Big news on the TPIR front...

[joker316]

[quote name=\'Justin Dyer\' post=\'189896\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 03:40 PM\']
 I'm going to get flamed for this, but I always found the Big Wheel kind of boring. I always fast forward through it.

Justin
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And maybe that's part of the problem. Not so much one person FFwding, but many people channel surfing during "dull parts" of TPIR (i.e. the Big Wheel). The View is the only network competition, and it's done live AFAIK. What is stopping the line producer, for example, of deliberately putting "controversial moments" against, say, a dull TPIR game. So that something catches your eye while you surf during the dull part.

Before some of you dismiss this idea, (and to use a TV wrestling example) this is how Eric Bischoff competed with the WWE in the early days of the "Monday Night Wars".  WWE was on tape against live WCW Nitro and Bischoff would, as they said, "book on the fly", changing sometimes entire episodes to counter whatever WWE had taped.

We knew TPIR might lose a little audience with a host change (some only want Barker, go figure!). If TPTB are changing everything for that reason, they are jumping the gun!

One last question (and I could start a new thread if needed): If the show had gone off the air when Barker retired, stayed off for say two years, and came back with Drew and any, or all of these changes; would we be as up in arms as we are right now?

[DrJWJustice]

[quote name=\'Justin Dyer\' post=\'189896\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 02:40 PM\']
I rarely post here. I am a lurker. But I think a lot of the posts here are really jumping the gun. We don't know what the changes are going to be or how drastic they will be. I think people are over-reacting. I think we should wait before we panic. It's possible the changes are going to be minor. On the other hand, some of the posts here about the video wall, four pricing games, eliminating the big wheel, no contestants row, etc. may be correct. I'm going to wait for more information before I panic. I'm going to get flamed for this, but I always found the Big Wheel kind of boring. I always fast forward through it.

Justin
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Justin, you are correct that these are only rumors regarding the changes.  As I posted earlier, we've hit the panic button over this, and we do need to calm down.  A lot can happen in the next few weeks, and I reiterate that CBS ought to have some sort of power of veto here (no BB reference intended) if changes are indeed in the works.  I am also playing the wait-and-see game, but there is a relatively consistent trend of information off this board on what might be happening.  While those posts are rumor-based, their consistency has fueled the panic in here.  

If these are untrue rumors, it would be good if CBS would come out as soon as possible to debunk them.  If there is truth behind them, I do wish CBS would consult the fans over what is to come.

For what it's worth, if a massive format change is on the way, it wouldn't be the first time TPiR went through one.  Anybody remember 1972??  It survived that one.  Then again, Cullen's version didn't run 36 years, either, nor would there be a hiatus of several years between the original and Barker/Carey's version to possibly soften the blow.

[DrJWJustice]

[quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'189902\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 03:29 PM\']
One last question (and I could start a new thread if needed): If the show had gone off the air when Barker retired, stayed off for say two years, and came back with Drew and any, or all of these changes; would we be as up in arms as we are right now?
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We were up in arms over the 90s/2000s revivals of Match Game, Card Sharks, Family Feud, To Tell The Truth, and I've Got a Secret.

I suggested in my last post that time could soften the blow, and it might.  I hope we don't have cause to find out.  However, a hiatus between series doesn't excuse screwing up a format into something unwatchable.  I'd say Feud is still on because it moved back toward its roots, but look at the rest of them.  TTTT wasn't too bad with O'Hurley in charge, but -- and this is strictly my own opinion -- the celebrity panel lacked the chemistry of the Colyer/Moore/Garagiola versions.

[joker316]

[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' post=\'189905\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 04:53 PM\']
[quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'189902\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 03:29 PM\']
One last question (and I could start a new thread if needed): If the show had gone off the air when Barker retired, stayed off for say two years, and came back with Drew and any, or all of these changes; would we be as up in arms as we are right now?
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We were up in arms over the 90s/2000s revivals of Match Game, Card Sharks, Family Feud, To Tell The Truth, and I've Got a Secret.

I suggested in my last post that time could soften the blow, and it might.  I hope we don't have cause to find out.  However, a hiatus between series doesn't excuse screwing up a format into something unwatchable.  I'd say Feud is still on because it moved back toward its roots, but look at the rest of them.  TTTT wasn't too bad with O'Hurley in charge, but -- and this is strictly my own opinion -- the celebrity panel lacked the chemistry of the Colyer/Moore/Garagiola versions.
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In reading your reply, I was reminded of the fact that there was a seven year lull between the Cullen TPIR and Barker's version. And while time can soften the blow, there also were no VCRs, DVRs or GSN to see the originals long after they were cancelled. We have the ability to see the "real thing" practically anytime we want. Sort of like, if we don't like the "new" Match Game, we can still see the "old" Match game on GSN, DVD, etc. No, TPIR isn't on GSN, but we have the DVDs, our personal libraries, You Tube, etc. Please understand, I am as concerned about the changes as all of you are. I would like to know if the ready availability of "old school" TPIR may be tempering our feelings.

[Chelsea Thrasher]

[quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'189902\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 03:29 PM\']
Before some of you dismiss this idea, (and to use a TV wrestling example) this is how Eric Bischoff competed with the WWE in the early days of the "Monday Night Wars".  WWE was on tape against live WCW Nitro and Bischoff would, as they said, "book on the fly", changing sometimes entire episodes to counter whatever WWE had taped.
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And remind me again, exactly when is the next WCW pay-per-view again? TV broadcast?

[joker316]

[quote name=\'Seth Thrasher\' post=\'189915\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 05:38 PM\']
[quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'189902\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 03:29 PM\']
Before some of you dismiss this idea, (and to use a TV wrestling example) this is how Eric Bischoff competed with the WWE in the early days of the "Monday Night Wars".  WWE was on tape against live WCW Nitro and Bischoff would, as they said, "book on the fly", changing sometimes entire episodes to counter whatever WWE had taped.
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And remind me again, exactly when is the next WCW pay-per-view again? TV broadcast?
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I just used it as an example. It was a good idea at the time. When WWE went live (among other things) the ratings turned in their favor.

My point is that many, if not most, of today's audiences have the attention span of a houseplant; and if they channel surf during commercials they're probably doing it during "dull parts" of TPIR.

[rugrats1]

[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'189890\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 03:19 PM\']Don't bet either that if Fremantle tries to shop and sell the show to another network, if they disillusion CBS enough, that it'll get picked up just like that. About their only hope would be syndication...
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Though if that ever does happen, it will have to face tough competition, since TPIR would now be seen anytime during the day. The Kennedy and Davidson versions were crippled by the fact that they were limited to nighttime hours only, meaning that they had to compete against Wheel and Jeopardy, as well as Oprah (in the case of Davidson) -- as viewership in those shows were still quite strong, TPIR did not survive at night. This was the case here in Tampa Bay -- in 1985-1986, WTVT carried Price at 7:30PM, opposite Jeopardy on, at the time, WXFL (now, again, WFLA). And in 1994, WFLA showed Price at 4PM, opposite Oprah, which, at the time, was on WTVT (it's now on WFLA).

If Price does go into syndication, not only will it have to face the usual heavyweights, depending on where it's seen, it also has to compete with network soaps and Regis & Kelly, as well as other gamers such as the Feud. Price succeeded over the years, as its steady time slot and network carriage guaranteed them being at the top of the ratings. If they take the syndie route, it'll become a different game altogether -- in more ways than one.

[DrJWJustice]

[quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'189913\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 04:32 PM\']
I would like to know if the ready availability of "old school" TPIR may be tempering our feelings.
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I don't know about that, but it will keep the show we've come to know and love still available to us, if only in bits and pieces.

[joker316]

[quote name=\'DrJWJustice\' post=\'189922\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 06:30 PM\']
[quote name=\'joker316\' post=\'189913\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 04:32 PM\']
I would like to know if the ready availability of "old school" TPIR may be tempering our feelings.
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I don't know about that, but it will keep the show we've come to know and love still available to us, if only in bits and pieces.
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And thank goodness for that!

[Ian Wallis]

If Price does go into syndication, not only will it have to face the usual heavyweights, depending on where it's seen, it also has to compete with network soaps and Regis & Kelly, as well as other gamers such as the Feud. Price succeeded over the years, as its steady time slot and network carriage guaranteed them being at the top of the ratings. If they take the syndie route, it'll become a different game altogether -- in more ways than one.

I think this can be a success in syndication - if it eventually went that route.  It's still a strong show and very well loved.  It has succeeded in syndication before - granted it was a different time back then, but the Dennis James version lasted 8 years (the last 3 with Barker).  Maybe part of the reason Kennedy's wasn't successful because people knew they could watch an hour of it every morning.  Take it off the network and leave syndication as the only option and I think people will still find it.  WWTBAM is seen during the daytime in several big cities, right?  That seems to be doing quite well, after originally being a prime-time only show.  Who knows...maybe some CBS affiliates will pick it up and slot it right at 11 AM!

[JIANORAN]

[quote name=\'rugrats1\' post=\'189920\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 05:21 PM\']
[quote name=\'wheelloon\' post=\'189890\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 03:19 PM\']Don't bet either that if Fremantle tries to shop and sell the show to another network, if they disillusion CBS enough, that it'll get picked up just like that. About their only hope would be syndication...
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Though if that ever does happen, it will have to face tough competition, since TPIR would now be seen anytime during the day. The Kennedy and Davidson versions were crippled by the fact that they were limited to nighttime hours only, meaning that they had to compete against Wheel and Jeopardy, as well as Oprah (in the case of Davidson) -- as viewership in those shows were still quite strong, TPIR did not survive at night. This was the case here in Tampa Bay -- in 1985-1986, WTVT carried Price at 7:30PM, opposite Jeopardy on, at the time, WXFL (now, again, WFLA). And in 1994, WFLA showed Price at 4PM, opposite Oprah, which, at the time, was on WTVT (it's now on WFLA).

If Price does go into syndication, not only will it have to face the usual heavyweights, depending on where it's seen, it also has to compete with network soaps and Regis & Kelly, as well as other gamers such as the Feud. Price succeeded over the years, as its steady time slot and network carriage guaranteed them being at the top of the ratings. If they take the syndie route, it'll become a different game altogether -- in more ways than one.
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Maybe if TPIR switches to syndication please stay at WFLA as rugrats1 mentioned, while right here in San Francisco please air it on KGO (ABC 7) because they carried Tom Kennedy's Price is Right in 1985-1986 at 11:30am following ABC7 News at 11:00am, if this happens KGO will force Who Wants to be a Millionaire to 7:00pm following Wheel of Fortune (in which on Season 26 will give away $1,000,000 at 7:30pm), and put Jeopardy at 12:30pm

If not Keep TPIR at 11:30 am than WWTBAM at 12:30 pm, and J!/WOF at 7-8pm.

[Card Shark]

[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'189835\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 12:07 AM\']
[quote name=\'JayDLewis\' post=\'189822\' date=\'Jul 5 2008, 08:23 PM\']
[quote name=\'Casey Buck\' post=\'189821\' date=\'Jul 5 2008, 08:19 PM\']
On the golden-road thread, here some more changes that are allegedly coming:
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It bears noting that these "alleged changes" came from some one who had never posted to gr.net before and got the info from a "reliable source" in a chat room. And as we all know, everyone in chat rooms are EXACTLY who they say they are.[/quote]
That 'reliable source' is the same guy who's gotten in trouble with Roger for 'helping too many contestants' over the last few months, to boot.

However...he does have some connections with people would would be in a position to know things...I'd be inclined to believe Voltron at this point, but we have no proof, so take all of this as you will.
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These changes sans the videowall seem as likely as the famous "changes" someone spoke of on alt.tv.game-shows prior to season 28, where all 9 contestants would be called at once, but they would be called by their priority number instead of their name. Does it seem likely to you that the number of games will be reduced for more contestant interaction? Come on, how much more interaction does there need to be? Do we really need to hear the life story of every college student on spring break, every senior citizen who trecked across the country, or illiterate piece of trailer trash that wants to bid 420? No, doesn't seem likely to me. Do you really think they're going to stop using the phrase "come on down?" It's synonymous with the show title. Believe nothing until someone goes to a taping and reports such changes or wait for a press release.

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'Card Shark\' post=\'189944\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 10:18 PM\']These changes sans the videowall seem as likely as the famous "changes" someone spoke of on alt.tv.game-shows prior to season 28, where all 9 contestants would be called at once, but they would be called by their priority number instead of their name. Does it seem likely to you that the number of games will be reduced for more contestant interaction? Come on, how much more interaction does there need to be? Do we really need to hear the life story of every college student on spring break, every senior citizen who trecked across the country, or illiterate piece of trailer trash that wants to bid 420? No, doesn't seem likely to me. Do you really think they're going to stop using the phrase "come on down?" It's synonymous with the show title. Believe nothing until someone goes to a taping and reports such changes or wait for a press release.[/quote]
Adam, never underestimate the power of stupidity...especially when the person being stupid is Syd Vinnedge.

[Card Shark]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'189945\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 10:28 PM\']
[quote name=\'Card Shark\' post=\'189944\' date=\'Jul 6 2008, 10:18 PM\']These changes sans the videowall seem as likely as the famous "changes" someone spoke of on alt.tv.game-shows prior to season 28, where all 9 contestants would be called at once, but they would be called by their priority number instead of their name. Does it seem likely to you that the number of games will be reduced for more contestant interaction? Come on, how much more interaction does there need to be? Do we really need to hear the life story of every college student on spring break, every senior citizen who trecked across the country, or illiterate piece of trailer trash that wants to bid 420? No, doesn't seem likely to me. Do you really think they're going to stop using the phrase "come on down?" It's synonymous with the show title. Believe nothing until someone goes to a taping and reports such changes or wait for a press release.[/quote]
Adam, never underestimate the power of stupidity...especially when the person being stupid is Syd Vinnedge.
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True, I have underestimated too many times...like in November 2000 and November 2004. And no, I don't care if I'm banned for that comment or spend x number of days/weeks in the isolation booth because heaven forbid I offended someone with that. Do what you must.

[PIR85]

First post here...

Anyway, FWIW, we have only two weeks to find out how "horrible" the show has become.  I, for one, want to know what changes there are, if any.  Two weeks is a relatively short time to make anything drastically different.  Besides, they have just added an extra wall near the producers that resembles the turntable.  Why would they do this with 10 shows if they are ultimately going to scrap that in place of a video wall?  By the way, who will be attending the S37 premiere?