Make Your Mark Change - Good, Bad or Indifferent?

[PYLdude]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'196073\' date=\'Sep 4 2008, 06:31 PM\']
First of all...PYLdude, you just like yelling at people.  I'm not going to dignify it by trying to respond to your posts.
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Well, I'm sorry that you don't see this becoming a vendetta.

Get off it already.

[TLEberle]

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'196096\' date=\'Sep 4 2008, 07:37 PM\']Well, I'm sorry that you don't see this becoming a vendetta.[/quote]You're the one who insists on classifying it as such.

I'd also like to point out that a majority of people can be very very wrong. Many scientific developments are made because one guy thought outside the box. All it means is that they're in the majority.

[PYLdude]

[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'196097\' date=\'Sep 4 2008, 09:44 PM\']
[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'196096\' date=\'Sep 4 2008, 07:37 PM\']Well, I'm sorry that you don't see this becoming a vendetta.[/quote]You're the one who insists on classifying it as such.
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Well, when a guy is given an opposing point of view, given facts to back up why the opposing point of view has some merit, and refuses to consider it because he doesn't like the person giving the point of view to him and refuses to listen to anyone who won't agree with him...

if it isn't a vendetta, what is it?

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'PYLdude\' post=\'196099\' date=\'Sep 4 2008, 07:55 PM\']
if it isn't a vendetta, what is it?[/quote]
What it is is "not yours to name, because it doesn't involve you."

I'm fine fighting my own battles, although I don't even feel this is worth escalating to "battle" status. Fair enough?

[chris319]

Solution: Make the $500 a bonus for making 3 correct marks without making a change. Never have the contestant touch the money until that happens. Dangle it when it comes time to choose to either go for it, or change a mark, but don't let the contestant hold it until when/if its revealed that they've made 3 correct marks without changes and win everything.

That change is merely superficial. It doesn't really alter the game play nor the contestant's reward under the old rules.

[WhammyGuy28]

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'196103\' date=\'Sep 4 2008, 09:05 PM\']
That change is merely superficial. It doesn't really alter the game play nor the contestant's reward under the old rules.
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Perhaps not, but since a certain awkwardness of giving the contestant $500 and then snatching it back in the case of loss was cited as a reason for making the existing change, I thought that would solve said awkwardness.  

To be fair, letting the contestant keep the $500 solves said awkwardness as well.  This is why I said it ultimately came down to opinion of which is the best solution.

[Unrealtor]

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'196103\' date=\'Sep 5 2008, 12:05 AM\']

Solution: Make the $500 a bonus for making 3 correct marks without making a change. Never have the contestant touch the money until that happens. Dangle it when it comes time to choose to either go for it, or change a mark, but don't let the contestant hold it until when/if its revealed that they've made 3 correct marks without changes and win everything.

That change is merely superficial. It doesn't really alter the game play nor the contestant's reward under the old rules.
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But it does solve the problem (if you choose to look at it that way) of a contestant having to give money back that they had announced they were keeping a few seconds before. Even if you managed to get a clear explanation out of Barker that you only got the $500 if you didn't move the third marker and the price is right, it seemed a bit unfair.

Letting the contestant's decision on keeping the $500 stand, right or wrong, is one reasonable way to fix that (though, to some, it creates other problems.) Not giving them the $500 until they've actually won it is another.

[cmjb13]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'196042\' date=\'Sep 4 2008, 01:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'196041\' date=\'Sep 4 2008, 10:38 AM\']
Switch (delare no switch and you've done nothing.)[/quote]
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7695/failcw6.jpg
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Not as good as the first, but a valid attempt (and they are fun to do)

Screenshots from gscentral.net

[Mr. Armadillo]

Actually...looking at it in a completely different way, I think I like it.

You get on stage, and you're handed $500.  You can either keep the $500 or trade it in to (essentially) increase your chances of winning the game.  Of course, seeing as how this is The Price is Right and not Let's Make a Deal, there's some pricing knowledge thrown in as well.

If it worked for Let's Make a Deal, why can't it work for The Price is Right?  

I still don't see how this change is significant enough to get anyone worked up.  It's not going to change anything, gameplay-wise, yet it will help the flow of the game, removing the most awkward part of the game (both to describe and enact).

[Jimmy Owen]

It's a good change for the frat boyz they pick to be on the show.  What would they do with an armoire anyway?

[BrandonFG]

[quote name=\'Jimmy Owen\' post=\'196124\' date=\'Sep 5 2008, 12:05 PM\']
It's a good change for the frat boyz they pick to be on the show.  What would they do with an armoire anyway?
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Liquor cabinet?

[Matt Ottinger]

[quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'196120\' date=\'Sep 5 2008, 11:31 AM\']
You get on stage, and you're handed $500.  You can either keep the $500 or trade it in to (essentially) increase your chances of winning the game.  Of course, seeing as how this is The Price is Right and not Let's Make a Deal, there's some pricing knowledge thrown in as well.[/quote]
I think those of us who see the change as an improvement are looking at it exactly this way.  The way we see it, you're not getting $500 for losing the game, you're getting $500 in order to play the game, and you may or may not decide you want to give it up later to improve your chances of winning.

It is very much a LMAD model.  Monty did stuff like that all the time.  The enormous difference is that on TPIR, we've become accustomed to judging a performance based on whether a game was "won" or "lost".  On LMAD, you might win the top prize or you might get zonked, but there was a lot of middle ground where you'd go home with something else.  Letting a Dealer go home with $500 because he didn't want to gamble on the bigger prize was no big...deal.  But I can certainly see why people would object to letting that happen on a TPIR game.

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'196137\' date=\'Sep 5 2008, 11:04 AM\']
But I can certainly see why people would object to letting that happen on a TPIR game.
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I could too...if it hasn't already been happening for over 25 years. (See Number, Any, or Chances, Ten.)

[Jimmy Owen]

What would be interesting is if they continued the LMAD model and gave people the choice to trade in their prizes for a chance to spin the Big Wheel of the Day.  Imagine the savings to the budget!

[Mr. Matté]

[quote name=\'cmjb13\' post=\'196114\' date=\'Sep 5 2008, 10:11 AM\']
[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'196042\' date=\'Sep 4 2008, 01:42 PM\']
[quote name=\'tpirfan28\' post=\'196041\' date=\'Sep 4 2008, 10:38 AM\']
Switch (delare no switch and you've done nothing.)[/quote]
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7695/failcw6.jpg
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Not as good as the first, but a valid attempt
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Followed by the obligatory animated .gif: http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6817/3s...sfailfangl9.gif