GSN doing new 1 vs 100...

[Jumpondees]

[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'245755\' date=\'Aug 11 2010, 05:09 PM\'][quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'245750\' date=\'Aug 11 2010, 09:25 PM\']They did in the UK (but if the One knocked out the 100 on an question they didn't use a dodge on, they could bail with the money accumulated or risk it on the last answer being right to win a £50,000 bonus).  A lot of the other European versions followed the US rules as well.[/quote]

And, well, none of them lasted very long, whereas the versions that followed the Dutch ruleset have been much more successful. many still going. I have a feeling a GSN version would be more Dutch, but I also think that having been spoiled by the big money network version it won't go down too well.

An interesting dilemma indeed.
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For me, regardless of the money setup, 1 vs 100 is a good game, which is why I played every night the XBOX 360 version, and which is why I'll watch either way.  I am of the agreement though that GSN's history of being a low budget network would go with some variation of the Dutch rules.

[Brig Bother]

Well, XBox 1vs100 was alright (I thought it did a lot right, but it did other things quite poorly), but I think losing 80-90% of players over two eight week runs (admittedly UK numbers) is quite telling.

GSN should just do a version of Everybody's Equal on the 1 vs 100 set.

[Joe Mello]

My idea for a complex, yet simple payout is this: Final winnings=Top Prize/(1+Mob left)

So if there's a $200,000 top prize and there are 79 people left, the offer would be $2,500, 39 people left would be $5,000, etc.

I think this allows for a higher-than-normal top prize while working within normal budget constraints.

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'245799\' date=\'Aug 12 2010, 10:24 AM\']My idea for a complex, yet simple payout[/quote]
I stopped reading right here.

[weaklink75]

[quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'245800\' date=\'Aug 12 2010, 01:30 PM\'][quote name=\'Joe Mello\' post=\'245799\' date=\'Aug 12 2010, 10:24 AM\']My idea for a complex, yet simple payout[/quote]
I stopped reading right here.
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Then hope they don't go with the system they use in the original Netherlands version:

Each question is worth €50,000. That is divided by the number of Mob members still in play, and that is what the player earns for each knockout (so the first question with 100 Mob members, each knockout is worth €500. With 50 Mob members left, each knockout is worth €1,000. and so on). Instead of the Trust/Poll/Ask helps, they have 3 skips, which they can only use after the first question.When they use a skip, they earn no money for knockouts, plus lose money from their bank. The first skip costs 25% of the current bank. The 2nd costs 50%, and the 3rd 75%. They can also elect to double the value of one question when they answer. It's all or nothing- they can't stop.

[clemon79]

[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'245803\' date=\'Aug 12 2010, 01:10 PM\']Then hope they don't go with the system they use in the original Netherlands version:[/quote]
I strongly suspect they won't.

[irwinsjournal.com]

[quote name=\'chad1m\' post=\'245732\' date=\'Aug 11 2010, 01:33 PM\'][quote name=\'clemon79\' post=\'245730\' date=\'Aug 11 2010, 01:29 PM\']Did anyone ever WIN the million on the original show?[/quote]Yes. I don't think I ever saw a One walk away with their winnings with less than a six-figure amount, either.
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I'll apologize in advance for this being a fairly dumb uninformed question.

In the episode cited above, what would have happened if the all of the remaining mob members and the contestant had picked the wrong answer?  No money awarded at all?

[BrandonFG]

[quote name=\'weaklink75\' post=\'245803\' date=\'Aug 12 2010, 04:10 PM\']Then hope they don't go with the system they use in the original Netherlands version:

Each question is worth €50,000. That is divided by the number of Mob members still in play, and that is what the player earns for each knockout (so the first question with 100 Mob members, each knockout is worth €500. With 50 Mob members left, each knockout is worth €1,000. and so on).[/quote]

I had to read that a couple of times to get that. I suspect Bob Saget or whoever they pick up won't have a lot of time to break that down to the viewer, and then you end up with this. Not only that, but to me, saying a question's worth 50K when it technically isn't kinda reeks of something IMO.

JIM BOB: "Hey Cletus, that Full House guy said the question's worth $50,000...why'd he only get $3,500?"
CLETUS: "I dunno...what's on Judge Judy?"

Not only that, but they had a method that worked on NBC...I don't see why they should alter it that much, except to reduce the values of the multipliers.

[chad1m]

[quote name=\'irwinsjournal.com\' post=\'245805\' date=\'Aug 12 2010, 04:20 PM\']In the episode cited above, what would have happened if the all of the remaining mob members and the contestant had picked the wrong answer?  No money awarded at all?[/quote]That's right. The official rule bible mentions this in a scenario relating to the Ask the Mob lifeline:

If The Player decides to use “Ask the Mob” and all eligible Mob members chose the same answer, The Player will only hear from the first eligible Mob member. The Host will inform The Player that the remaining eligible Mob members chose the same answer and describe four possibilities:
...
2) If The Player chooses the same answer and it is wrong, the game is over for the Player and all Mob members—no prize money will be awarded for that game.

[Brig Bother]

I was never a massive fan of the NBC system. If you get to (for example) $150k and there are still 15 Mob members left who have got to that point because they're good enough to get every single answer right, who in their right mind would gamble their entire winnings on one more question that's only really likely to offer a $10-20k return? It is generally never great design to have a structure that encourages people to quit.

And if you're in the mob, that's basically a massively thankless task anyway.

[BrandonFG]

[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'245808\' date=\'Aug 12 2010, 04:33 PM\']I was never a massive fan of the NBC system. If you get to (for example) $150k and there are still 15 Mob members left who have got to that point because they're good enough to get every single answer right, who in their right mind would gamble their entire winnings on one more question that's only really likely to offer a $10-20k return? It is generally never great design to have a structure that encourages people to quit.[/quote]
While I don't disagree, I'm not a big fan of the all-or-nothing system, esp. with life-changing amounts of money. To me, I feel that a contestant should receive some sort of reward for the questions you did answer correctly, whether it was with help or without.

Do any countries allow contestants to walk but with deducted winnings? Perhaps offer something along those lines, where you still have to answer the first three, and the deduction is based on what question level you reach, i.e. 40% after level 1, 30% for level 2, 20% for level 3, etc. Like with Millionaire, if you don't make it past the first tier, then you get nothing, and that first level would be the only safety net. At least with a big deduction, there's still a reward for the questions, but there's also some risk for playing on.

[Brig Bother]

[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'245809\' date=\'Aug 12 2010, 09:48 PM\']Do any countries allow contestants to walk but with deducted winnings?[/quote]

Actually there has been - in France, you could walk away after seeing the question and leave with 25% of your bank, with the other 75% being split between the remaining members of the mob. Although I believe the One also split his money with a home viewer as was the rage with TF1 shows of the period, and the question values started at €100 and increased very slowly, so the bank was never going to get overly massive and the top prize of €200,000 looks like it's worth going for. The Mob got to stay the whole week (it was a daily strip) as well.

As a structure I quite like that in that the utility makes the top prize usually worth going for (11 winners across three seasons, according to Wikipedia) and it enfranchises the mob a lot more (small wins granted, but more likely, and you don't get chucked out the door the first time you misstep).

I don't think this is by any means perfect, but I do think it's a step in the right direction.

[Setsunael]

[quote name=\'fostergray82\' post=\'245809\' date=\'Aug 12 2010, 04:48 PM\']Do any countries allow contestants to walk but with deducted winnings?[/quote]

French version (based on NBC rules) allowed contestants to walkaway with 25% of their accumulated winnings , should they elect to quit after seeing question/answers.

/Actually, it was more like 12.5% - since money was split with an home viewer, in traditional TF1 gameshow fashion
//AFAIK, the remaining 75% were NOT given to the Mob

As long i'm talking of the french version , it had a 100/150/200/250/300/350/400/500/600/700/1000€ chain (advance after each question) - top prize 200,000€ .  Contestants hardly achived to accumulate more than 25,000€ during their run.

Divide all values that i provided there in half - you may have a good version.

[Brig Bother]

[quote name=\'Setsunael\' post=\'245811\' date=\'Aug 12 2010, 11:02 PM\']//AFAIK, the remaining 75% were NOT given to the Mob[/quote]

The French Wiki article seems to suggest they do, but I'm happy to take your word over theirs!

[J.R.]

[quote name=\'Brig Bother\' post=\'245810\' date=\'Aug 12 2010, 04:56 PM\']Actually there has been - in France, you could walk away after seeing the question and leave with 25% of your bank, with the other 75% being split between the remaining members of the mob.[/quote]
Didn't the US version have this rule? (But was never implemented, so all mentions were edited out, IIRC)

Anyway, here's my idea for a 1 vs. 100 format:

Top prize of $25,000. $100 per eliminated mob member. The One keeps whatever money accumulated, win or lose. The next contestant is randomly selected from the surviving mob members. (If they're all knocked out, all 100 are eligible)

This way, the One can go for the jackpot with no risk/pressure and the Mob has motivation to keep playing.

What do you think sirs?