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grimmte

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« on: September 21, 2003, 11:37:23 AM »
Greetings,

Been watching the marathon this morning, and a couple of questions have popped into my mind. Forgive me if they have already been asked.

1. When a player got a question right, the audience clapped. Sometimes the oppenent's booth came on the air before the audience stopped clapping. Is it possible that a person could tell his or her opponent got the question right or wrong based on hearing the audience clap?

2. When a player was given their money on a silver platter, what happened to them next? Escorted to a bank? Producers converted it to a cheque? Did they get to keep the bag it was given to them in?

Thanks for the info. Looking forward to seeing the Lieutenant's big win later today.

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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2003, 12:00:57 PM »
[quote name=\'grimmte\' date=\'Sep 21 2003, 10:37 AM\'] 1. When a player got a question right, the audience clapped. Sometimes the oppenent's booth came on the air before the audience stopped clapping. Is it possible that a person could tell his or her opponent got the question right or wrong based on hearing the audience clap? [/quote]
Somebody on here, correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that a contestant alleged the same scenario you asked about.  I believe she said she could tell if the opponent got a question correct when Maury began talking to her and she heard clapping and even to a degree hear the inflection in Maury's voice.  Also, I believe she said she could still see completely out of the booth.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2003, 12:01:17 PM by daveromanjr »

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2003, 12:10:11 PM »
[quote name=\'grimmte\' date=\'Sep 21 2003, 10:37 AM\'] 2. When a player was given their money on a silver platter, what happened to them next? Escorted to a bank? Producers converted it to a cheque? Did they get to keep the bag it was given to them in? [/quote]
 IIRC, nowadays, game shows do not give winners on their shows straight cash.  More than likely, those bundles were just for show, and they would take them back from them backstage, and issue them a check after their appearance.

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2003, 01:07:00 PM »
[quote name=\'grimmte\' date=\'Sep 21 2003, 10:37 AM\'] When a player was given their money on a silver platter, what happened to them next? Escorted to a bank? Producers converted it to a cheque? Did they get to keep the bag it was given to them in?

Thanks for the info. Looking forward to seeing the Lieutenant's big win later today. [/quote]
Each tape day an armored truck delivered exactly two million dollars in real cash to NBC several hours before taping. The money was brought in via the artists entrance, stored and unwrapped (plastic shrink wrap contains blocks of one hundred dollar bills) in one of the Studio 1 dressing rooms. It remained guarded by armed serious security guys in plain clothes.

When it was time for an on-camera presentation the correct amount of cash was escorted by half of the guards to one of the stage managers about 50 feet away, just behind the set, stage left. The money was displayed, presented to the contestant and immediately taken back by the guards and returned to the dressing room. The tote bag was returned to the contestant.

All game show winners receive their cash winnings in the form of a check approximately 90 to 120 days subsequent the episode's airing. The full two million dollars was picked up by armored truck at the completion of each taping day.


I have no comment regarding your other question except to say that the view from the booth was regulated by lighting conditions and reviewed at the beginning of each tape day. I can personally assure you that, at most, you cannot see past the first row of the audience's center section. That section of the audience was populated by future contestants who were closely monitored for any innappropriate attempts to communicate, and who were instructed and supervised so as not to applaud during the competition.

Maury was a pleasure to work with; nobody wanted to see the money won more than the producers; Lt. Legler and dad were very cool - perfect contestants!


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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2003, 03:07:14 PM »
[quote name=\'grimmte\' date=\'Sep 21 2003, 11:37 AM\']1. When a player got a question right, the audience clapped. Sometimes the oppenent's booth came on the air before the audience stopped clapping. Is it possible that a person could tell his or her opponent got the question right or wrong based on hearing the audience clap?

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Sure looks like it.

But that's only half the puzzle. If you know they got a question right, you don't know how many points they have won. I think that's worse than not knowing if they got it right at all (at least suspense wise)

I didn't catch this the 1st time it aired. It's not bad, but I love the comment somebody left on imdb.com:

Perfect substitute for a tranquilizer!
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2003, 03:34:50 PM »
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Is it possible that a person could tell his or her opponent got the question right or wrong based on hearing the audience clap?

According to a statement made my Maury at the top of some of the shows, the sounds of laughter and applause are heard in the contestant's headphones, so they don't know how the real audience is reacting to the ON THE AIR player's progress.

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I believe she said she could still see completely out of the booth.

You're talking about Jennifer Perfect--the attorney/caterer. I believe NBC investigated, found no wrong-doing, end of story.

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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2003, 03:38:27 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks Maury sounds a lot like Jack Barry?


21's a neat little show. Should have lasted longer.

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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2003, 04:41:34 PM »
[quote name=\'PeterMarshallFan\' date=\'Sep 21 2003, 03:38 PM\'] Am I the only one who thinks Maury sounds a lot like Jack Barry?


21's a neat little show. Should have lasted longer. [/quote]
I was not fond of Maury Povich as a host.  However,  21 was a great show and should have had a longer life on NBC.

Tim :-)
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2003, 05:35:39 PM »
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I was not fond of Maury Povich as a host. However, 21 was a great show and should have had a longer life on NBC.


   Agreed on both counts.  In fact, if you were watching the reruns on GSN today, you probably caught the episode in which a player struck out and Maury made that fact known to his opponent before he selected his question value for his turn of play.  Of course, he went for the easiest 1-point question and won the game.  (As I recall, the old $64,000 Challenge quiz show of the 1950s ended up changing hosts after their first choice of hosts ending up doing poorly in his role.)

   Sadly, what ultimately killed the revived Twenty-One was NBC's overly ambitious effort to make it a really big-money show.  They later did cut the prize amounts, but still ended up with someone who won over $1.7 million on the show -- too much for the network's budget!

   In retrospect, I think the show would have been better if they had awarded the really big money in its end game, rather than its main game.  Indeed, the show's end game was poorly executed, in my opinion, with a contestant getting its first three questions right (for $60,000) having to risk it all just for another $40,000 payoff on the fourth question, then for only another $50,000 on the fifth question, and $60,000 on the sixth.

   A better prize structure for that show, in my opinion, and which I once proposed, would be the following:

   Main game: $25,000 (all wins by all players).

   End game: 1 question right, $5,000.
   2 questions right, $15,000.
   3 questions right, $30,000.
   4 questions right, $50,000.
   5 questions right, $75,000.

   (Note that these amounts are one-half of the end-game payoff amounts the show had when it aired originally on NBC.)

   6 questions right: $75,000 plus the end-game's \"21 Jackpot,\" which starts at $150,000.

   As on the NBC version, a player who tries for and misses a question in the end-game would lose any money won in the game up to that point.  However, that money would be added to the \"21 Jackpot,' conceiveably giving that player a chance to win it all back if he or she was successful in winning the next main game.  Thus, if a player answered the first three questions in the end game and then tried for and missed the game's fourth question, his forfeited $60,000 would be added to the jackpot for the next end game, making it worth $210,000, etc.  Of course, a player can also elect to stop playing the end-game at any time after a correctly answering any question, and keep the money won up to that point -- in which case the next end game would be played with the same jackpot.  Also, the player retains all main-game winnings (at $25,000 per win), regardless of any result in his subsequent end game.


   Michael Brandenburg
   (Well, maybe if NBC decides to bring the show back again after another 42 years…)

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2003, 06:29:45 PM »
I personally think they skewed a bit too far from the original format. I personally think it should have been $2500 per point lead over opponent, with an extra $2500 added for every tie game...

Ex.: Both players tie 4 games= $10,000 per pt. lead for winner...

Final score: Player 1: 14, Player 2: 21...

Player 2 receives $70,000.

But it was an OK show, it got a bit dry on me after the 3rd episode, however.
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2003, 08:07:01 PM »
[quote name=\'whampyl03\' date=\'Sep 21 2003, 03:29 PM\'] I personally think it should have been $2500 per point lead over opponent, with an extra $2500 added for every tie game...
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 We went over the whole \"per-point\" thing on ATGS when these first aired. I said then, and I stand by it, that today's generation would be way WAY confused by the \"per point\" system, because kids these days simply don't play card games like gin and cribbage and such where they would be introduced to the \"per-point\" concept.

I am also firmly of the opinion that 21 didn't work because , while it might have been enthralling in the 1950s, forty and change years later it really is a fairly mediocre game, and NBC tried to make it interesting by throwing money at it. Hell, 21 is the damn POSTER-BOY for Mo' Money Syndrome. :)
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2003, 10:33:05 PM »
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Sep 21 2003, 07:07 PM\'] I am also firmly of the opinion that 21 didn't work because , while it might have been enthralling in the 1950s, forty and change years later it really is a fairly mediocre game, and NBC tried to make it interesting by throwing money at it. Hell, 21 is the damn POSTER-BOY for Mo' Money Syndrome. :) [/quote]
 In honor of the marathon, I watched a tape of Quiz Show last night, and it said people watch for the money.  As we have seen the last four years, that is not always the case.  While Survivor, Fear Factor, and Big Brother perservere, countless others (especially lately) have come and gone.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2003, 11:36:18 PM »
[quote name=\'GS Warehouse\' date=\'Sep 21 2003, 07:33 PM\'] In honor of the marathon, I watched a tape of Quiz Show last night, and it said people watch for the money. [/quote]
 As you know, Quiz Show says a lot of things. Some of them are even accurate. ;)
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2003, 12:05:51 AM »
[quote name=\'Michael Brandenburg\' date=\'Sep 21 2003, 04:35 PM\']In fact, if you were watching the reruns on GSN today, you probably caught the episode in which a player struck out and Maury made that fact known to his opponent before he selected his question value for his turn of play. [/quote]

And the game with Chris Franciosa in the booth, where Chris had 8 and his opponent had 19 points.  Chris chooses 10, which means he can't even tie her.  Instead of stopping the game and awarding it to the opponent, Maury reads the question.

It is rather like seeing Sonny Fox stumble through The $64,000 Challenge...

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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2003, 12:19:10 AM »
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Sep 21 2003, 07:07 PM\'] Hell, 21 is the damn POSTER-BOY for Mo' Money Syndrome. :) [/quote]
 When I'm asked what I think about \"Twenty One\" this is my answer:

Maury: \"For 6 points: What is 4 + 3 ?\"

Contestant: \"7\"

Maury: \"YOU WON $300,000 !!!!\"

'nuff said.
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