Author Topic: Jeopardy Scenario (Read 4528 times)

Jeremy Nelson · « **on:** February 25, 2010, 02:39:57 PM »

The Double Jeopardy! round is coming to a close, and you're still playing catchup. On the next to last clue, you respond incorrectly. The leader gets it on the rebound, and then the comes the last clue, which so happens to be the second Daily Double. Correctly responding, the leader puts the game out of reach for you. During the last commercial break, the judges rule that you gave a correct response, yet the credited amount still doesn't give you a chance.

Under this scenario, you would have had the Daily Double, as it was the last clue remaining. Would the producers reedit from clue 29 onwards, or would they just bring you back to play again?

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2010, 03:37:48 PM »

[quote name=\'rollercoaster87\' post=\'236473\' date=\'Feb 25 2010, 02:39 PM\']Under this scenario, you would have had the Daily Double, as it was the last clue remaining. Would the producers reedit from clue 29 onwards, or would they just bring you back to play again?[/quote]
Almost certainly, they would bring you back, not play over. I don't know that they've ever gone back and replayed from a critical juncture, ignoring everything that happened after.

On Sony's Jeopardy board, we've debated the fairness of the one-and-only recourse being to bring a player back. There are lots of issues. On more than one occasion, they've had a problem with a FJ clue that would have resulted in a different winner, but as far as anybody's been able to tell, even in that situation the disadvantaged player doesn't get the winnings theoretically owed him, he just gets to play again. A "do-over" really appears to be the only option open to a wronged player.

Joe Mello · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2010, 04:21:06 PM »

[quote name=\'Matt Ottinger\' post=\'236474\' date=\'Feb 25 2010, 03:37 PM\']On more than one occasion, they've had a problem with a FJ clue that would have resulted in a different winner, but as far as anybody's been able to tell, even in that situation the disadvantaged player doesn't get the winnings theoretically owed him, he just gets to play again.[/quote]
Did they receive the winnings for finishing in 2nd or 3rd that day?

Otm Shank · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2010, 04:36:11 PM »

The call-back/do-over is the only remedy that could be employed with any kind of consistency. Any other remedy, such as backing up and reshooting anything other than a simple pickup could never be fairly implemented. Sometimes the fix will bring another disadvantage, like in this example, if a Daily Double was replaced with a new one for the "right" contestant to answer, there is no telling if the same contestant would have answered the original question correctly.

Also, it is hard to say that (even though it is righting an wrong) the portions edited did not affect the competition, which is the standard disclaimer for all game shows.

The do-over may still not be fair, but it is the best option available. (And it puts more control of their destiny in the contestant's hands, rather than by arbitrary decision.) And it is most certainly contained in the contestant release forms, that "at the producer's discretion .... yadda, yadda, yadda."

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2010, 04:37:35 PM »

[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'236475\' date=\'Feb 25 2010, 04:21 PM\']Did they receive the winnings for finishing in 2nd or 3rd that day?[/quote]
To the best of my knowledge, yes. More specifically, I don't see why they wouldn't. They get what they get for the game that they played, and if they're lucky and the powers-that-be rule in their favor, they get to play again.

AZAndrewG · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2010, 06:04:41 PM »

I would imagine that such a scenario as outlined above would be an extreme rarity. Normally when a question arises on a contestant's response, that normally gets resolved before a Daily Double is played. Once the Daily Double is revealed, they stop tape, research the response in question and remedy the situation before play continues.

Speedy G · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2010, 11:49:58 PM »

Don't they stop tape BEFORE the DD gets played if there's a dispute about an answer?

Matt Ottinger · « **Reply #7 on:** February 26, 2010, 12:00:06 AM »

[quote name=\'Speedy G\' post=\'236496\' date=\'Feb 25 2010, 11:49 PM\']Don't they stop tape BEFORE the DD gets played if there's a dispute about an answer?[/quote]
Yes they do, because a change of scores affects DD wagering.

So OK, fine, I imagine you could make a case that in this most unlikely of circumstances, if they caught themselves in those scant few seconds between making a bad call and revealing the DD clue, they might be able to stop, reverse their ruling, and because the DD clue had not yet been revealed, AND because it was the last clue of the round, they could go back, recreate the moment (correctly this time) and have the correct player call for the DD clue.

Once the DD had been played, though, then that ship has sailed, and the only option for the player is the do-over.

Jay Temple · « **Reply #8 on:** February 26, 2010, 12:15:58 AM »

ISTR a problem going the other way. Player A gave a response that they didn't accept. Late in the game, Player B had a large lead and won on a sizable DD wager, large enough to give him a lock game. However, coming back from the FJ commercial, Alex explained that A's previous response was correct, and he's been credited with it. Player B no longer has a lock lead.

I'm positive the above happened. I'm less than certain that it actually cost Player B the game.

TLEberle · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2010, 12:33:20 AM »

This whole issue could be solved by giving each player a red bean bag.

dale_grass · « **Reply #10 on:** February 26, 2010, 10:31:02 AM »

[quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'236500\' date=\'Feb 26 2010, 12:33 AM\']This whole issue could be solved by giving each player a red bean bag.[/quote]
Wait, a bag full of red beans, or a red bag full of beans?

Mr. Armadillo · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2010, 11:04:41 AM »

The latter.

BrandonFG · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2010, 11:27:41 AM »

See, I thought they were gonna play a game of Cornhole. ;-)

/Cornholed your mother last night

clemon79 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2010, 11:41:49 AM »

[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'236513\' date=\'Feb 26 2010, 08:27 AM\']See, I thought they were gonna play a game of Cornhole. ;-)

/Cornholed your mother last night[/quote]
At first I was like:

http://yfrog.com/cssean20conneryga6j

...but then...

http://yfrog.com/d8celebrityjeopardyjapanuac3p

TLEberle · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2010, 04:22:46 PM »

[quote name=\'dale_grass\' post=\'236511\' date=\'Feb 26 2010, 07:31 AM\'][quote name=\'TLEberle\' post=\'236500\' date=\'Feb 26 2010, 12:33 AM\']This whole issue could be solved by giving each player a red bean bag.[/quote]
Wait, a bag full of red beans, or a red bag full of beans?[/quote]Ooh, sorry, the Clue Train has already left.

Was the football metaphor that byzantine?