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Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: TwoInchQuad on December 04, 2005, 06:21:45 PM
OK, gang-- here's what it looked like on your enormous 21" RCA television, back in those days:

http://www.kinescopes.com/TPIR_clr.jpg (http://\"http://www.kinescopes.com/TPIR_clr.jpg\")
 
(And this is a true color photo, by the way-- not one of my colorization jobs.   Only about the 3rd one found, to date)

Enjoy!!

-Kevin
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: Dbacksfan12 on December 04, 2005, 07:53:47 PM
Thanks for the picture.  That really is a nice clean pic.  Don't suppose you want to tell us where you picked up the kinescope?
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: Chief-O on December 04, 2005, 08:08:41 PM
[quote name=\'Modor\' date=\'Dec 4 2005, 07:53 PM\']Thanks for the picture.  That really is a nice clean pic.  Don't suppose you want to tell us where you picked up the kinescope?
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Ehh.......it's a regular photo.

But yeah, Kevin, where did you find this?
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: TwoInchQuad on December 05, 2005, 01:59:03 AM
Actually, it was passed along to me by someone who knows of my interest in game shows and early color TV... the actual print has evidently stated to fade, as the scan I was given had a nasty color shift that I corrected prior to posting.

-Kevin
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: mystery7 on December 05, 2005, 02:10:16 AM
God, that's gorgeous. Thanks for that picture, and the restore job.
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: Craig Karlberg on December 05, 2005, 03:47:07 AM
Thanks Kevin.  I always wondered what the Cullen TPIR would look like in color.  I've seen many B&W episodes, I sometimes forget there WAS actually an episode shot in color.
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: mystery7 on December 05, 2005, 12:37:53 PM
All the NBC episodes were originally in color (the better to show off parent company RCA's gorgeous new color TVs). GSN ran those color shows from BW kinescopes. When Price moved to ABC in '63, it also moved from color to BW since ABC didn't yet have the resources for color.
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: Ian Wallis on December 05, 2005, 05:10:30 PM
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When Price moved to ABC in '63, it also moved from color to BW since ABC didn't yet have the resources for color.


Same thing happened to "Missing Links".  When it debuted on NBC in 1963, it was in color.  When it switched to ABC in 1964, it changed to black and white as well.
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: Kevin Prather on December 05, 2005, 06:58:05 PM
Wow. Forgive my ignorance, but what sort of prize went for $7,000 back in Cullen TPiR days?
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: mystery7 on December 05, 2005, 07:16:03 PM
L'see...Cadillacs...really expensive jewelry...trips around the world (jet travel was kind of a novelty 'til the 747 came out)...maybe a terribly extravagant fur.
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: Steve McClellan on December 05, 2005, 08:43:06 PM
[quote name=\'whoserman\' date=\'Dec 5 2005, 03:58 PM\']Wow. Forgive my ignorance, but what sort of prize went for $7,000 back in Cullen TPiR days?[/quote]
Unlike the present version, the original saw people bidding on anything and everything. Furniture, trips to exotic locales, paintings, real estate, any kind of car you can imagine, and at least once, contestants bid on an actual business: the person who bid the highest without exceeding the actual value became the new owner.

So, basically, it could've been just about anything you could possibly think of that would go for $40-50K these days. ;)
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: musicman on December 05, 2005, 09:02:53 PM
[quote name=\'mystery7\' date=\'Dec 5 2005, 12:37 PM\']All the NBC episodes were originally in color (the better to show off parent company RCA's gorgeous new color TVs). GSN ran those color shows from BW kinescopes. When Price moved to ABC in '63, it also moved from color to BW since ABC didn't yet have the resources for color.
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I know that B&W videotape was first used in 1956,  but when was color videotape introduced?
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: joe_capitano on December 05, 2005, 11:22:10 PM
Perhaps a year later, but what is believed to be the first major program to be produced on color videotape was the 1958 NBC special "An Evening with Fred Astaire". It's in the UCLA archives - though portions of the restored program were taken from a monochrome kinescope.
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: DjohnsonCB on December 06, 2005, 01:07:19 AM
I keep hoping a color photo of Cullen TPIR will turn up showing the double price tage title logo in which one tag looks to be a different shade than the other.  Another one from that era has slightly more stylish lettering but looks like basic black-on-white for both tags.  The two color pics we've seen so far are great, though.
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: TwoInchQuad on December 06, 2005, 01:30:17 AM
Unfortunately, the one that Matt had posted on the BC website a while back (which is the other one that I'm assuming you're referring to) was a tinted B&W shot, done for a local TV newspaper insert.  It was done reasonably well, but wasn't a genuine color shot.

On the other hand, I actually ran across two other 35mm color slide shots of the set about six months ago, which were taken by a tourist who had attended one of the NBC shows.  As it happened, though, even the better of the two was rather grainy, so that may be why Matt never used the scan of it that I gave him.

-Kevin
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: TwoInchQuad on December 06, 2005, 01:35:36 AM
[quote name=\'joe_capitano\' date=\'Dec 5 2005, 08:22 PM\']Perhaps a year later, but what is believed to be the first major program to be produced on color videotape was the 1958 NBC special "An Evening with Fred Astaire". It's in the UCLA archives - though portions of the restored program were taken from a monochrome kinescope.
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Actually, Joe, "An Evening..." is fine, and is in fact archived in both the 1958 original broadcast and 1959 rerun versions.  The subsequent 1959 followup special "Another Evening with Fred Astaire" is the one that has small patches of kinescopes inserted when the video signal was unrecoverable.

And for those who may be keeping score, the 3rd special, "Astaire Time" is blissfully all in one piece, and safely tucked away on the shelf.

-Kevin
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: chris319 on December 06, 2005, 01:36:59 AM
Man, that is shabby-ass lighting. Notice how Nipper and conetstant Vargo are practically in the dark. NBC couldn't shell out for a LIGHT METER?
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: Matt Ottinger on December 06, 2005, 11:00:38 AM
[quote name=\'TwoInchQuad\' date=\'Dec 6 2005, 02:30 AM\']On the other hand, I actually ran across two other 35mm color slide shots of the set about six months ago, which were taken by a tourist who had attended one of the NBC shows.  As it happened, though, even the better of the two was rather grainy, so that may be why Matt never used the scan of it that I gave him.[/quote]
Well, "never" is a long time, and when I only do updates every three months or so, there's a lot of great stuff that I'm finding it hard to get to!  I just got a TPIR shot (b&w sadly) that I don't think is in Wostbrock's collection (yet), as well as a radio picture I can't identify.  Plus, of course, Tim Lones went and found me an entire Bill Cullen SERIES I didn't know about...

I'm very grateful for the finds you've sent me, and VERY impressed with this new shot.
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: TwoInchQuad on December 06, 2005, 04:01:23 PM
Well, I figured you were (as  usual) just very busy, Matt-- no offense meant regarding the BC site updates, which we all welcome!!  :^)

I do feel that I have to backtrack on one thing, though... after examining your color TPIR pic a little more closely, and doing a little more careful restoration on it, I actually think it **is** a color pic that was just badly color-separated, and then printed on coarse, porous newspaper stock.  It's possible it still may actually only be a tint job, but it's got some color subtleties in it that I would only expect to see in a true color shot.  So let's just say congrats to you for finding the first one!

I'll upload the restored version of it later on tonight...

-Kevin
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: TwoInchQuad on December 06, 2005, 07:50:41 PM
...and here it is:

http://www.kinescopes.com/TPIRmatt.jpg (http://\"http://www.kinescopes.com/TPIRmatt.jpg\")

A little bit of "before and after"... just blowing away some of the dust, as it were.

-Kevin
Title: A little treat for "early color TV" fans...
Post by: chris319 on December 07, 2005, 01:22:16 AM
Excellent clean-up job.