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September 4th, 1972; the day that changed daytime TV.
CBS gets back in the game show groove by launching a 90-minute block of game shows that would immediately become audience faves.
The three in question were The Joker's Wild, the original Gambit, and, of course, the remake of The Price is Right.
And as the next two decades would prove, this was only the beginning!
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Holly Hallstrom of the Big Board!
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Yes, it was good to have CBS back in the morning game show business, but it was the beginning of the end for Dinah, Concentration and $ale over on NBC, which had been cruising along nicely up to that point.
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And also, 8 years ago today, Dan Melia won the very first car ever won on Jeopardy! during the regular play, and 16 years ago today, Wheel of Fortune gets its new theme music and a new set and their new studio facility and Jeopardy! cuts its beginning part of the theme music when Johnny introduced the contestants and 17 years ago tomorrow, M.G. Kelly announces Wheel on his first evening announcing and marks the debut of the $25,000 sign with thousands of bulbs.
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[quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Sep 4 2005, 06:27 PM\']And also, HUH?
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Good evening to you too!
Anyways, this anniversary makes me wonder... Right now, there's only one well-known game show on daytime TV right now. This is similar to what happened right before Sept. 1972 where there was only one well-known game show (Concentration, your opinion may vary) on daytime TV. Do you think sometime in the future, there could be a day where a network decides to make a huge game show block in daytime like CBS did in '72?
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[quote name=\'NewJersey137\' date=\'Sep 4 2005, 05:50 PM\']This is similar to what happened right before Sept. 1972 where there was only one well-known game show (Concentration, your opinion may vary) on daytime TV.
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And does vary--Fleming J! and Marshall HSq were well into their runs by that time. I'd say those were as well-known as CONCENTRATION, if not more.
Doug
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ABC had four somewhat venerable shows on at the time. Password, LMAD, Newlywed and Dating Game
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[quote name=\'SRIV94\' date=\'Sep 4 2005, 10:28 PM\']And does vary--Fleming J! and Marshall HSq were well into their runs by that time. I'd say those were as well-known as CONCENTRATION, if not more.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Sep 4 2005, 10:50 PM\']ABC had four somewhat venerable shows on at the time. Password, LMAD, Newlywed and Dating Game
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Well, so much for that example! :)
But still, there could be a day where some network just goes bezerk and puts game shows back not daytime. Probably not though.
EDIT: No, I'm not going to go all crazy posting things like "OMG!!!! I HOPE NETWORK GS's COME BACK OR ELSE!!!111." I'm not that stupid! :)
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Do you think sometime in the future, there could be a day where a network decides to make a huge game show block in daytime like CBS did in '72?
First there's the small obstacle that the networks no longer program in the mornings (TPIR excluded).
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There is little incentive to change the status quo, especially since each network is tied to a syndication company that sells to local stations. Viacom, Fox, Universal and Disney provide shows for time slots where CBS, FBC, NBC and ABC are inactive.
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[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' date=\'Sep 5 2005, 03:54 PM\'] FBC,
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You mean FOX, don't you?
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[quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Sep 5 2005, 04:09 PM\']You mean FOX, don't you?
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FBC might be "Fox Broadcasting Company" to differentiate it from the FOX syndication arm.
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[quote name=\'chris319\' date=\'Sep 5 2005, 01:31 PM\']First there's the small obstacle that the networks no longer program in the mornings (TPIR excluded).
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What about "The View" on ABC? Or the extra hour of The Today Show on NBC?
[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Sep 5 2005, 04:48 PM\'][quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Sep 5 2005, 04:09 PM\']You mean FOX, don't you?
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FBC might be "Fox Broadcasting Company" to differentiate it from the FOX syndication arm.
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In 1986, when the Fox network started, TV Guide did just that -- they used "FBC" in the "Channels Listed" page to identify Fox affiliates. This only lasted a couple of weeks at most -- they soon identified these affiliates simply as "Fox".
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FBC was officially dropped by FOX at which time it became.....FOX in 1987 shortly after the merciful cancellation of The Late Show Starring Joan Rivers.
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[quote name=\'rugrats1\' date=\'Sep 5 2005, 06:50 PM\']In 1986, when the Fox network started, TV Guide did just that -- they used "FBC" in the "Channels Listed" page to identify Fox affiliates. This only lasted a couple of weeks at most -- they soon identified these affiliates simply as "Fox".
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And the early Fox network IDs showed "FBC" as well... I remember seeing them before The Late Show with Joan Rivers and Married with Children.
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[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Sep 5 2005, 04:48 PM\'][quote name=\'musicman\' date=\'Sep 5 2005, 04:09 PM\']You mean FOX, don't you?
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FBC might be "Fox Broadcasting Company" to differentiate it from the FOX syndication arm.
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The syndication arm is known as 20th Television--to differentiate itself from the network production arm, 20th Century Fox Television, and the cable/reality show production arm, Fox Television Studios.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 06:37 AM\']And the early Fox network IDs showed "FBC" as well... I remember seeing them before The Late Show with Joan Rivers and Married with Children.
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I remember those IDs...on the granite background, right? I could have sworn the letters were "F O X", with "Fox Broadcasting Company" spelled out underneath.
(And the Wikipedia article (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Network\") is wrong, isn't it? They claim the first two prime time shows were Married With Children and Tracey Ullman, but I could have sworn that first night was the same episode of MWC and Duet, alternating back and forth for two or three hours.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 04:51 PM\'][quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 06:37 AM\']And the early Fox network IDs showed "FBC" as well... I remember seeing them before The Late Show with Joan Rivers and Married with Children.
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I remember those IDs...on the granite background, right? I could have sworn the letters were "F O X", with "Fox Broadcasting Company" spelled out underneath.
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The letters were "F B C." The words underneath may well have been "Fox Broadcasting Company" -- I don't remember for certain.
(And the Wikipedia article (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Network\") is wrong, isn't it? They claim the first two prime time shows were Married With Children and Tracey Ullman, but I could have sworn that first night was the same episode of MWC and Duet, alternating back and forth for two or three hours.)
Per a check of Alex Ben Block's book "Outfoxed" (not related to the Robert Greenwald documentary about Fox News), the Wikipedia article is correct.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 03:56 PM\']
(And the Wikipedia article (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Network\") is wrong, isn't it? They claim the first two prime time shows were Married With Children and Tracey Ullman, but I could have sworn that first night was the same episode of MWC and Duet, alternating back and forth for two or three hours.)
Per a check of Alex Ben Block's book "Outfoxed" (not related to the Robert Greenwald documentary about Fox News), the Wikipedia article is correct.
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Per Brooks and Marsh's Complete Book of Prime Time Television (or whatever it's called), Married...With Children and The Tracey Ullman Show debuted 4/5/87; Duet started two weeks later.
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[quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 01:56 PM\']The letters were "F B C." The words underneath may well have been "Fox Broadcasting Company" -- I don't remember for certain.
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Upon further mental review, that's right. I remember it being odd that they used those IDs since the network was already being referred to as "Fox" by pretty much everyone else, and it would have been better from a recognition standpoint to just acquiesce. As it turns out, that's what happened. :)
Per a check of Alex Ben Block's book "Outfoxed" (not related to the Robert Greenwald documentary about Fox News), the Wikipedia article is correct.
Fair enough. It was a damned long time ago. I just remember it being kinda silly that they would launch a single night of prime time with two shows and keep repeating them.
(Of course, then they added Saturdays and started calling it "Fox Weekend Television". I remember the "Don't let Fox Weekend pass you by!" campaign. Did UPN and WB start in the same manner? I never even saw full-blown affiliates for either of those for any length of time until I moved to Seattle in 1998, and by then they were already pretty fleshed out.)
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 04:20 PM\'][quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 01:56 PM\']The letters were "F B C." The words underneath may well have been "Fox Broadcasting Company" -- I don't remember for certain.
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Upon further mental review, that's right. I remember it being odd that they used those IDs since the network was already being referred to as "Fox" by pretty much everyone else, and it would have been better from a recognition standpoint to just acquiesce. As it turns out, that's what happened. :)[/quote]
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And the O&Os were already using the Fox branding from the moment they bought out the stations from Metromedia. (I'm sure the affiliates were another matter--it was probably years before more than half the stations were calling themselves "Fox [channel number].")
(Of course, then they added Saturdays and started calling it "Fox Weekend Television". I remember the "Don't let Fox Weekend pass you by!" campaign. Did UPN and WB start in the same manner? I never even saw full-blown affiliates for either of those for any length of time until I moved to Seattle in 1998, and by then they were already pretty fleshed out.)
Seems to me that The WB started on a Wednesday and then went backwards to Sunday and eventually forwards to Friday. UPN seemed to have started on Tuesday and Wednesday (since "Voyager" was always on Wednesday) and then added the other weekdays. IIRC.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Sep 5 2005, 07:08 PM\']FBC was officially dropped by FOX at which time it became.....FOX in 1987 shortly after the merciful cancellation of The Late Show Starring Joan Rivers.
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Subsequent to said cancellation, technical director David Hallmark surfaced at CBS where he is now the technical director for some obscure daytime show.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 04:15 PM\'][quote name=\'dzinkin\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 03:56 PM\']
(And the Wikipedia article (http://\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Network\") is wrong, isn't it? They claim the first two prime time shows were Married With Children and Tracey Ullman, but I could have sworn that first night was the same episode of MWC and Duet, alternating back and forth for two or three hours.)
Per a check of Alex Ben Block's book "Outfoxed" (not related to the Robert Greenwald documentary about Fox News), the Wikipedia article is correct.
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Per Brooks and Marsh's Complete Book of Prime Time Television (or whatever it's called), Married...With Children and The Tracey Ullman Show debuted 4/5/87; Duet started two weeks later.
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I thought they came at the end of the February, 1987 sweeps....
Anyway, on that first night, the Married With Children and Tracey Ullman hour aired three times (7, 8, and 9 ET). The next week was 21 Jump Street, followed by Duet in week three. Fox had a Saturday block the next season, but that's where their first cancellations were.
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 08:19 PM\']
Fox had a Saturday block the next season, but that's where their first cancellations were.
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I think the Saturday block actually started in the summer of '87......I remember being particularly fond of "The New Adventures of Beans Baxter"...
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[quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 09:30 PM\']I think the Saturday block actually started in the summer of '87......I remember being particularly fond of "The New Adventures of Beans Baxter"...
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According to Wikipedia, July '87.
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 11:15 PM\'][quote name=\'aaron sica\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 09:30 PM\']I think the Saturday block actually started in the summer of '87......I remember being particularly fond of "The New Adventures of Beans Baxter"...
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According to Wikipedia, July '87.
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ObGameShow: Created by Savage Steve Holland, who also created a certain animated character on some 80s game show. :)
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[quote name=\'sshuffield70\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 07:19 PM\']Anyway, on that first night, the Married With Children and Tracey Ullman hour aired three times (7, 8, and 9 ET). The next week was 21 Jump Street, followed by Duet in week three.
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Anybody else remember "Duet"? That was a good show, sort of like "Will & Grace" in that the supporting characters were way funnier than the leads. Then the network started messing with it and screwed it up.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Sep 7 2005, 11:50 AM\']Anybody else remember "Duet"? That was a good show, sort of like "Will & Grace" in that the supporting characters were way funnier than the leads. Then the network started messing with it and screwed it up.
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One of our members was on that show.
Oh wait, that guy had one too many "m"'s. Sorry. :)
Doug
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All right, that's it. Go sit over there next to Alison LaPlaca.
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[quote name=\'Neumms\' date=\'Sep 7 2005, 11:50 AM\']Anybody else remember "Duet"? That was a good show, sort of like "Will & Grace"[/quote]
You lost me.
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I had forgotten what Allison's last name was. I knew the other three were Matthew Laurance, Mary Page Kellar, and Chris "2 Ms" Lemmon.
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And just for fun, I'll mention Duet's spinoff, Open House, which gave game show fan Ellen DeGeneres her big break as Margo VanMeter.
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[quote name=\'calliaume\' date=\'Sep 6 2005, 04:15 PM\']Per Brooks and Marsh's Complete Book of Prime Time Television (or whatever it's called), Married...With Children and The Tracey Ullman Show debuted 4/5/87; Duet started two weeks later.
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Ah, but whenever it started, it was a lovely, lovely show. I think I still have the premiere on tape somewhere. Actually, I hope I still have it...
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And one of our regulars just *luvs* Alison LaPlaca...
http://www.mikeburger.com/laplaca.html (http://\"http://www.mikeburger.com/laplaca.html\")
Some other familiar names are entered in this year's pool, which is closed--[John Henson] Sorry, Tennessee! [JH]
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[quote name=\'uncamark\' date=\'Sep 8 2005, 02:18 PM\']http://www.mikeburger.com/laplaca.html (http://\"http://www.mikeburger.com/laplaca.html\")
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Note to self: enter next year. But I don't think Monday Night Football should count because it's a limited-run series like Survivor, and it's not gone after this year--it's just moving to ESPN.
ObGS(N): ESPN gave us Zach Selwyn.
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[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Sep 8 2005, 02:17 PM\']Note to self: enter next year. But I don't think Monday Night Football should count because it's a limited-run series like Survivor, and it's not gone after this year--it's just moving to ESPN.
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I thought it was said expressedly that it would not for the purpose of the LaPlaca Open. At any rate, either one or the other can be applied: the show is either changing networks (to ESPN, still produced by the same folks, I'm sure), and/or changing nights and networks (to NBC, Sundays). Neither is a cancellation.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Sep 8 2005, 04:37 PM\']I thought it was said expressedly that it would not for the purpose of the LaPlaca Open. At any rate, either one or the other can be applied: the show is either changing networks (to ESPN, still produced by the same folks, I'm sure), and/or changing nights and networks (to NBC, Sundays). Neither is a cancellation.
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Speculation abounds when the correct answer could have been asked for? It almost ranks a "wow".
Monday Night Football will count as a cancellation, from the rules (emphasis mine, as well as the non-emphasized parts):
A show is considered cancelled when it is determined that there will be no more first run episodes of the selected show on any of the six major networks after 31 August 2006.
Or, as I put it to someone else, it's my game, I can do whatever I want. It's not like I've ever won it anyway.
--Mike
ObGS: Three-time LaPlaca winner James Dinan was on Millionaire twice and Two Minute Drill.
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[quote name=\'Winkfan\' date=\'Sep 4 2005, 04:59 PM\']September 4th, 1972; the day that changed daytime TV.
CBS gets back in the game show groove by launching a 90-minute block of game shows that would immediately become audience faves.
The three in question were The Joker's Wild, the original Gambit, and, of course, the remake of The Price is Right.
And as the next two decades would prove, this was only the beginning!
Cordially,
Tammy Warner--the 'Holly Hallstrom of the Big Board!
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A big breath of fresh air, indeed.
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[quote name=\'NewJersey137\' date=\'Sep 4 2005, 06:50 PM\'][quote name=\'irismason42\' date=\'Sep 4 2005, 06:27 PM\']And also, HUH?
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Good evening to you too!
Anyways, this anniversary makes me wonder... Right now, there's only one well-known game show on daytime TV right now. This is similar to what happened right before Sept. 1972 where there was only one well-known game show (Concentration, your opinion may vary) on daytime TV. Do you think sometime in the future, there could be a day where a network decides to make a huge game show block in daytime like CBS did in '72?
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I think it's highly unlikely that we will see such a thing again on daytime. Most affiliates have syndicated programming on before Soap Operas and talk shows, etc (Yes, I said talk shows). BTW, you're in Hightstown? I recently started working in East Windsor Regional School District. Small world, huh?