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Don Howard

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« on: May 31, 2004, 11:54:25 PM »
What game shows can you think of which, if not tampered with, might in your opinion have had a longer life on the air?
Two that immediately spring to my mind are Jackpot and Play The Percentages.
Please try to limit your list to two or three. Thank you and welcome to June 2004(almost).
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Jimmy Owen

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2004, 12:12:30 AM »
I'm not sure there are any.  Usually changes happen because the ratings aren't there, format has holes, etc.  The original "High Rollers," perhaps. "Face Lifters" seemed out of place. I'm tempted to say NYSI, because I liked the set, music, host, but there was that weird chair-turning thing I didn't like and the "letter, letter, letter" which sounded silly.  In addition, if the change is bad and the show is somewhat successful the show will change back quickly and I'm thinking of the hour-long WOF in that regard. I also think the daytime Cullen TPIR would have lasted a few more years if they hadn't switched from NBC in color to ABC in B&W.  From what I understand the impetus of the switch was that NBC didn't want to renew the nighttime show, but ABC cancelled it after a year as well.
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2004, 12:20:32 AM »
I'd have to say Trivia Trap and 2 Minute Drill.

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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2004, 12:24:30 AM »
On the Cover.  Definitely On the Cover.

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2004, 01:30:52 AM »
Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiago's change to Where In Time was it's big downfall in my book.  It's a prime example :-)
-Joe Kavanagh

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2004, 04:47:58 AM »
[quote name=\'cyberjoek\' date=\'Jun 1 2004, 12:30 AM\'] Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiago's change to Where In Time was it's big downfall in my book.  It's a prime example :-)
-Joe Kavanagh [/quote]
Yeah, switching from a geographical orientation to a historical one is asking for trouble there.  I remember both shows.  I prefer the geography one MUCH better.

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2004, 07:35:52 AM »
Break the Bank 85 is another perfect example. The Prize Vault bonus game was not very well planned. Some stunts took up way too much time to set up and explain. This was later remedied by stopping the clock so that Gene Rayburn didn't have to rush to explain the stunt, which he seemed to be explaining for the first time. Gene should've been briefed about the stunts (especially where they were located, because during the first week, he didn't know where everything was!)
Also, Gene was discouraged from trying to get laughs, and he had trouble playing it straight. If Gene was allowed more freedom, the Prize Vault round would've been far more entertaining.

Gene was fired after three months, and in came unknown Joe Farago. Joe didn't necessarily make the show any better. Shortly after Joe took over, the stunts were gone, leaving a dull and anticlimactic "Master Puzzle" bonus game where the couple tried to get as many bank cards as possible solving one last puzzle. No more playing for time, couples played for money. Also, when the Prize Vault opened, the set now looked very empty and less interesting without any stunts. Also gone was the "pause" when the couple inserted bank cards into the slot. Instead, whatever was on that card popped up on the readout right away, taking away the "suspense" of whether that card was the card that broke the bank.

Also, Bumper Stumpers couldn't make up its mind what bonus round to use, and each bonus game resulted in less money at stake. First version was having 60 seconds to solve 7 stumpers. Doing so automatically won the bonus game, but if not all 7 stumpers were solved, then a second part of the bonus game was played where there were dollar figures and stop signs. The number of stop signs depended on how many the couple did not get right. If they totalled 1000 without picking a stop sign, they won double the amount. Later, a WIN was added, and picking that meant an instant win.

During the first bonus round era, they also changed from playing one round and one bonus game to best two out of three. They probably did this so that only one bonus round was played per show, but IMO that also made the main game drag a little bit.

Later, the bonus game was changed to something similar to Super Password. One player had 30 seconds to solve 5 stumpers. Each stumper was a clue to a person place or thing. Each stumper was worth 100 dollars, and the other player was brought out of isolation and had to guess the person, place or thing for 5 times the dollar amount (Maximum of 1500 dollars)

I don't remember exactly how the third bonus game was played, but I think it involved solving 3 stumpers, each worth 400, and the couple risked the money to solve a more difficult stumper. The maximum amount that could be won was 1600.

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2004, 08:52:09 AM »
[quote name=\'whewfan\' date=\'Jun 1 2004, 06:35 AM\']


Later, the bonus game was changed to something similar to Super Password. One player had 30 seconds to solve 5 stumpers. Each stumper was a clue to a person place or thing. Each stumper was worth 100 dollars, and the other player was brought out of isolation and had to guess the person, place or thing for 5 times the dollar amount (Maximum of 1500 dollars)

I don't remember exactly how the third bonus game was played, but I think it involved solving 3 stumpers, each worth 400, and the couple risked the money to solve a more difficult stumper. The maximum amount that could be won was 1600. [/quote]
 The second season bonus round was the "Four out of five in 30 seconds" bonus, and the third season bonus round was the Super Password like round you describe.

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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2004, 09:14:39 AM »
I agree with Jimmy that typically, when a show with a decent run makes changes, they're made out of desperation and the show is on its way out anyway.  Usually, the changes are worse than the original format, but the show wouldn't have had a longer run anyway.

Don's two examples are good ones.  There's no question that the "new" formats to Jackpot and Play the Percentages weren't as good as the originals.  But it's also extremely unlikely that leaving them alone would have led to longer runs.
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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2004, 09:19:20 AM »
Classic Concentration, in regards to the main game.

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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2004, 09:49:46 AM »
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned $ale of the Century.  I personally think that this show was at its best during its syndicated run.  The big risks, the big money, the suspense of the game, it all made for the most exciting thirty minutes on television.  If the producers had nixed the idea of the Winner's Board as well as the Winner's Big Money Game, this show would probably had a longer life.  All the potential was there for this show to be a viable contender in syndication.  Tell me, did it receive a lot of promotion.  Anyone know what the ratings were like for the syndicated version?

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2004, 10:05:33 AM »
[quote name=\'sotcfan2004\' date=\'Jun 1 2004, 08:49 AM\'] I'm surprised that nobody mentioned $ale of the Century.  I personally think that this show was at its best during its syndicated run.  The big risks, the big money, the suspense of the game, it all made for the most exciting thirty minutes on television.  If the producers had nixed the idea of the Winner's Board as well as the Winner's Big Money Game, this show would probably had a longer life.  All the potential was there for this show to be a viable contender in syndication.  Tell me, did it receive a lot of promotion.  Anyone know what the ratings were like for the syndicated version? [/quote]
 I can only tell you that when the syndicated $ale premiered, only two markets in Michigan cleared it, both in prime access, Channel 7 in Detroit and Channel 8 in Grand Rapids.  By March 85, 7 moved it to post-midnight and dropped it in the fall.  Channel 8 kept it in prime access for the entire syndicated run. By that we can determine the ratings were bad in Detroit and good in Grand Rapids.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2004, 10:17:33 AM »
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'May 31 2004, 10:54 PM\'] What game shows can you think of which, if not tampered with, might in your opinion have had a longer life on the air?
Two that immediately spring to my mind are Jackpot and Play The Percentages.
Please try to limit your list to two or three. Thank you and welcome to June 2004(almost). [/quote]
 At the risk of sounding like certain lobsters, you could make a case that HOT POTATO could've stayed around if they hadn't resorted to celebrities comprising two-thirds of the teams (doing so put an end to the Seven Straight Jackpot bonus, not to mention the entire weeks of celebrities that completely screwed up any flow of the game).

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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2004, 10:53:06 AM »
My selection:

Never, Ever, EVER add celebrities to a non-celebrity game.

It never increases the ratings, nor does it improve the game any.

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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2004, 11:14:22 AM »
The bonus round end game in Caesar's Challenge.  Not only was it not better than the original, but once they changed it, there was no reason to keep that spinning cage full of letter balls on the set, which stayed up to the end.
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