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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2005, 06:49:51 PM »
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Now, the genre is in another down period (still not as bad as 1995, don't think it'll ever get that low), but give it time. I guarantee game shows will be back by the end of the decade.
I doubt it. A point I keep making here again and again is that over the past decade and a half, the networks have gotten out of daytime programming in a big way, giving back to affiliates large chunks of the daytime schedule formerly occupied by game shows. Game shows are considered undesirable by the networks because of their generally older demographics. The infrastructure that used to support daytime game show development at the networks is gone and there is no reason to reconstruct it. The entrepreneurs who used to package shows and sell them to the networks are (with the possible exception of Monty Hall) retired and their companies folded or sold, while they count their millions from their Beverly Hills mansions. The point is, in the U.S., the game show business is a mere shadow of its 1980s-era self.

Nowadays producers would just as soon hire a hack comedian or actor to emcee a game show, making discoveries such as Tom Bergeron much more the exception than the rule. Consider also that for every Tom Bergeron or Richard Karn who emcees a legacy show, there is a Peter Marshall or Richard Dawson who is being displaced. Look at it this way: I'm thinking of a very well-known, seasoned veteran emcee. He is one of the best in the field, but he hasn't emceed a game show in decades. On the day he taped the final episode of the last game show he did, he had no idea there would be no further work coming his way. Imagine waking up one day two, three or five years down the line while someone else is doing the show you used to do and thinking to yourself, "Gee, I guess I'm retired".

No one should aspire specifically to be a game show emcee. If you have the itch to be an on-air performer, consider some genre other than game shows such as news or radio. If a game show comes your way, whether it be a national gig or a local cable deal, consider yourself lucky.

Now here's Randy West to tell you how hard that end of the business is ...
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But before one of the guys I look up to as an aspiring broadcaster, Mr. West,  does offer his words of wisdom...just wanna point out you're dead on, Chris.  I mean how many of the game show emcees you see on classic game shows grew up saying, "You know what, I think I wanna be a game show host!"...few if any.  I mean if you look down the lines they were actors, comedians, newscasters, and weathermen and a game show happened to fall in their lap.  On the Yahoo group I use to run I made it a point to include clips of game show personalities before they were stars like Rod Roddy on the radio in 1960 and a pre-Match Game Gene Rayburn on Monitor.  And, while I think I have a decent format for a game show (note the website in the sig), I fully realize it probably will never go network let alone syndicated.  And as much as I wanna take the reins of Price when the dreaded day of Bob's departure be it retirement or untimely death comes (which I hope doesn't happen for years of course, since I love Bob's work), I realize the chances are better of winning as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.  And, the same goes for being a contestant.  Some people put on a great act to get to become a contestant, and if you're a good actor than you can exude what is needed to impress Stan Blits and Fingers Greco and the other contestant coordinator types at Studio 33 in Hollywood.  If you have the brains, more power to you.  If not, don't shoot yourself or commit suicide.  Life isn't all about game shows.  Just like how life isn't all about sports (unless you're a Philly sports fan, lol).  Make the best of where life takes you.  I'm trying to, and I know we all can.
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2005, 07:15:49 PM »
[quote name=\'Sonic Whammy\' date=\'Jul 18 2005, 01:36 PM\']I don't know, you tell me if I'm going nuts, cuz it's all eating me alive.
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It's just me, but I have several more pressing issues to think about rather than gameshows right now.

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I'm thinking of a very well-known, seasoned veteran emcee. He is one of the best in the field, but he hasn't emceed a game show in decades.
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2005, 07:19:01 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2005, 08:14:29 PM »
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Now, the genre is in another down period (still not as bad as 1995, don't think it'll ever get that low), but give it time. I guarantee game shows will be back by the end of the decade.
I doubt it. A point I keep making here again and again is that over the past decade and a half, the networks have gotten out of daytime programming in a big way, giving back to affiliates large chunks of the daytime schedule formerly occupied by game shows.
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I meant that syndicated shows would make a comeback, in a few years. Until 2008, we do at least have four shows remaining in syndication, with Feud and Millionaire being renewed thru 08, and I think Wheel and J! even longer. I think sooner or later, we'll start seeing 2002-03 numbers (8 syndie shows that season), hopefully if Deal or No Deal and Win KenJen's Money* take off. But hell, I'm just the eternal optimist. ;-) I do agree with you on the whole daytime thing. If it were meant to be, daytime shows would've been back way before 11 years passed.

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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2005, 08:44:23 PM »
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The bottom line is, if you want to get on a game show badly enough, you can do it. You've just got to give the contestant coordinators what they want.

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Or you can hope either syndie or a return of primetime WWTBAM goes back to using the phone game to find contestants.

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2005, 09:40:52 PM »
[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Jul 18 2005, 03:49 PM\']I realize the chances are better of winning as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. 
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Incidentally, if anyone should come across an ass-kicking contest, please let me know, as I would like to enter. :)
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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2005, 09:50:28 PM »
I got rejected from Millionaire too last week, but I found out I was invited for KJ run through on Tuesday.  I have been rejected many times too, but something eventually has to give...

Brian, you were accepted to play against Jason Block on the radio IIRC, that is something.  I realize my limitations as well and accept them.
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2005, 10:14:21 PM »
[quote name=\'clemon79\' date=\'Jul 18 2005, 09:40 PM\'][quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Jul 18 2005, 03:49 PM\']I realize the chances are better of winning as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. 
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Incidentally, if anyone should come across an ass-kicking contest, please let me know, as I would like to enter. :)
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I thought you disqualified yourself from most ass-kicking contests when you turned pro. :-)

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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2005, 10:35:53 PM »
[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Jul 18 2005, 05:49 PM\']how many of the game show emcees you see on classic game shows grew up saying, "You know what, I think I wanna be a game show host!"...few if any.
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Just two cross my mind. Marc Summers and Bob Goen.
Interesting thing (to me). Forever, I wanted to be an emcee so I got into radio to work on my live working without a net audience participation skills. I love radio so much I don't care if an emcee job (at no matter what level) comes my way. I'm perfectly happy to be out of the central spotlight and serve as announcer for various regional productions and the upcoming GSC-4 during Travis' Price Is Right opening night presentation.
Even if a show did come back, most likely it would be picked apart and spat out like George Bush, Sr.'s broccoli. Had this group been around in 1984, it is wondered how Jeopardy! and Alex Trebek might have been shredded.

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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2005, 10:40:08 PM »
[quote name=\'Don Howard\' date=\'Jul 18 2005, 09:35 PM\'][quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Jul 18 2005, 05:49 PM\']how many of the game show emcees you see on classic game shows grew up saying, "You know what, I think I wanna be a game show host!"...few if any.
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Just two cross my mind. Marc Summers and Bob Goen.
Interesting thing (to me). Forever, I wanted to be an emcee so I got into radio to work on my live working without a net audience participation skills. I love radio so much I don't care if an emcee job (at no matter what level) comes my way. I'm perfectly happy to be out of the central spotlight and serve as announcer for various regional productions and the upcoming GSC-4 during Travis' Price Is Right opening night presentation.
Even if a show did come back, most likely it would be picked apart and spat out like George Bush, Sr.'s broccoli. Had this group been around in 1984, it is wondered how Jeopardy! and Alex Trebek might have been shredded.
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Not sure why, but your wit seems to remind me of Bill Rafferty or Pat Sajak. I guess it's a dry wit. Just don't mention dual implications.
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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2005, 09:10:43 AM »
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how many of the game show emcees you see on classic game shows grew up saying, "You know what, I think I wanna be a game show host!"...few if any.

Just two cross my mind. Marc Summers and Bob Goen.


What about Rob Weller?

Anyway, I'd really like to get on a game show and have tried to get on a couple that taped near where I live.  Unfortunatly I didn't make it.  I figure my best shot now would be "Price is Right", but since I live in the Northeast planning a trip out to LA at a time when they're taping requires a lot of work.  I've got to get vacation time, my wife has to get the same time, we've got to plan for a flight, book a hotel room, etc. ...and it's expensive travelling by air.

I always thought I'd be great for "Rock N Roll Jeopardy", but that's not taping any more.  Plus, if I really had tried to get on it, I'd have to probably make at least two trips to LA (one for the audition, the other for the taping) with no guarantees.

We're planning a trip to San Francisco this summer, since "Price" isn't taping when we have our vacation time; but in another year or so I'm going to try to make it to studio 33 - and hopefully get called to "come on down!"  Even if I don't, it will still be good going to a taping and seeing my second major game show in person!
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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2005, 11:23:40 AM »
Well that still sort of proves my point.  There are always exceptions to the rule.  Marc and Bob may well be exceptions to the rule, and they were solid game show hosts.  But, again most of them got their start as a radio personality or a comedian and such and they were given an opportunity to host a game show.

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« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2005, 12:14:18 PM »
[quote name=\'FOXSportsFan\' date=\'Jul 19 2005, 10:23 AM\']Well that still sort of proves my point.  There are always exceptions to the rule.  Marc and Bob may well be exceptions to the rule, and they were solid game show hosts.  But, again most of them got their start as a radio personality or a comedian and such and they were given an opportunity to host a game show.
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Marc and Bob also did other things before game shows.  Marc was a magician and warmed up sitcom audiences (as I saw him do in 1979 before "Alice").  Bob did news anchoring.  All of the best hosts were all-around broadcasters or good comedians or entertainers, not just game show hosts.

And everyone's right.  The cycle will come around again, perhaps not like it was in the old days and perhaps not with the panache of the old shows, but game shows will have a boom period again eventually.  Nothing goes away completely.

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« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2005, 01:07:12 PM »
I'm not as optimistic.  TPIR is to daytime game shows what "Gunsmoke" was to TV westerns and Carol Burnett was to variety shows.  Once TPIR is gone, there will never be another daytime network game.  The new games that are launched in prime, syndication or cable will have to be filled with irony to attract a fickle audience or be spoofs to even make it on the air.
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« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2005, 01:12:21 PM »
In regards to the death knell of game shows, things are indeed cyclical, but by the same token the apt analysis of Gunsmoke is par for the course.  Unless you wanna count Walker, Texas Ranger (which is a stretch), we haven't seen a successful western in decades.  Some genres die, others matriculate while being on life support.  Game shows are the latter.  With GSN there will seemingly always be an avenue for the format (whether you want to believe it or not with the current primetime offerings).  Game shows will probably never be killed off completely, but when Bob retires or makes that one overbid that is inevitable, Price will be the last show of its niche, the daytime network offering.