it down during the H2 era.
The one Feud shot I can't stand is when they have the long credits, and at the very end, the "jib" gets a shot of the set, then does a 45 degree tilt. Don't know why, but they only started doing this during the Karn era. (save the fancy camerawork for MTV, guys. :-P)
Slightly related to the FF cameras, I actually liked how during Louie's intros, they'd start with a swooping shot of the set, and how right before Fast Money, the boom (?) cam would zoom down toward Louie and one of the contestants.
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Aug 10 2005, 09:59 PM\'] Are you saying you want MORE of these "caffeinated" camera shots?
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You TOTALLY misread his statement. At any rate, the occasional jib shot is a nice touch.
Brandon Brooks