TPiR: Make Your Mark retired

[Kevin Prather]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225848\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 11:14 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'225675\' date=\'Sep 11 2009, 03:52 PM\'][quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'194636\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 05:04 PM\']Perhaps if everyone understood why the Make Your Mark change was implemented, it would stand to reason why some [of us] get frustrated.[/quote]
But of course at the time, it was so much more important to play the "I know something you don't know" card.
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Let me know when you devise a good way to protect the best interests of those who work/worked at the show who may or may not provide information which isn't always suitable for the masses.
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Ooh ooh. I know. Pick me. Pick me. It's called Not Saying Anything. Saying that you know but can't share contributes absolutely zip to the conversation, so don't do it.

[ClockGameJohn]

[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'225849\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 02:17 PM\']Ooh ooh. I know. Pick me. Pick me. It's called Not Saying Anything. Saying that you know but can't share contributes absolutely zip to the conversation, so don't do it.[/quote]

Does this apply, say, when someone in the business says "Look for a big announcement coming up?"  We have quite a few respected members here who have been known to share such tidbits.

I didn't rub anything in anyone's face and more than Matt did by taking a shot at me.  He said "in retrospect this comment finally makes sense" which implies that no one had an understanding of what I even said at the time.

[Kevin Prather]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225854\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 11:41 AM\'][quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'225849\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 02:17 PM\']Ooh ooh. I know. Pick me. Pick me. It's called Not Saying Anything. Saying that you know but can't share contributes absolutely zip to the conversation, so don't do it.[/quote]
Does this apply, say, when someone in the business says "Look for a big announcement coming up?"  We have quite a few respected members here who have been known to share such tidbits.
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No, as long as said announcement does indeed come. Delaying time-sensitive information is a different animal altogether.

[tyshaun1]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225854\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 02:41 PM\']Does this apply, say, when someone in the business says "Look for a big announcement coming up?"  We have quite a few respected members here who have been known to share such tidbits.[/quote]
Difference between what you do and they do, John: They usually work in the business. You host a message board and know a few people that work in the business. Revealing Drew's flub wasn't going to help/hurt anyone, but you DID choose to play the "I'm cooler than you are" card by being vague about a situation that no one ever would've known about unless they were there.

Tyshaun

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'225858\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 02:58 PM\'][quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225854\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 11:41 AM\'][quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'225849\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 02:17 PM\']Ooh ooh. I know. Pick me. Pick me. It's called Not Saying Anything. Saying that you know but can't share contributes absolutely zip to the conversation, so don't do it.[/quote]Does this apply, say, when someone in the business says "Look for a big announcement coming up?"  We have quite a few respected members here who have been known to share such tidbits.[/quote]No, as long as said announcement does indeed come. Delaying time-sensitive information is a different animal altogether.[/quote]
How is any of this "time-sensitive?"  They weren't going to play the game again, and the explanation wasn't going to change.  It's not as though there was an expiration date on it.

[Kevin Prather]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225867\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 12:35 PM\']How is any of this "time-sensitive?"  They weren't going to play the game again, and the explanation wasn't going to change.  It's not as though there was an expiration date on it.[/quote]
Exactly. I'm saying that delaying time-sensitive info is ok. Not what Jon did.

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'225868\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 03:43 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225867\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 12:35 PM\']How is any of this "time-sensitive?"  They weren't going to play the game again, and the explanation wasn't going to change.  It's not as though there was an expiration date on it.[/quote]Exactly. I'm saying that delaying time-sensitive info is ok. Not what Jon did.[/quote]
I think you need to read your post again, then, because that's the exact opposite of what you said.

And I still don't see where the concept of "time-sensitive info" even comes into play here to begin with.

[Kevin Prather]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225871\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 01:12 PM\'][quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'225868\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 03:43 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225867\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 12:35 PM\']How is any of this "time-sensitive?"  They weren't going to play the game again, and the explanation wasn't going to change.  It's not as though there was an expiration date on it.[/quote]Exactly. I'm saying that delaying time-sensitive info is ok. Not what Jon did.[/quote]
I think you need to read your post again, then, because that's the exact opposite of what you said.

And I still don't see where the concept of "time-sensitive info" even comes into play here to begin with.
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No, it isn't. Time sensitive info refers to the "Big announcement coming soon" example Jon gave. I'm saying that's completely different.

[CarShark]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225871\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 04:12 PM\']And I still don't see where the concept of "time-sensitive info" even comes into play here to begin with.[/quote]Today is September 14. If you knew that one month from TPIR would debut a new game and said so on the board, we'd acknowledge it, speculate a bit and have the full discussion of the game October 14. That's what I think "time-sensitive" means here. But if you knew that a game was having its rules changed or was being retired today and the reason why, what benefit does it serve to have waited this long before disclosing it? It's not going to change. That's what I think the difference is.

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'225872\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 04:21 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225871\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 01:12 PM\'][quote name=\'Kevin Prather\' post=\'225868\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 03:43 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225867\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 12:35 PM\']How is any of this "time-sensitive?"  They weren't going to play the game again, and the explanation wasn't going to change.  It's not as though there was an expiration date on it.[/quote]Exactly. I'm saying that delaying time-sensitive info is ok. Not what Jon did.[/quote]I think you need to read your post again, then, because that's the exact opposite of what you said.

And I still don't see where the concept of "time-sensitive info" even comes into play here to begin with.[/quote]No, it isn't. Time sensitive info refers to the "Big announcement coming soon" example Jon gave. I'm saying that's completely different.[/quote]
I don't believe I've ever heard of "time-sensitive" being used that way before.  I've always seen it refer to things that need to happen now, not things that can't happen yet.

And I'm still not sure why this is even an issue.  When we know something that we can't reveal the details of, would you really prefer for us to stay completely quiet about it instead of making not-terribly-cryptic allusions to it?

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'225874\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 04:30 PM\']But if you knew that a game was having its rules changed or was being retired today and the reason why, what benefit does it serve to have waited this long before disclosing it?[/quote]
Well, if I've been told, "Such-and-such could get fired if this information gets out too early," then it serves the purpose of not getting that person fired.

[Joe Mello]

[quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'225848\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 11:14 AM\'][quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'225675\' date=\'Sep 11 2009, 03:52 PM\'][quote name=\'ClockGameJohn\' post=\'194636\' date=\'Aug 20 2008, 05:04 PM\']Perhaps if everyone understood why the Make Your Mark change was implemented, it would stand to reason why some [of us] get frustrated.[/quote]
But of course at the time, it was so much more important to play the "I know something you don't know" card.[/quote]
Let me know when you devise a good way to protect the best interests of those who work/worked at the show who may or may not provide information which isn't always suitable for the masses. [/quote]
"According to my eyes at The Eye, there is an actual reason to the MYM change.  I can't give specifics right now, but from the looks of things, you're probably not going to like it."

[CarShark]

[quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225875\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 04:33 PM\']When we know something that we can't reveal the details of, would you really prefer for us to stay completely quiet about it instead of making not-terribly-cryptic allusions to it?[/quote]Yes.

[Steve Gavazzi]

[quote name=\'CarShark\' post=\'225879\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 04:47 PM\'][quote name=\'Steve Gavazzi\' post=\'225875\' date=\'Sep 14 2009, 04:33 PM\']When we know something that we can't reveal the details of, would you really prefer for us to stay completely quiet about it instead of making not-terribly-cryptic allusions to it?[/quote]Yes.[/quote]
Why?  Are you really that bad at reading between the lines?  Or is it just because it's people from Golden-Road?

[chris319]

The change encourages the contestant to not switch the marker, which is a terrible move odds-wise.

But the contestant is still free to decide whether or not to switch; they simply don't forfeit the cash in order to do so.