CBS Makes a 'Deal' to Replace 'Guiding Light'

[Jeremy Nelson]

As long as we can get Gilbert Gottfried back for a zonk or two, I'll be happy.

[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'221841\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 04:00 PM\'][quote name=\'Mr. Armadillo\' post=\'221825\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 02:15 PM\'][quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'221817\' date=\'Aug 3 2009, 12:25 PM\']I think CBS will go for the obvious Whose Line connection, and I'm willing to put my next check on a Wayne Brady TPiR cameo sometime between Oct. 2-5. Other than that, I think the two shows' formats interloping will be slim*.[/quote]

I think the odds of Wayne hosting the 4/1 episode of Price are somewhere in the realm of 85%.
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Only if they give Wayne the six simplest pricing games to work with and lots of rehersal time.  TPIR is a lot harder for a newbie to host than Wheel or even Jeopardy! -- and even with all the experience over 30 years of hosting experience between them, was anybody really impressed with the way Alex or Pat handled them in 1997?
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Well, you're comparing apples to oranges here. They each require different strengths to host well, so a hard job for one emcee can come naturally to another. Jeopardy! requires prompt, flawless reading, all while keeping track of ring ins, and you don't even get a bell or buzzer to assist you along the way. Wheel just requires you to stay awake, Price, really, other than being a personable emcee, requires memorization of rules and blocking, and Let's Make A Deal needs a host with timing and good ad libbing skills. Quite different skill sets, if you ask me. If you were to start somebody out with 15 or 20 pricing games rather than the whole lot, I'd say Price is second easiest, only behind Wheel.

Sure, they probably won't be asking Wayne to host the show with Stack the Deck, Check Game, and Ten Chances in the lineup, but I'm sure they'll give him more credit than to stick him with One Right Price, Most Expensive, and Side By Side. I'm confident he can handle the average lineup with a little coaching.

[calliaume]

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'222007\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 05:45 PM\'][quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'222005\' date=\'Aug 4 2009, 06:35 PM\']That aside, I would think a game would work better in the afternoon, with the kids home from school.  (Do kids get home by 3 P.M. and watch game shows anymore?  We did in the '60s and '70s, but that's because we only had seven channels and I'd seen every Popeye cartoon.)[/quote]
I'm not sure exactly where it came from, but some daytime programmer a long, long time ago said that you want to put your game shows in the morning and your soaps in the afternoon.  The (now antiquated and sexist) logic was that housewives were busy with their housework in the morning, so you gave them something that didn't tax their attention, and by the afternoon, they could settle down and more closely follow the scripted stuff.
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The interesting thing was, in the early to mid-1960s -- well, start here and keep going for the next four years or so -- you'll notice that CBS and NBC counterprogrammed one another in the daytime.  If NBC was running a game show at a certain hour, CBS would counter with a soap or a rerun.  If CBS had a game, that's when NBC would run their soap.  This kept up until 1967, when Fred Silverman gave Password the heave-ho and replaced it with Love Is a Many Splendored Thing -- and over the next few years, soaps became more popular in the afternoons, using the theory Matt stated above.  Maybe Silverman himself came up with that idea.  (You'll notice, by the way, ABC wasn't part of the equation until Password was dropped.)

Anyway, this kept going for four years (including a two-year period where all three networks ran soaps from 3 to 4 -- with the exceptions of General Hospital and the male-oriented Edge of Night, none of them were overwhelmingly successful) -- until Bud Grant noticed this (along with the fact that CBS's daytime sitcom reruns were stinking up the joint), and we were off to the races.

Since the afternoon games have a history of success when they were allowed to run there -- check your EOTVGS in the 1970s, and note how many games in the top 3 ran after 1 PM... well, I really shouldn't expect television programmers to follow historical patterns, I suppose.

By the way, I'd like to thank whoever painstakingly put this on Wikipedia and sourced my website on some of the pages (of course, I couldn't have done my pages without Wesley Hyatt's book and the Brooks & Marsh tome).

[TimK2003]

I am hoping that LVLMAD indeed becomes a hit and has a long life on CBS.  

There is one thing I thought of that, for superstitious people, there is one factor that has not been brought up with the news of LMAD going to Vegas:  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but out of all the shows that were done in Vegas, no show lasted there for more than a year.  Dealers Choice was only at the Tropicana for less than a year before returning to California, and LV Gambit was in reruns going into its 13th and final month on NBC, right?

[calliaume]

[quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'222046\' date=\'Aug 5 2009, 08:20 AM\']There is one thing I thought of that, for superstitious people, there is one factor that has not been brought up with the news of LMAD going to Vegas:  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but out of all the shows that were done in Vegas, no show lasted there for more than a year.  Dealers Choice was only at the Tropicana for less than a year before returning to California, and LV Gambit was in reruns going into its 13th and final month on NBC, right?[/quote]
The last syndie year of LMAD was done in Vegas, as was the last syndie year of Hollywood Squares.

I don't mind this (even though I've never been to Vegas, and never plan to).  You want people from all over the country as your contestants, not just southern Californians.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Vegas have more tourism than L.A.?

[Mr. Armadillo]

[quote name=\'calliaume\' post=\'222049\' date=\'Aug 5 2009, 08:45 AM\'][quote name=\'TimK2003\' post=\'222046\' date=\'Aug 5 2009, 08:20 AM\']There is one thing I thought of that, for superstitious people, there is one factor that has not been brought up with the news of LMAD going to Vegas:  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but out of all the shows that were done in Vegas, no show lasted there for more than a year.  Dealers Choice was only at the Tropicana for less than a year before returning to California, and LV Gambit was in reruns going into its 13th and final month on NBC, right?[/quote]
The last syndie year of LMAD was done in Vegas, as was the last syndie year of Hollywood Squares.[/quote]
Those don't disprove his point, which was that any show that goes to Vegas dies within a year.

[rwalker]

I haven't had time to backread, but where in Vegas will this tape? Any contestant information or such would be helpful

[Ian Wallis]

Definitely a kid-friendly game show (considering a lot of us, including myself, *were* kids when it was on during its original run), but by that time a good number of CBS stations programmed the 4pm with syndicated fare.

Re. PYL, I think another reason it didn't take off at 4 PM is that by the third year, ratings had started to drop a fair bit.  You'd hope it would have found a new audience at the new time slot, but with so few stations airing the network feed at that time it just never had a chance.

[colonial]

[quote name=\'rwalker\' post=\'222058\' date=\'Aug 5 2009, 11:42 AM\']I haven't had time to backread, but where in Vegas will this tape? Any contestant information or such would be helpful[/quote]

There has been some talk about the Venetian hosting the show, since Brady has done a comedy/music show there for several years.

This article suggests that a now-dark theater at the Paris may be under consideration.  Said theater was reportedly under consideration to host the Marie Osmond talk show this fall, but Program Partners recently announced the show would not happen...

http://www.lvrj.com/neon/52572002.html

JD

[chris319]

For LMAD you don't just need a theater, you need a non-trivial amount of off-stage space to warehouse prizes and set pieces; just like TPIR but without all the pricing games and their associated electronics.

[Mr. Brown]

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'222303\' date=\'Aug 7 2009, 02:16 PM\']For LMAD you don't just need a theater, you need a non-trivial amount of off-stage space to warehouse prizes and set pieces; just like TPIR but without all the pricing games and their associated electronics.[/quote]


Sure, you don't need a theater, but it'd sure be cheaper than a studio out in Los Angeles.

Speaking of that, if they're filming this thing in Vegas, it sure makes for a lot of traveling for Mr. Richards, especially if they're going to have to rush it into production.

[Jimmy Owen]

Couldn't you do all that stuff with green screen nowadays?

[aaron sica]

I got an email back from WHP - LMaD will be airing at 3pm.

[Neumms]

[quote name=\'chris319\' post=\'222303\' date=\'Aug 7 2009, 02:16 PM\']For LMAD you don't just need a theater, you need a non-trivial amount of off-stage space to warehouse prizes and set pieces; just like TPIR but without all the pricing games and their associated electronics.[/quote]

It might be better to avoid a theater. When Monty did that season in Vegas (not sure which casino), the staging was really awkward. The cameras couldn't get a good shot, and the lighting was pretty bad. It didn't help that it appeared to be a dinner theatre.

[tvrandywest]

It will be the theater at Paris, unless something drastic happens last minute.

It has a really nice star dressing suite - two dressing rooms really at the ends, with a small sitting room and bigger room with a bar, both between the two. Many offices and support rooms, a huge green room, and two massive chorus dressing rooms, each with sufficient dressing tables, toilets and showers for a small army.

The control room will have to be a remote truck. The orchestra pit that was recently added for "The Producers" will have to be covered, unless they want to throw people off the stage as a zonk! "Last Comic Standing" and other TV shows started using the place, and it's worked well for all parties.

Randy
tvrandywest.com

[Card Shark]

For those interested, CBS has added a page for LMAD in their daytime category http://www.cbs.com/daytime/lets_make_a_deal/. Enjoy.