Minor Wheel of Fortune Gameplay Change for Season 27

[chad1m]

If he's gonna stay here, he could at least sing us a round of "Take a Chance on Me."

[abba]

Ok your all right. But you never know.

[parliboy]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'220837\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 04:25 PM\'][quote name=\'abba\' post=\'220834\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 01:56 PM\']Maybe someone wants 2 guesses at a puzzle.[/quote]
First, no, they forfeited their opportunity to solve when they spun the wheel in the first place.
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For Devil's Advocacy's sake:

They also forfeited their opportunity to call a vowel when they spun the wheel.  As long as that rule's out the window...

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'parliboy\' post=\'221138\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 10:29 AM\']For Devil's Advocacy's sake:

They also forfeited their opportunity to call a vowel when they spun the wheel.  As long as that rule's out the window...[/quote]
Nice try, but huh-uh. The rules for letter calling clearly change with this space. I don't think it reasonably follows that the rules for solving could too.

[HYHYBT]

Doesn't *quite* apply, but there are times when, if it were possible to give two guesses at solving the puzzle, it'd be better than calling a letter you know is there. It doesn't happen often, but occasionally there's a puzzle where, for example, "on" or "of" work equally well, and neither the "n" or the "f" is in the puzzle otherwise.

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'221144\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 11:21 AM\']It doesn't happen often, but occasionally there's a puzzle where, for example, "on" or "of" work equally well, and neither the "n" or the "f" is in the puzzle otherwise.[/quote]
Can you cite a couple of examples?

[Thunder]

"BARREL OF MONKEYS" is a rather clear example, sir.





/You can not comprehend the trauma that I relive every day about witnessing that horrible circus accident.
//Perhaps "BARREL OF MOOCOWS" would have worked better for the premise but the joke fell flat.

[Kevin Prather]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'221145\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 11:25 AM\'][quote name=\'HYHYBT\' post=\'221144\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 11:21 AM\']It doesn't happen often, but occasionally there's a puzzle where, for example, "on" or "of" work equally well, and neither the "n" or the "f" is in the puzzle otherwise.[/quote]
Can you cite a couple of examples?
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"She sells seashells (by/on) the seashore". Just throwing it out as an example, not perpetuating either side of the argument.

[WilliamPorygon]

I recall a puzzle several years ago that listed the New York baseball and football teams:  "NEW YORK'S YANKEES, METS, GIANTS, AND JETS" (or maybe the order was different; that was the gist of it anyway).  I noticed right away that since the puzzle's only M is in Mets and the only J is in Jets, there's no way to know for certain which is which unless one of those letters had been called.

(Granted, I would have just spun one more time and called one of those letters, seeing as I'm taking a 50/50 risk if I try to solve right away and have less than a 50% chance of hitting a bad space if I spin.)

[JasonA1]

[quote name=\'WilliamPorygon\' post=\'221157\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 04:42 PM\']I recall a puzzle several years ago that listed the New York baseball and football teams:  "NEW YORK'S YANKEES, METS, GIANTS, AND JETS"[/quote]

That's a very good example. Somebody here reported an incident on the Woolery show where the contestant solved a puzzle inverse of how they had it, but it could have fit. As it was told, the contestant got credit, but it was the impetus for Chuck throwing in "remember, when you solve that puzzle, you have to say it exactly how it's up there" after the rules.

-Jason

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'Thunder\' post=\'221150\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 12:08 PM\']"BARREL OF MONKEYS" is a rather clear example, sir.[/quote]
Except if you think "BARREL ON MONKEYS" is a familiar phrase, sir, you deserve every ounce of fail you receive.
[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'221155\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 01:02 PM\']"She sells seashells (by/on) the seashore". Just throwing it out as an example, not perpetuating either side of the argument.[/quote]
Nope. You call the "O." You know it's in "seashore" (and in fact this is the fatal error the contestant made when they blew it originally; the O in "seashore" was showing and therefore they should have known it wasn't "on")) and that will answer the question of "by" vs. "on" in a hurry.
[quote name=\'WilliamPorygon\' post=\'221157\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 01:42 PM\'](Granted, I would have just spun one more time and called one of those letters, seeing as I'm taking a 50/50 risk if I try to solve right away and have less than a 50% chance of hitting a bad space if I spin.)[/quote]
Precisely so. And even that isn't necessary in the cited case because you're already on the Free Letter space, and therefore can call the "M" or the "J" with complete confidence, see where it is, and then solve the puzzle with $500 more in your coffers.

HYHYBT cited an "on / of" situation, and I would like to see some examples of those where the insertion of both words creates a familiar phrase that would reasonably used as a WOF puzzle before I'm willing to consider that as anything but an EXTREME fringe case.

(EDIT: In the aforementioned "Seashell" example, it might have been the A showing  and therefore "at" was known to be incorrect. But you get the idea.)

[Mr. Armadillo]

[quote name=\'WhammyPower\' post=\'220816\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 10:28 AM\'][quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'220811\' date=\'Jul 22 2009, 08:10 AM\'][quote name=\'abba\' post=\'220800\' date=\'Jul 21 2009, 11:10 PM\']Oh and let's say someone wants to solve the puzzle instead of calling a letter and gets it wrong, do they get another turn?[/quote]
And the reason they would do that instead of calling a letter they know is in the puzzle for $500 is...?
[/quote]
Have you seen the caliber of the contestants they've gotten lately?
[/quote]

While I hate to give this line of reasoning any credit, this weekend's rerun featured the pair of teenage girls who were so excited to know the Speed-Up puzzle, they just blurted out "SHOPPING SPREE!" when Pat asked for a letter.

With the P unrevealed.

For $6,000/letter.

Obviously, the odds of a contestant passing on a free $500 are going to be at least slightly higher than the 0 I had them at.  (Not much higher, though.)

/My face *still* stings from where my palm hit it.

[HYHYBT]

I can't think of an example, but remember not all of their puzzles are common phrases. The prize puzzles, for instance.

[Thunder]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'221159\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 05:10 PM\'][quote name=\'Thunder\' post=\'221150\' date=\'Jul 26 2009, 12:08 PM\']"BARREL OF MONKEYS" is a rather clear example, sir.[/quote]
Except if you think "BARREL ON MONKEYS" is a familiar phrase, sir, you deserve every ounce of fail you receive.

[/quote]


Perhaps the example puzzle should have been "WHOOSH".

[CarShark]

[quote name=\'Thunder\' post=\'221296\' date=\'Jul 27 2009, 09:40 PM\']Perhaps the example puzzle should have been "WHOOSH".[/quote]
And I thought the "horrible circus accident" crack made it fairly obvious, too.