Picture of TPiR's new showcase podiums

[pentellit]

[quote name=\'MTCesquire\' post=\'225061\' date=\'Sep 5 2009, 03:54 PM\']I have yet to read one piece of critical evidence (hell, ANY evidence) that supports the notion that Drew played a part or was even the driving force behind the firing.[/quote]
He didn't/wasn't. (See Curling lawsuit.)

[quote name=\'MTCesquire\' post=\'225061\' date=\'Sep 5 2009, 03:54 PM\']...I just find it hard to believe that after only two years on the job, Drew has acquired as much power of the show as Barker did.  Folks are giving too much credit to Mr. Carey IMO (in this case at least).[/quote]
You're right, Drew has not aquired the power that Barker had, nor does he want it.  His focus has been the bigger deal with CBS to develop his own shows.  Hosting Price is just a part of a much bigger package.  So no, he doesn't have the power that Barker did as EP (Executive Prick), nor does he want it.  Drew just wants to have fun while he develops his projects.  But unfortunately for him, what a s**t storm he stepped into.

/Barker became EP before Wayne's death, but didn't take the title until after Wayne died because he "didn't want to do that to poor old Frank".

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'pentellit\' post=\'225069\' date=\'Sep 5 2009, 09:04 PM\']You're right, Drew has not aquired the power that Barker had, nor does he want it.  His focus has been the bigger deal with CBS to develop his own shows.  Hosting Price is just a part of a much bigger package.  So no, he doesn't have the power that Barker did as EP (Executive Prick), nor does he want it.  Drew just wants to have fun while he develops his projects.  But unfortunately for him, what a s**t storm he stepped into.[/quote]
You know, this just proves to me beyond any doubt that you'll say absolutely anything as long as it makes Bob sound bad or Drew sound good.

(Not that you have to make things up about Bob to make him sound bad...but you have a tendency to do it anyway.)

[ClockGameJohn]

[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'225062\' date=\'Sep 5 2009, 07:03 PM\']I agree on the showcase creativity though, and got tired of the variations on the same word. It was boring and uninspired.[/quote]

To be fair, the word association Showcases were extremely rare in the later Barker years.  When Stan and Adam began taking over the Showcase writing full time under Roger's direction, things were especially creative.  (Match Game, Dating Game, Shipwreck, First Bank, etc.)

[chris319]

You know, this just proves to me beyond any doubt that you'll say absolutely anything as long as it makes Bob sound bad or Drew sound good.

(Not that you have to make things up about Bob to make him sound bad...but you have a tendency to do it anyway.)

Mr. Gavazzi, please take your grievances with pentellit elsewhere.

[J.R.]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225070\' date=\'Sep 5 2009, 09:15 PM\']You know, this just proves to me beyond any doubt that you'll say absolutely anything as long as it makes Bob sound bad or Drew sound good.

(Not that you have to make things up about Bob to make him sound bad...but you have a tendency to do it anyway.)[/quote]
Do you always get this defensive and pissy when someone dares to disagree with you?

/And there's something wrong with making "Drew sound good"?

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'225076\' date=\'Sep 5 2009, 10:59 PM\']Do you always get this defensive and pissy when someone dares to disagree with you?[/quote]
When they're making shit up, yes.

[MTCesquire]

[quote name=\'pentellit\' post=\'225069\' date=\'Sep 5 2009, 09:04 PM\']You're right, Drew has not aquired the power that Barker had, nor does he want it.  His focus has been the bigger deal with CBS to develop his own shows.  Hosting Price is just a part of a much bigger package.[/quote]

See, THIS sounds much more plausible than Drew trying to do everything he can do ruin a television show, including firing people left and right (at one point, some tried to say he was responsible for Bart Eskander's exit but, of course, had nothing concrete to support the claim).  Game shows aren't the big business they once were back in the '80s, so it would make perfect sense to use the show as a launch pad for larger endeavors.  In fact, I even recall reading an article posted on here saying Drew was working with CBS to get some new shows of his on the network (*gasp* evidence to back up a statement!  Could it be???)

Clearly this is a case of some fans not liking the new direction the show has headed in, but they don't have one main person to point the finger at and blame.  Because Barker did whatever he wanted with the show, they just assume that Drew does as well and use him as the scapegoat.  We can all go back and forth till we're blue in the face about whether or not Drew's style meshes with TPIR or not.  If you want to say that Drew's hosting is causing the downfall of TPIR, fine.  He is 100% responsible for how he handles the emceeing on the air but that's where it stops.  Until proven otherwise, that's the only thing Drew can be blamed for.  Aim your finger towards either CBS or Fremantle if you feel you just have to put the blame somewhere for everything else.

[Bill Neuweiler]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'224996\' date=\'Sep 4 2009, 10:44 PM\'][quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'224994\' date=\'Sep 4 2009, 10:42 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'224993\' date=\'Sep 4 2009, 10:41 PM\']So basically, you knew full well what I was saying and were just being an ass.[/quote]Negative, Ghost Rider. I just want you to come out and say it so that if/when it's proven as hearsay, it can be traced back to a direct quote of yours and not be able to hide behind a shield of "well, I didn't say that."[/quote]
Dude, I've implied tons of times that Drew fired Roger.  What the hell makes you think I'd want to back away from that statement?

EDIT:  And y'know, the more I think about it, the more bothered I become by the fact that you appear to have designated yourself as my personal truth squad simply because I wouldn't phrase things the way you wanted me to.  It gives the impression that you've got some kind of obsession with me...and dude, that's creepy.
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sometimes, late at night, i take a long drive out to weedville and watch you sleeping...so peaceful, so angelic.  sigh......

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'MTCesquire\' post=\'225079\' date=\'Sep 5 2009, 11:20 PM\'][quote name=\'pentellit\' post=\'225069\' date=\'Sep 5 2009, 09:04 PM\']You're right, Drew has not aquired the power that Barker had, nor does he want it.  His focus has been the bigger deal with CBS to develop his own shows.  Hosting Price is just a part of a much bigger package.[/quote]See, THIS sounds much more plausible than Drew trying to do everything he can do ruin a television show, including firing people left and right (at one point, some tried to say he was responsible for Bart Eskander's exit but, of course, had nothing concrete to support the claim).  Game shows aren't the big business they once were back in the '80s, so it would make perfect sense to use the show as a launch pad for larger endeavors.  In fact, I even recall reading an article posted on here saying Drew was working with CBS to get some new shows of his on the network (*gasp* evidence to back up a statement!  Could it be???)

Clearly this is a case of some fans not liking the new direction the show has headed in, but they don't have one main person to point the finger at and blame.  Because Barker did whatever he wanted with the show, they just assume that Drew does as well and use him as the scapegoat.  We can all go back and forth till we're blue in the face about whether or not Drew's style meshes with TPIR or not.  If you want to say that Drew's hosting is causing the downfall of TPIR, fine.  He is 100% responsible for how he handles the emceeing on the air but that's where it stops.  Until proven otherwise, that's the only thing Drew can be blamed for.  Aim your finger towards either CBS or Fremantle if you feel you just have to put the blame somewhere for everything else.
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No.

I really don't understand how you get off saying something like this.  You have absolutely no evidence about anything you're claiming isn't Drew's fault, and yet you've blasted those of us who actually have connections at the show for making statements we can't back up.  How is this supposed to make any sense?

You think Drew didn't fire Bart Eskander?  Then why did a person who, as far as anyone can tell, works at Fremantle break the news on Golden-Road before anybody outside of the company knew about it by posting that "Drew fired the director?"  That sounds like evidence to me.

You think Drew wasn't behind getting rid of 3 Strikes?  Then why did he insult the game on the air on the second episode of Season 37?  Why did it not appear on any episodes for the rest of the season after they used all the lineups that had already been written by Roger?  That sounds like evidence to me.

You think Drew giving an explanation automatically makes it true?  Then why, after saying that 3 Strikes was pulled so that "we could make it ready for HD," did the game return to the rotation almost a year later with the board completely unchanged?  That sounds like a lie to me.

You think Drew respects Roger's work, like he said in his blog?  Then why, only days later, did he post about how excited he was last fall that Mike Richards agreed with everything he wanted to change on the show?  Why did he brag about his new producer, his new director, and how much more exciting everything was?  That sounds like evidence and a lie to me.

So thank you very much for your input, but I will continue to aim my finger directly at Drew Carey, because he's the one who's in charge of the giant cluster**** that the show has become.

[chad1m]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225082\' date=\'Sep 6 2009, 12:30 AM\']You think Drew didn't fire Bart Eskander?[/quote]Not when BuzzerBlog made a major retraction after learning the information they published could be found untrue.
[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225082\' date=\'Sep 6 2009, 12:30 AM\']You think Drew respects Roger's work, like he said in his blog?  Then why, only days later, did he post about how excited he was last fall that Mike Richards agreed with everything he wanted to change on the show? That sounds like evidence and a lie to me.[/quote]I respect Jackson Pollock's contributions to the art world, but I still think his paintings look like crap.

[itiparanoid13]

Before this gets thrown in my face we were not sued and forced to put up a retraction.  Susan Eskander and I have had some very great conversations, she's a nice lady, and I wanted to correct the situation because I despise having false information on my site, whether or not I wrote it.  She brought it to my intention, I felt very bad having that up there, and it needed to be corrected.  Simple as that.

[CarShark]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225082\' date=\'Sep 6 2009, 12:30 AM\']You think Drew didn't fire Bart Eskander?  Then why did a person who, as far as anyone can tell, works at Fremantle break the news on Golden-Road before anybody outside of the company knew about it by posting that "Drew fired the director?"  That sounds like evidence to me.[/quote]I thought that was called "hearsay".

You think Drew wasn't behind getting rid of 3 Strikes?  Then why did he insult the game on the air on the second episode of Season 37?  Why did it not appear on any episodes for the rest of the season after they used all the lineups that had already been written by Roger?  That sounds like evidence to me.

Then why, after saying that 3 Strikes was pulled so that "we could make it ready for HD," did the game return to the rotation almost a year later with the board completely unchanged?  That sounds like a lie to me.

1) How are you so sure it wasn't changed in a way that wasn't detectable from the audience?

2) He made fun of how long Ten Chances takes, just like he did with 3 Strikes, but far as I can tell it was never in any danger. Why kick out one, but not the other?

You think Drew respects Roger's work, like he said in his blog?  Then why, only days later, did he post about how excited he was last fall that Mike Richards agreed with everything he wanted to change on the show?

Because just because you respect someone, doesn't mean you agree with them all the time. Or even most of the time. Roger Dobkowitz does deserve respect for running the show as long as he has. I DO respect him. That's not going to stop me from being excited about changes in the future that I think could help the show appeal to a wider audience than it does now.

Why did he brag about his new producer, his new director, and how much more exciting everything was?  That sounds like evidence and a lie to me.

So...he shouldn't try to talk up the new season? He shouldn't say nice things about his new co-workers?

So thank you very much for your input, but I will continue to aim my finger directly at Drew Carey, because he's the one who's in charge of the giant cluster**** that the show has become.

...if you think it has become one, which I don't.

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'J.R.\' post=\'225089\' date=\'Sep 6 2009, 12:51 AM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225082\' date=\'Sep 5 2009, 11:30 PM\']So thank you very much for your input, but I will continue to aim my finger directly at Drew Carey, because he's the one who's in charge of the giant cluster**** that the show has become.[/quote]
Is Drew Carey also responsible for the Hindenburg Disaster, Titanic sinking, Kennedy assassination, Stock Market Crash of 1929 *and* 1987 too?

You know what's really creepy? Your obsession with TPIR with the thought that any change is a crime more heinous than mass murder and that Drew Carey is a man more evil than Hitler, Stalin and Hussein combined.
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Oh, for fuck's sake...

[chad1m]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225082\' date=\'Sep 6 2009, 12:30 AM\']Oh, for f***'s sake...[/quote]Would you watch your language, please? That's the second F-bomb you've dropped in this page of the thread (the first one later censored "in post.")

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'225093\' date=\'Sep 6 2009, 01:23 AM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225082\' date=\'Sep 6 2009, 12:30 AM\']Oh, for f***'s sake...[/quote]Would you watch your language, please? That's the second F-bomb you've dropped in this page of the thread (the first one later censored "in post.")[/quote]
Then kindly tell Mr. Raygor not to say things to me that are batshit insane.

(The first one wasn't intended to be uncensored.  I didn't realize Invision didn't do that automatically.  The second...yeah, that one was.)