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I could have sworn that during The Tampax Jackpot Round one night not long ago that jackpot rose without anyone spinning the wheel. Are they now hacking out people spinning to get in their 16 puzzles per show?
Also, has there been an increase in the puzzles per program as The Sony Staff had prayed?
In addition, does anyone like that what's behind the ?$1000? mystery space is revealed to the folks at home before the contestant decides whether to pick it up or not? Next will they be revealing the puzzle before the first spin to "make it more fun" for the audience? Classic Concentration tried that for a week or so during its run before it mercifully went the way of my virginity and the home audience sneak peek went away for good.
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I like the new Mystery Round feature.
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I don't like it.
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I hate the new mystery round feature--definitely not mysterious when you know whats on the other side.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Oct 5 2005, 10:09 PM\']I could have sworn that during The Tampax Jackpot Round one night not long ago
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Was this a red-letter puzzle?
I'll be here all week.
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I can't stand the new mystery round reveal. It takes the suspense and fun out of that portion of the game. I hope it doesn't stay on that long. I just wonder what is "Wheel" trying to do---take the fun away from the viewer.
BTW, I watched the Tuesday episode tonight (The show is viewed a day late due to "Monday Night Football") and the contestant who won the game was a terrific puzzle solver, yet she couldn't solve the bonus, which looked to me somewhat easy to solve.
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[quote name=\'JohnTheGameMan\' date=\'Oct 5 2005, 11:16 PM\']I can't stand the new mystery round reveal. It takes the suspense and fun out of that portion of the game. I hope it doesn't stay on that long. I just wonder what is "Wheel" trying to do---take the fun away from the viewer.
BTW, I watched the Tuesday episode tonight (The show is viewed a day late due to "Monday Night Football") and the contestant who won the game was a terrific puzzle solver, yet she couldn't solve the bonus, which looked to me somewhat easy to solve.
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Um, ok. (falls asleep while reading this)
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[quote name=\'fostergray82\' date=\'Oct 5 2005, 09:16 PM\'][quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Oct 5 2005, 10:09 PM\']I could have sworn that during The Tampax Jackpot Round one night not long ago
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Was this a red-letter puzzle?
I'll be here all week.
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I had a Trojan Jackpot Round just the other night.
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- They've been editing out entire spins where they think they can get away with it for quite awhile now. And their carelessness doing so has led to many incidents of jackpots mysteriously rising, letters magically appearing or prizes inexplicably ending up in someone's bank.
- So far this season there was one game with 7 regular puzzles plus the toss-ups and the bonus round. Save for that, no game has gone past round 5, and most of them are still starting round 4 with the speed-up bell.
- I think the new mystery wedge reveal is a double-edged sword. People want to know if the guy could have won the car/prize/whatever if he didn't go for it. But on the other hand, it totally ruins the suspense if he does go for it. I guess I'll just have to learn to look away from the screen for a few seconds when they reveal it.
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[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Oct 5 2005, 10:09 PM\']In addition, does anyone like that what's behind the ?$1000? mystery space is revealed to the folks at home before the contestant decides whether to pick it up or not? Next will they be revealing the puzzle before the first spin to "make it more fun" for the audience? Classic Concentration tried that for a week or so during its run before it mercifully went the way of my virginity and the home audience sneak peek went away for good.
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I'm just so glad I wasn't watching when you gave the home audience a sneak peek at your virginity...
(The mystery space reveal does seem silly, I'll admit.)
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[quote name=\'WilliamPorygon\' date=\'Oct 6 2005, 03:59 AM\']- They've been editing out entire spins where they think they can get away with it for quite awhile now. And their carelessness doing so has led to many incidents of jackpots mysteriously rising, letters magically appearing or prizes inexplicably ending up in someone's bank.[/quote]
This may be a foolish question, but where, other than "final spins" that don't land on money, can they get away with editing out spins?
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Then they should reveal it afterwards.
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' date=\'Oct 16 2005, 03:15 PM\']This may be a foolish question, but where, other than "final spins" that don't land on money, can they get away with editing out spins?
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"Portions not affecting gameplay have been edited......"
BTW welcome back...I forget your name...but I know that you were an oldtimer at ATGS.
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"Portions not affecting gameplay have been edited......"
That's what I mean. I can't think of any other spin that doesn't affect the game in some way. Either the contestant picks a correct letter, adding to the puzzle and their score, or they land on bankrupt or lose a turn or guess wrong, making it the next player's turn.
BTW welcome back...I forget your name...but I know that you were an oldtimer at ATGS.
Thanks! (My name's John Sergent, and I can't remember yours either but it's probably on the board someplace)
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[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' date=\'Oct 16 2005, 02:12 PM\']
"Portions not affecting gameplay have been edited......"
That's what I mean. I can't think of any other spin that doesn't affect the game in some way. Either the contestant picks a correct letter, adding to the puzzle and their score, or they land on bankrupt or lose a turn or guess wrong, making it the next player's turn.
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Perhaps three wrong guesses in a row? That would bring control back to the original player.
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[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Oct 16 2005, 02:34 PM\']Perhaps three wrong guesses in a row? That would bring control back to the original player.
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Or any combination of three wrong guesses and Bankrupt or Lose A Turn spaces. With any of those, the state of the board does not change, so if three happen, as you said, they could chop that sequence out and nobody would be the wiser, since we don't see the Used Letter Screen and therefore have no idea what's been knocked off.
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[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Oct 16 2005, 04:46 PM\']Or any combination of three wrong guesses and Bankrupt or Lose A Turn spaces. With any of those, the state of the board does not change, so if three happen, as you said, they could chop that sequence out and nobody would be the wiser, since we don't see the Used Letter Screen and therefore have no idea what's been knocked off.[/quote]
The difference here is between "doesn't affect play", "doesn't affect play noticeably", and "affects play but they cut it anyway". Taking out three Lose a Turns in a row is the first. Taking out three missed letters is the second. Taking out three Bankrupts, except that a good letter was called in between them, and two of the players had money showing--that would be the third, and that's the type those of us still hanging in with Wheel have been noticing more and more.
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[quote name=\'Robert Hutchinson\' date=\'Oct 16 2005, 07:03 PM\']Taking out three Bankrupts, except that a good letter was called in between them, and two of the players had money showing--that would be the third, and that's the type those of us still hanging in with Wheel have been noticing more and more.
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Oh, sure, I'm not saying they're not completely screwing up. Far from it. But HTHYBT was asking for situations where it might happen aside from extending the final spin, so I offered up a couple.
Very clearly they are either not noticing or not caring about the continuity errors that are happening on the show today.
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Let's just hope we'll never see that happening on J!
Can you imagine answers where none of the contestants ring in being edited out? I think that would be very noticable, especially if there were a series of answers being answered wrong. (It would look much like the poor edits done on LMAD when it was on Family Channel)
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' date=\'Oct 17 2005, 05:42 AM\']Let's just hope we'll never see that happening on J!
Can you imagine answers where none of the contestants ring in being edited out? I think that would be very noticable
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Don't give Sony any ideas or this will start happening on J!. TPIR, however, could get away with editing out IUFB overbids and SCSD booed spins when the show runs long, but AFAIK they've never done that.
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[quote name=\'whewfan\' date=\'Oct 17 2005, 05:42 AM\']Let's just hope we'll never see that happening on J!
Can you imagine answers where none of the contestants ring in being edited out? I think that would be very noticable, especially if there were a series of answers being answered wrong. (It would look much like the poor edits done on LMAD when it was on Family Channel)
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One would think that such a thing would reduce the play-along value for the viewers, therefore I doubt that such cuts would ever happen.
(Of course, if such cuts do happen, then it will just prove to me that the current English-speaking television industry in the United States has no idea how to produce a well-made game show anymore; it seems to me that Jeopardy! is the lone high-quality holdout.)
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[quote name=\'Tony\' date=\'Oct 17 2005, 03:45 PM\'][quote name=\'whewfan\' date=\'Oct 17 2005, 05:42 AM\']Let's just hope we'll never see that happening on J!
Can you imagine answers where none of the contestants ring in being edited out? I think that would be very noticable, especially if there were a series of answers being answered wrong. (It would look much like the poor edits done on LMAD when it was on Family Channel)
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One would think that such a thing would reduce the play-along value for the viewers, therefore I doubt that such cuts would ever happen.
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And people would notice it. Friedman knows that a lot of the hardcore "J!" audience would catch these sort of things that the "Wheel" audience might not catch, and wouldn't think of doing it. If you're not going to show clues, viewers will at least accept the round running out of time, but not clues magically disappearing from the board. Besides, the show is pretty much down to the bone in structure as it is and any attempts to jazz it up beyond the Clue Crew (like "Wheel") would probably not be treated well.
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Actually, I do remember a weird edit on J! two or three years ago. Alex read a clue during DJ!, and immediately afterward, the "time's up" sound played, and he gave the question. Even my dad noticed it. I'm still puzzled as to why they did it.
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[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' date=\'Oct 17 2005, 05:42 PM\']Actually, I do remember a weird edit on J! two or three years ago. Alex read a clue during DJ!, and immediately afterward, the "time's up" sound played, and he gave the question. Even my dad noticed it. I'm still puzzled as to why they did it.
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I can think of a couple scenarious for this that aren't quite as egregious as Wheel's editing. Possibly the correct response was revealed inadvertantly and they decided to throw out the question/answer.
They also could have run long and somebody was a little overzealous in cutting that down. Clues where nobody rings in are the first place I'd cut; they don't do anything to the outcome and are not that interesting to watch. I've noticed that, sometimes, the period between the end of question and time's-up signal tends to vary a bit. Perhaps someone who's been on can explain whether that's editing or based on the time it takes to open the lockout device.
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I saw an "end of round signal after clue has been read" moment on a rerun from the '80s a while back, and Alex seemed to realize that it was a weird occurrence. He said something like "Um, oops, I guess we're out of time, then?"